Non graphics card gaming pc

[Bradish06]

This is my first time building a pc and I have some questions.

1) is there anything I should change or add to my part list. 

2) can I overclock my 2400g to 3.9 ghz and igpu to 1600mhz with the stock wraith spire cooler? If not what is a cooler I can use to do that. 

here is my pc part picker link of my components: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Bradish06/saved/PhCNNG

 

Thanks in advance

[Jurrunio]

gpu is not the same as graphics card. your build doesnt have a graphics card, but it still has a GPU (otherwise it wont drive anyway displays).

 

1. Crap motherboard, you wont be overclocking the 2400g without blowing up the VRMs (specifically the SoC part which powers the integrated graphics). You'd at least want a heatsink on top of the SoC VRMs. Asrock AB350M Pro4 is a much better motherboard in that case and cheaper ($50), though if you have to stick with red color theme then it's the Asrock Fatality K4.

 

PSU is also meh. EVGA only makes 1 good 80+ Bronze PSU, which is the B2. The rest varies from bad to horrible (unless you go on or above 750w, which is overkill). The cooler master Masterwatt 550w 80+ Bronze is a much better choice.

 

NZXT S340 doesnt have much airflow, so dont expect the best of cooling from it.

 

There are good SSDs with double the capacity for 50% extra price

 

Since I'm recommended 4 DIMM slot motherboards, I'd also recommend using 2x4gb high frequency memory kit if you have to cut cost somewhere. Adding another 2x4 kit is doable.

 

2. Yes you can, though it might get noisy depending on how much voltage you use.

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, Bradish06 said:

 

Very misplaced budget, you can easily get at least a GTX 1050ti in there

 

The only reason you'd want to use an APU at that budget is if you wanted an ITX system so small you couldn't fit a GPU.

 

Fixed everything just use whatever mouse/keyboard you can find for the time being until you can buy this kit
https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Microphone-Redragon-Switches/dp/B06ZYH9WB5/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1525560837&sr=8-4&keywords=Redragon

You don't need to buy windows you can install it for free, just use their media creation tool

*I only suggest the R7 1700 due to how cheap it is
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMpMFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMpMFt/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($211.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($158.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($33.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($136.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $909.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-23 22:30 EDT-0400

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - H310M A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($55.47 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Vulcan 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Inland - Professional 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4GB AORUS 4G Video Card  ($239.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: SAMA - Maxcool-BK-15LEDLight MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($46.20 @ Newegg Business) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: AOC - G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Keyboard: Redragon - S101 Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $860.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-23 22:37 EDT-0400

get os from reddit for $25.

[Bradish06]

36 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

gpu is not the same as graphics card. your build doesnt have a graphics card, but it still has a GPU (otherwise it wont drive anyway displays).

 

1. Crap motherboard, you wont be overclocking the 2400g without blowing up the VRMs (specifically the SoC part which powers the integrated graphics). You'd at least want a heatsink on top of the SoC VRMs. Asrock AB350M Pro4 is a much better motherboard in that case and cheaper ($50), though if you have to stick with red color theme then it's the Asrock Fatality K4.

 

PSU is also meh. EVGA only makes 1 good 80+ Bronze PSU, which is the B2. The rest varies from bad to horrible (unless you go on or above 750w, which is overkill). The cooler master Masterwatt 550w 80+ Bronze is a much better choice.

 

NZXT S340 doesnt have much airflow, so dont expect the best of cooling from it.

 

There are good SSDs with double the capacity for 50% extra price

 

Since I'm recommended 4 DIMM slot motherboards, I'd also recommend using 2x4gb high frequency memory kit if you have to cut cost somewhere. Adding another 2x4 kit is doable.

 

2. Yes you can, though it might get noisy depending on how much voltage you use.

Is a b350 tomahawk from msi a better choice and will the vrms overheat

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

Is a b350 tomahawk from msi a better choice and will the vrms overheat

it will overheat. that 'heatsink' is more like a heat trap when there's so little surface area.

[hazeyez]

1 hour ago, Bradish06 said:

This is my first time building a pc and I have some questions.

