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Can someone explain something about routers and internet speed?

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Hmmm..... Try imagine it as a kind of road. This road is able to handle 15 trucks per minute to pass by.
Your computers are production plants which need resources very fast. So 1 of your computers needs 10 trucks per minute to work at full capacity. The other one only needs 5 trucks per minute.
The Router is some kind of intersection where they can pass and this one adapts itself so these 15 trucks per minute will be able to reach the computers.
Now a 3th computer is added and this one also requests 5 trucks per minute. While the router is still "big" enough and could handle these 20 trucks per minute, the road leading up to it can't and you will have a traffic jam and only 15 trucks per minute reaching your router which will devide it to the computers, in most cases this will be done equally (unless you use things like QoS).
But now say you have 1 computer manufacturing something which needs to be send to the seccond computer in the same network which then sends it to the third one which adds something too then you have something like this:
Computer 1 requests 10 trucks per minute from the OUTSIDE and sends 10 trucks per minute to computer 2
Computer 2 receives 10 trucks per minute form the INSIDE and sends 10 trucks per minute to computer 3
Computer 3 receivers 10 trucks per minute from the INSIDE and requests 5 trucks per minute from the OUSIDE
So in total there will be 10+10+10+5 = 35 trucks per minute going trough your router but only 15 per minute from the road, so that would still be okay because the router can handle up to 1500 trucks per minute.

Now things are a bit more complicated because you are using wifi and wifi is only half-duplex so it can only send or receiver but not at the same time, while the wired connection entering the router is full-duplex (I hope :P) so it can send and receive at the same time. But still in this example your router would be well equiped. Another difference is that I now only looked at traffic going into your router from the ouside, but you also send traffic to the outside and then you need your upload connection instead. most ISP's have something like 15 down and 2 up, so while you can receiver 15 mbit per second you can only send 2 mbit per second. In most cases this is no problem because most consumer use of the internet is based on receiver stuff and not sending. The only things you are sending are small requests to start sending you data.

Hope this clears it up a bit :).

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If someone has an ac router capable of sending 1500Mb and pays for 15 Mb internet speed does it mean that each device connected to the router gets a part of the speed the person is paying for ( for example there are 10 devices does that mean each device gets 1.5 mb(15Mb/ 10))  or does it mean that that the router gives the full 15 Mb to each device and the number of devices that are able to connect to the router on full internet speed are 1500 / 15 which is 100?

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It will handle each device equally as it comes unless you have things like QoS on. So if two people are trying to use 15 at the same time they will only get half that. In the real world though it isn't that exact. But if someone is uploading they can cripple the whole network

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12 hours ago, Alexsolo said:

Full speed to each device. If there's too many devices and the CPU on the router gets overloaded (can't process all info demands at once for too many users) you'll notice a speed decrease. 

If you pay for 15Mbps download speed you will not get that per device. You get that total, across all devices.

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Hmmm..... Try imagine it as a kind of road. This road is able to handle 15 trucks per minute to pass by.
Your computers are production plants which need resources very fast. So 1 of your computers needs 10 trucks per minute to work at full capacity. The other one only needs 5 trucks per minute.
The Router is some kind of intersection where they can pass and this one adapts itself so these 15 trucks per minute will be able to reach the computers.
Now a 3th computer is added and this one also requests 5 trucks per minute. While the router is still "big" enough and could handle these 20 trucks per minute, the road leading up to it can't and you will have a traffic jam and only 15 trucks per minute reaching your router which will devide it to the computers, in most cases this will be done equally (unless you use things like QoS).
But now say you have 1 computer manufacturing something which needs to be send to the seccond computer in the same network which then sends it to the third one which adds something too then you have something like this:
Computer 1 requests 10 trucks per minute from the OUTSIDE and sends 10 trucks per minute to computer 2
Computer 2 receives 10 trucks per minute form the INSIDE and sends 10 trucks per minute to computer 3
Computer 3 receivers 10 trucks per minute from the INSIDE and requests 5 trucks per minute from the OUSIDE
So in total there will be 10+10+10+5 = 35 trucks per minute going trough your router but only 15 per minute from the road, so that would still be okay because the router can handle up to 1500 trucks per minute.

Now things are a bit more complicated because you are using wifi and wifi is only half-duplex so it can only send or receiver but not at the same time, while the wired connection entering the router is full-duplex (I hope :P) so it can send and receive at the same time. But still in this example your router would be well equiped. Another difference is that I now only looked at traffic going into your router from the ouside, but you also send traffic to the outside and then you need your upload connection instead. most ISP's have something like 15 down and 2 up, so while you can receiver 15 mbit per second you can only send 2 mbit per second. In most cases this is no problem because most consumer use of the internet is based on receiver stuff and not sending. The only things you are sending are small requests to start sending you data.

Hope this clears it up a bit :).

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Your ISP cannot see what's behind your router, so you get 15mbps for the household not per endpoint. It's shared, so if you have 100 devices, 99 are idle and 1 is downloading - then that 1 will get the full 15. But as more devices need more bandwidth then it gets split up.

 

You can test this yourself - on multiple devices either download something or run a speed test on each machine. Start with 1, then 2, then 3 etc...

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2 hours ago, Mikensan said:

Your ISP cannot see what's behind your router,

Depends, if you use a standard router not from the ISP. Otherwise I heard they can remote in and see exactly whats connected to the router. This is the reason I dont use ISP supplied anything. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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