GPU and CPU cooler questions (i7-8700k, 1080/1070Ti)

[D1Wolfgang]

Hello!

I'm building a gaming computer and have most of the parts planned already. Here is my list 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcCBq4
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcCBq4/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Universal 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.95 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($162.20 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($599.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Mesh White ATX Mid Tower Case  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($81.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1744.09

Small additions: Thermal paste (could use suggestions) and a PCIe riser cable to vertically mount 

 

I'm thinking of using a Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B instead of the Cryorig R1 Universal to save money, and because I think they'd both work at about the same performance. I would like to overclock a bit. Just for fun 

 

I'm really having trouble deciding between graphics cards. I have a 1080p monitor (144Hz). I know that the GTX 1080 is overkill for that, but I want to play games to their best with good frames, and eventually use dual monitors. I also know that the 1070Ti is good for 1080p gaming, but I don't know if it is as good with dual monitors, or as future proof. I chose the CPU because I'll be streaming, fyi.

 

To summarize: I need help determining which CPU cooler to use on an OC'ed i7-8700k. I'm also open to a Ryzen 7 2700x if you think it'd be better for streaming, or an i5-8600k if you think it'd be better.

 

I also want to know which GPU would be 1) more future proof 2) dual monitor capable 3) be able to play games maximized while streaming, the 1080 or the 1070ti. I could also use thermal paste/(200mm) PCIe riser cable suggestions 

 

Thanks in advance! 

 

P.S. Why, whenever I try to change a sentence, do the letters get replaced? I just want to type normally! Aaargh! 

 

[Jurrunio]

If you change to the Scythe Mugen 5, add a fan to its back for a push pull configuration.

 

1070ti is just 5% behind the 1080 clock for clock, so get the cheaper card. If the 1070ti is not good enough sometime in the future, so is the 1080.

 

stick to 8700k, or else get 8700 so cooler and motherboard can be cheap. 8600k could hit your frame rates noticeably in streaming.

[D1Wolfgang]

20 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If you change to the Scythe Mugen 5, add a fan to its back for a push pull configuration.

 

1070ti is just 5% behind the 1080 clock for clock, so get the cheaper card. If the 1070ti is not good enough sometime in the future, so is the 1080.

 

stick to 8700k, or else get 8700 so cooler and motherboard can be cheap. 8600k could hit your frame rates noticeably in streaming.

Very helpful! Thank you!

 

Any recommended fans I should add to the Mugen? Also, can you rephrase the second line? I'm not sure what you mean. I understand I should get the 1070ti, but what do you mean about them not being good enough?

 

Thank you for the CPU help, as well!

Edit: Would I get more time out of the 1080? As in, I wouldn't have to upgrade until later than if I had a 1070ti?

[Ordinarily_Greater]

34 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

Small additions: Thermal paste (could use suggestions) and a PCIe riser cable to vertically mount

Why not change in to the Fractal Design R6, it has a $20 vertical GPU riser accessory. For around the same price as the H500P

34 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

To summarize: I need help determining which CPU cooler to use on an OC'ed i7-8700k. I'm also open to a Ryzen 7 2700x if you think it'd be better for streaming, or an i5-8600k if you think it'd be better.

an i7-8700K can do streaming better than the 7700K and i think you will be fine with that 8700K, unless you want to save some bucks again or want a good upgrade path for a long time then the choice would be the 2700X

34 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

I also want to know which GPU would be 1) more future proof 2) dual monitor capable 3) be able to play games maximized while streaming, the 1080 or the 1070ti. I could also use thermal paste/(200mm) PCIe riser cable suggestions

Why not a 1080ti instead? but here i changed to a 1700X and X370 combo, but honestly there isn't much that you are loosing to the R7 2700 (except StoreMI technology). a 1700X can still handle heavy streaming at good performance

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler  ($59.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($148.82 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Gunmetal TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($81.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Other: Fractal Design Define R6 Vertical PCIe mount ($20.00)
Total: $1768.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-17 21:30 EDT-0400

 

[D1Wolfgang]

29 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

Why not change in to the Fractal Design R6, it has a $20 vertical GPU riser accessory. For around the same price as the H500P

an i7-8700K can do streaming better than the 7700K and i think you will be fine with that 8700K, unless you want to save some bucks again or want a good upgrade path for a long time then the choice would be the 2700X

Why not a 1080ti instead? but here i changed to a 1700X and X370 combo, but honestly there isn't much that you are loosing to the R7 2700 (except StoreMI technology). a 1700X can still handle heavy streaming at good performance

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler  ($59.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($148.82 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Gunmetal TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($81.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Other: Fractal Design Define R6 Vertical PCIe mount ($20.00)
Total: $1768.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-17 21:30 EDT-0400

 

So I went with the H500P because I want a white/black build... I still think I'd rather use that case... I quite like it.