1) is there anything I should change or add to my part list. 

2) can I overclock my 2400g to 3.9 ghz and igpu to 1600mhz with the stock wraith spire cooler? If not what is a cooler I can use to do that. 

here is my pc part picker link of my components: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Bradish06/saved/PhCNNG

 

Thanks in advance

@Bradish06 Why wouldn't you want a GPU at that price point?

 

Look at this $600 build I have:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-8100 Coffee Lake 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 Boxed Processor ($109.99)
COOLER: Cooler Master Blizzard T400i - CPU Cooler with XtraFlo 120 "Fire Red" LED PWM Fan ($28.99)
MOBO: ASUS ROG STRIX B360-G GAMING LGA 1151 mATX Intel Motherboard ($79.99)
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB 2 x 4GB DDR4-2400 PC4-19200 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit ($79.99)
HDD: WD Blue Mainstream 1TB 7200RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive ($39.99)
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1050 Ti CERBERUS-GTX1050TI-O4G 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card ($199.99)
CHASSIS: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 Micro Center Version ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - Black w/ Red ($37.99)
PSU: EVGA 450 BT 100-BT-0450-K1 450W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non-Modular Active PFC Power Supply ($24.99)
Total: $601.92
 

That is a beautiful gaming PC and you're getting 3.6GHz w/ 4 cores, plus the GPU - no need to overclock and you will get a standard 60 FPS on most games.

 

With the additional cash you have to spend, you can easily upgrade to a GTX 1060 6gb GPU, and/or even 16gb of RAM instead of 8gb.

 

Are you adamant on having a build without a GPU? Or do you just think you can't afford one at that price?

 

 

[Bradish06]

30 minutes ago, hazeyez said:

@Bradish06 Why wouldn't you want a GPU at that price point?

 

Look at this $600 build I have:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-8100 Coffee Lake 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 Boxed Processor ($109.99)
COOLER: Cooler Master Blizzard T400i - CPU Cooler with XtraFlo 120 "Fire Red" LED PWM Fan ($28.99)
MOBO: ASUS ROG STRIX B360-G GAMING LGA 1151 mATX Intel Motherboard ($79.99)
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB 2 x 4GB DDR4-2400 PC4-19200 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit ($79.99)
HDD: WD Blue Mainstream 1TB 7200RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive ($39.99)
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1050 Ti CERBERUS-GTX1050TI-O4G 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card ($199.99)
CHASSIS: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 Micro Center Version ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - Black w/ Red ($37.99)
PSU: EVGA 450 BT 100-BT-0450-K1 450W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non-Modular Active PFC Power Supply ($24.99)
Total: $601.92
 

That is a beautiful gaming PC and you're getting 3.6GHz w/ 4 cores, plus the GPU - no need to overclock and you will get a standard 60 FPS on most games.

 

With the additional cash you have to spend, you can easily upgrade to a GTX 1060 6gb GPU, and/or even 16gb of RAM instead of 8gb.

 

Are you adamant on having a build without a GPU? Or do you just think you can't afford one at that price?

 

 

Well I’m trying to stay cheap so I decided not to spend money on a GPU when I can get an apu. And I have made some changes since I took away an ssd and  my ram kit should be 100 but it is out of stock

[hazeyez]

1 minute ago, Bradish06 said:

Well I’m trying to stay cheap so I decided not to spend money on a GPU when I can get an apu. And I have made some changes since I took away an ssd and  my ram kit should be 100 but it is out of stock

@Bradish06 What is your budget exactly? 

[Bradish06]

37 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it will overheat. that 'heatsink' is more like a heat trap when there's so little surface area.

Sorry to keep bothering you but what about the MSI b350 gaming plus. If not I will go with the Asrock flatl k4. Thanks so much for your help.

[Bradish06]

2 minutes ago, hazeyez said:

@Bradish06 What is your budget exactly? 

For the pc under 700 total gaming setup under 900

[Bradish06]

Update I have added a gtx 1050 and swapped my ryzen 5 2400g for a ryzen 3 1200

[Schraufabagel]

2 hours ago, Bradish06 said:

This is my first time building a pc and I have some questions.

1) is there anything I should change or add to my part list. 

2) can I overclock my 2400g to 3.9 ghz and igpu to 1600mhz with the stock wraith spire cooler? If not what is a cooler I can use to do that. 

here is my pc part picker link of my components: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Bradish06/saved/PhCNNG

 

Thanks in advance

If you're spending this much anyways, I would try to rework your spending to fit a gtx 1050ti or a rx560

[hazeyez]

25 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

For the pc under 700 total gaming setup under 900

@Bradish06 Look at what I have here for $900 -

 

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($168.30 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Enermax - ETS-N30R-HE 55.4 CFM CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($120.32 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 560 - 896 4GB Video Card  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: AOC - G2460VQ6 24.0" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $868.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-24 00:00 EDT-0400

 

and this build will allow you to:

 

1) Overclock - which it seems you are looking to do

2) 75hz 24" gaming monitor 

3) Leaves about $35 for keyboard/mouse combo - consider something like the cooler master devastator combo

 

The problem with your budget is you have to sacrifice. HOWEVER - for a $900 complete build budget I do not think you should be sacrificing a GPU. TRUST ME

 

The above build utilizes the RX 560 4gb which is not a bad entry level GPU, you well get a solid frame rate for gaming for sure. Look at benchmarks on you tube.

 

The build does not have a 1tb HDD, but you got a 250gb 6gb/sec SATA SSD - you can't go wrong with that, it will improve your overall windows & gaming load times - and you will not use up 250gb quickly. You will have time to upgrade.

 

That case - was just released last week. You can't go wrong it's beautiful. You will need some money for fans. If you want to be fancy for $99 they have the same case with a manual RGB & Fan controller - the NZXT H500i. Either way you will need to spend about $25 on two intake fans.

 

The problem with your build is that you're talking about over clocking - and you have no AIO. If you're serious about OC'ing - then spend $60 on a 120mm AIO you won't regret it.

 

However, you don't need to overclock. You don't need a fancy processor with 6 cores and 6+ threads. Consider this:

 

Take that i3-8350k which runs at 4.0GHz, or the i3-8100 which is 3.6GHz for $109 (in that $600 build I posted) both are great for what you're trying to do (entry level gaming and get at least 60fps).... you put the extra money in a better GPU like the GTX 1060 6gb - which I have. I don't OC and with that GPU I average over 100 FPS all on MAX settings - no lie. You don't need to OC.. put the extra money in that GPU and maybe get 16gb RAM instead of 8gb. 

 

What do you think?

[hazeyez]

@Bradish06

 

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($118.69 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX B360-G GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($99.83 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($63.41 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake - Smart 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($35.39 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: AOC - G2460VQ6 24.0" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $902.28
 

^^ I don't think you can get much better than that for $800 and wanting to game, and have a monitor included.

 

75hz monitor, 1080p resolution - the gtx 1060 6gb GPU

 

However, you see you're at $900 and you will have to get a keyboard/mouse ($30-$40), you will have to get fans - ($25 for 2x intake 120mm) and you will have to get windows... download a trial and you can buy a key online for windows 10 pro for about $40. I shouldn't tell you that though.

 

So to keep it at $900 and have all that, you'll have to go with 8gb RAM instead of 16gb - which is fine.+

 

Again, look at my build - quad core, 3.8GHz not OC'ed - I put the GTX 1060 6gb in it and I get anywhere from 60-100+ FPS depending on the game, all with 8gb RAM. 