I think I feel more comfortable picking the i7-8700k over the Ryzen 7 2700X, because I don't want to have to change my cooler + mobo for a Ryzen. It's a different story if I consider a 1080Ti.

You blew my mind with the 1080Ti... My only question is: Is that too far? I'll be playing at 1080p for a good while until I can dual monitor. I suppose then, it'd be nice to have, but it still feels weird. I'm open to it, but it's weird. Also, if I got a 1080Ti, would I be affected by the earlier-gen CPU +mobo, later down the road?

Would it be worth it to not think about streaming, if it means having a later-gen CPU +mobo combo for later down the road? What would that look like?

 

Thank you very much! I'll play around with that part list you offered. Tweak it to my color scheme. 

Edit: I appreciate, actually, that you kept it to a generally white/black scheme. I'm just seeing this as I went to tweak it. Thanks! 

Edit 2: The Define r6 comes in white/black! 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Wolfgang393

[Ordinarily_Greater]

30 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

So I went with the H500P because I want a white/black build... I still think I'd rather use that case... I quite like it.

I think I feel more comfortable picking the i7-8700k over the Ryzen 7 2700X, because I don't want to have to change my cooler + mobo for a Ryzen. It's a different story if I consider a 1080Ti.

You blew my mind with the 1080Ti... My only question is: Is that too far? I'll be playing at 1080p for a good while until I can dual monitor. I suppose then, it'd be nice to have, but it still feels weird. I'm open to it, but it's weird. Also, if I got a 1080Ti, would I be affected by the earlier-gen CPU +mobo, later down the road?

Would it be worth it to not think about streaming, if it means having a later-gen CPU +mobo combo for later down the road? What would that look like?

 

Thank you very much! I'll play around with that part list you offered. Tweak it to my color scheme. 

Edit: I appreciate, actually, that you kept it to a generally white/black scheme. I'm just seeing this as I went to tweak it. Thanks! 

didn't you said which card is more futureproof? the 1080ti of course, but yes i did pick the 1700X + X370 combo but it shouldn't be that bad for your usage. It may perform 10%-15% worse than the 2700X but considering that I can fit a 1080ti in there well, Faster GPU plays a bigger role on pushing more FPS than Faster CPU.

 

I didn't realized that i was having a black/white scheme going on in that list, nice then! so for the Case that R6 doesn't have edgy gamery designs which makes your build more, Elegant. It's basically personal preference but i prefer the R6 because it's just plain beautiful.

 

so for the CPU choice, sure you can change to a 8700K again but my purpose to throw in a 1700X in there was to give you an idea of how much you can get the best value out of Ryzen. Especially since AM4 socket is gonna be supported until 2020 (official announcement from AMD). Other than that you are welcome

[D1Wolfgang]

2 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

didn't you said which card is more futureproof? the 1080ti of course, but yes i did pick the 1700X + X370 combo but it shouldn't be that bad for your usage. It may perform 10%-15% worse than the 2700X but considering that I can fit a 1080ti in there well, Faster GPU plays a bigger role on pushing more FPS than Faster CPU.

 

I didn't realized that i was having a black/white scheme going on in that list, nice then! so for the Case that R6 doesn't have edgy gamery designs which makes your build more, Elegant. It's basically personal preference but i prefer the R6 because it's just plain beautiful.

 

so for the CPU choice, sure you can change to a 8700K again but my purpose to throw in a 1700X in there was to give you an idea of how much you can get the best value out of Ryzen. Especially since AM4 socket is gonna be supported until 2020 (official announcement from AMD). Other than you are welcome

This is all awesome! I have a (hopefully) final question:

Do streaming components cost more than gaming components? If so, If I stopped thinking about streaming, could I get better performance out of a different CPU/motherboard combo?

And I like your 1080Ti suggestion. I also like your case suggestion. 

Thank you very much

[Jurrunio]

39 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

Very helpful! Thank you!

 

Any recommended fans I should add to the Mugen? Also, can you rephrase the second line? I'm not sure what you mean. I understand I should get the 1070ti, but what do you mean about them not being good enough?