 

 

[Streetguru]

24 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

Update I have added a gtx 1050 and swapped my ryzen 5 2400g for a ryzen 3 1200

You can get an R7 1700 with a GTX 1050ti for that kind of budget

 

 

2 hours ago, Streetguru said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMpMFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMpMFt/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($211.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($158.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($33.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($136.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $909.71

 

[Bradish06]

42 minutes ago, Schraufabagel said:

If you're spending this much anyways, I would try to rework your spending to fit a gtx 1050ti or a rx560

I added in a 1050 thanks for the suggestion

[Bradish06]

43 minutes ago, hazeyez said:

@Bradish06 Look at what I have here for $900 -

 

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($168.30 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Enermax - ETS-N30R-HE 55.4 CFM CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($120.32 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 560 - 896 4GB Video Card  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: AOC - G2460VQ6 24.0" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($129.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $868.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-24 00:00 EDT-0400

 

and this build will allow you to:

 

1) Overclock - which it seems you are looking to do

2) 75hz 24" gaming monitor 

3) Leaves about $35 for keyboard/mouse combo - consider something like the cooler master devastator combo

 

The problem with your budget is you have to sacrifice. HOWEVER - for a $900 complete build budget I do not think you should be sacrificing a GPU. TRUST ME

 

The above build utilizes the RX 560 4gb which is not a bad entry level GPU, you well get a solid frame rate for gaming for sure. Look at benchmarks on you tube.

 

The build does not have a 1tb HDD, but you got a 250gb 6gb/sec SATA SSD - you can't go wrong with that, it will improve your overall windows & gaming load times - and you will not use up 250gb quickly. You will have time to upgrade.

 

That case - was just released last week. You can't go wrong it's beautiful. You will need some money for fans. If you want to be fancy for $99 they have the same case with a manual RGB & Fan controller - the NZXT H500i. Either way you will need to spend about $25 on two intake fans.

 

The problem with your build is that you're talking about over clocking - and you have no AIO. If you're serious about OC'ing - then spend $60 on a 120mm AIO you won't regret it.

 

However, you don't need to overclock. You don't need a fancy processor with 6 cores and 6+ threads. Consider this:

 

Take that i3-8350k which runs at 4.0GHz, or the i3-8100 which is 3.6GHz for $109 (in that $600 build I posted) both are great for what you're trying to do (entry level gaming and get at least 60fps).... you put the extra money in a better GPU like the GTX 1060 6gb - which I have. I don't OC and with that GPU I average over 100 FPS all on MAX settings - no lie. You don't need to OC.. put the extra money in that GPU and maybe get 16gb RAM instead of 8gb. 

 

What do you think?

I like your ideas thank you

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

I added in a 1050 thanks for the suggestion

Msi b350 gaming plus is good enough for 1200, but 2200g is better becuse it cost closely, but has noticeably higher resale value.

 

As other have said, you could do a lot more with this budget. I think you prefer to use as little as possible?

45 minutes ago, hazeyez said:

What do you think?

Stop using crap PSUs.

[Bradish06]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Msi b350 gaming plus is good enough for 1200, but 2200g is better becuse it cost closely, but has noticeably higher resale value.

 

As other have said, you could do a lot more with this budget. I think you prefer to use as little as possible?

Stop using crap PSUs.

I took your suggestion in using the cooler master master watt power supply and I am now using the ASRock k4 mother board and a gtx 1050 sc. Your suggestions have really made me work my budget better here is a updated pc part picker list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

I took your suggestion in using the cooler master master watt power supply and I am now using the ASRock k4 mother board and a gtx 1050 sc. Your suggestions have really made me work my budget better here is a updated pc part picker list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ 

This isnt the link. The correct one is called the 'permalink'

[Bradish06]

11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

This isnt the link. The correct one is called the 'permalink'

Here it is sorry about that https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qxWw3b

[Schraufabagel]

21 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

I added in a 1050 thanks for the suggestion

Nice, the 1050 will serve you well for boosting graphic ability slightly. The raven ridge integrated graphics are still very good though, but they still haven't surpassed most entry level dedicated gpu's

[Bradish06]

2 minutes ago, Schraufabagel said:

Nice, the 1050 will serve you well for boosting graphic ability slightly. The raven ridge integrated graphics are still very good though, but they still haven't surpassed most entry level dedicated gpu's

Considering a raven ridge APU is like 1030 graphics I think the 1050 is the better choice if my budget can allow it

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Bradish06 said:

Here it is sorry about that https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qxWw3b

The 256GB Adata SU800 SSD cost just as much as your HDD, and is much faster making it a much better boot drive. Adding in a HDD as mass storage is much easier than adding in an SSD and make it the boot drive.