 

Thank you for the CPU help, as well!

Edit: Would I get more time out of the 1080? As in, I wouldn't have to upgrade until later than if I had a 1070ti?

Corsair ML120s are quiet and blow nicely, but expensive. Noctua NF-F12 chromax (standard versions come in poop brown) is a bit louder and just as expensive but comes with accessories you'd actually want to keep. Like, my fan knowledge is limited to common choices. Better ask @WoodenMarker.

 

I mean 1070ti is 5% slower than 1080 when they are running at the same core clocks. Benchmarks show these two to perform more differently because custom 1080s are allowed to have higher than Nvidia specified clocks, while 1070tis arent. You can overclock both cards yourself though.

 

No, 1080 wont buy you more time on top of a 1070ti

[D1Wolfgang]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Corsair ML120s are quiet and blow nicely, but expensive. Noctua NF-F12 chromax (standard versions come in poop brown) is a bit louder and just as expensive but comes with accessories you'd actually want to keep. Like, my fan knowledge is limited to common choices. Better ask @WoodenMarker.

 

I mean 1070ti is 5% slower than 1080 when they are running at the same core clocks. Benchmarks show these two to perform more differently because custom 1080s are allowed to have higher than Nvidia specified clocks, while 1070tis arent. You can overclock both cards yourself though.

 

No, 1080 wont buy you more time on top of a 1070ti

Thank you!

[Ordinarily_Greater]

2 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

Do streaming components cost more than gaming components?

nope, it actually costs less (in this case the Ryzen 7 2700X/1700X vs the i7-8700K). Because the AMD chip is an all rounded CPU (good for streaming and good for gaming) then it is cheaper than the more focused to gaming intel chip (good for streaming and amazing for gaming). think of it as a swiss knife and kitchen knife, kitchen knife does cutting foods better while swiss knife can do it but can be useful in many other things too. and some Kitchen knife are just more expensive than a mid range swiss knife

8 minutes ago, Wolfgang393 said:

If so, If I stopped thinking about streaming, could I get better performance out of a different CPU/motherboard combo?

yes, you could go back to the i7-8700K and a Z370 combo if you aren't into serious streaming

[D1Wolfgang]

23 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

nope, it actually costs less (in this case the Ryzen 7 2700X/1700X vs the i7-8700K). Because the AMD chip is an all rounded CPU (good for streaming and good for gaming) then it is cheaper than the more focused to gaming intel chip (good for streaming and amazing for gaming). think of it as a swiss knife and kitchen knife, kitchen knife does cutting foods better while swiss knife can do it but can be useful in many other things too. and some Kitchen knife are just more expensive than a mid range swiss knife

yes, you could go back to the i7-8700K and a Z370 combo if you aren't into serious streaming

Thank you very much! I'm going to compare costs and start deciding if I'll go for a 1080Ti with Ryzen or a 1080Ti with Intel. Appreciate it! Have a good day!\

 

Quick question edit: Why did you choose that 1080Ti?

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, Wolfgang393 said:

Any recommended fans I should add to the Mugen? 

It doesn't make that much of a difference to add a second fan. I'd recommend seeing how it performs with the stock fan before deciding on whether or not to change anything.

If you want to anyway, you can add a NF-P12 to the front in push and move the stock Slipstream to the rear of the heatsink for pull or keep the stock fan at the front and use a NF-S12B for pull.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bKFPxr/noctua-case-fan-nfs12bredux1200pwm

[D1Wolfgang]

20 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

It doesn't make that much of a difference to add a second fan. I'd recommend seeing how it performs with the stock fan before deciding on whether or not to change anything.

If you want to anyway, you can add a NF-P12 to the front in push and move the stock Slipstream to the rear of the heatsink for pull or keep the stock fan at the front and use a NF-S12B for pull.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bKFPxr/noctua-case-fan-nfs12bredux1200pwm

Thank you!

[Ordinarily_Greater]

6 hours ago, Wolfgang393 said:

Thank you very much! I'm going to compare costs and start deciding if I'll go for a 1080Ti with Ryzen or a 1080Ti with Intel. Appreciate it! Have a good day!\

 

Quick question edit: Why did you choose that 1080Ti?

Because it is one of the cheapest 1080ti currently, while not being a bad card too. I would trust Asus, Zotac, and EVGA if we're talking 1080 Ti cards