HDD upgrade, no performance increased

[german77]

Hi, I recently upgraded my HDD for a better and bigger HDD. I expected to see an increase or the same performance in loading times as the new HDD has twice the reading speeds from 74MB/s to 155MB/s and has more cache from 8MB to 64MB than the old hard drive. But instead I a noticeable slower startup from 2:20 to 2:50. I have benchmark the drives and both gave me the average performance for their model.

 

The new one is a clone of the old one, and windows 10 was fresh installed four days ago. And I haven't modified the partitions yet. Both have the same format.

 

A little bit of information of the drives:

The old one is a T3250310AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s, has worked for over 10 years in the same computer with an outstanding 1MB/s average read/write performance, yes to backup it's 40GB of data took 11 hours.

The new one is a DT01ACA200 2TB 7200RPM, 64MB Cache SATA III, 6 Gbit/s, this one is salvaged from a DVR of unknown time.I'm aware that it probably has overwritten itself more than 100 times. I haven't fully tested it but gave me a solid 32MB/s writing speed for a 2GB file and cloned the old HDD in about 10 minutes.

 

My motherboard is one designed for gaming, with intel I7 3.1Ghz 8 core hyper treading CPU, and 16GB DDR3 RAM. So I think those wouldn't be a bottleneck for the startup. Do anyone has a idea of whats going on? I will give updates when I tested more the new HDD and try to diagnose the slow start up.

 

[itisme911]

Is it plugged into the same sata port on the board? EXACTLY what revisions of windows were you running, and if its FRESH it could still be settling and installing updates etc. But a fresh install is almost always best.

[WereCat]

Because it's HDD, random write/read still suck even if seq is much faster.

[itisme911]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Because it's HDD, random write/read still suck even if seq is much faster.

he would still see some performance increase

[WoodenMarker]

2 minutes ago, itisme911 said:

he would still see some performance increase

Yes but not necessarily for boot up speeds.

[itisme911]

Just now, WoodenMarker said:

Yes but not necessarily for boot up speeds.

Damn better be unless its older than he thinks, though it is possible it was worn a bit

[r4tch3t]

The problem with speeding up load times is it's loading thousands of small files so a faster read speed doesn't help as much as latency. ~12ms per file vs .1ms per file for an SSD.

Also what do you have installed that makes it take so long to load? The last laptop I refurbished was 7 years old and had an old hdd and booted in about a minute.

[Jurrunio]

that's probably a lot of fragmentation in there.

[itisme911]

34 minutes ago, german77 said:

Hi, I recently upgraded my HDD for a better and bigger HDD. I expected to see an increase or the same performance in loading times as the new HDD has twice the reading speeds from 74MB/s to 155MB/s and has more cache from 8MB to 64MB than the old hard drive. But instead I a noticeable slower startup from 2:20 to 2:50. I have benchmark the drives and both gave me the average performance for their model.

 

The new one is a clone of the old one, and windows 10 was fresh installed four days ago. And I haven't modified the partitions yet. Both have the same format.

 

A little bit of information of the drives:

The old one is a T3250310AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s, has worked for over 10 years in the same computer with an outstanding 1MB/s average read/write performance, yes to backup it's 40GB of data took 11 hours.

The new one is a DT01ACA200 2TB 7200RPM, 64MB Cache SATA III, 6 Gbit/s, this one is salvaged from a DVR of unknown time.I'm aware that it probably has overwritten itself more than 100 times. I haven't fully tested it but gave me a solid 32MB/s writing speed for a 2GB file and cloned the old HDD in about 10 minutes.

 

My motherboard is one designed for gaming, with intel I7 3.1Ghz 8 core hyper treading CPU, and 16GB DDR3 RAM. So I think those wouldn't be a bottleneck for the startup. Do anyone has a idea of whats going on? I will give updates when I tested more the new HDD and try to diagnose the slow start up.

 

What others were saying makes sense but the disk with more storage literally has more distance on the disk to spin to scan, there is a LTT forum post somewhere and perhaps a vid that can explain how the outer edge is slower and you can specifically write to inner edge for a lot of things

[german77]

Yes It's plugged into the same data, I tried to keep variables to a minimum. I have no idea of why it took so long to boot up. 15 seconds takes are from the bios loading and almost half of the time it's loading my user account. It has almost next to nothing, even less I only have uninstalled all garbage from windows instalation and installed chrome,notepad++,winrar and crosscode.

 

I know that random reads are garbage in HDD, but a 20% decrease seems to much.

[itisme911]

1 minute ago, german77 said:

Yes It's plugged into the same data, I tried to keep variables to a minimum. I have no idea of why it took so long to boot up. 15 seconds takes are from the bios loading and almost half of the time it's loading my user account. It has almost next to nothing, even less I only have uninstalled all garbage from windows instalation and installed chrome,notepad++,winrar and crosscode.

 

I know that random reads are garbage in HDD, but a 20% decrease seems to much.

might also check performance settings in windows, animated UI etc does slow it appreciably depending on what you're running in the rest of the computer

[german77]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's probably a lot of fragmentation in there.

It's a new installation of windows, it shouldn't have a lot of fragmentation, unless the clone tool do pretty bad job.

3 minutes ago, itisme911 said:

What others were saying makes sense but the disk with more storage literally has more distance on the disk to spin to scan, there is a LTT forum post somewhere and perhaps a vid that can explain how the outer edge is slower and you can specifically write to inner edge for a lot of things

Probably that could be the a reason. I currently don't have the computer on hand, But I will ensure that the files are written on the fastest part of the HDD and aren't fragmented.

[german77]

14 minutes ago, itisme911 said:

might also check performance settings in windows, animated UI etc does slow it appreciably depending on what you're running in the rest of the computer

My older computer has windows vista. With really old hardware and even boots faster than this one. It also works as good as a current PC(not for gaming) due heavy maintenance and disabled all unnecessary settings/programs. I have partially done the same on this computer.

[Mira Yurizaki]

What are you loading? Operating systems have a ton of file I/O because of all of the little things it has to load. So IOPS performance greatly impacts loading times there moreso than bandwidth. A lot of other regular applications are in the same boat as well. This means even if you get a better hard drive, the IOPS barely nudge so you're stuck with what appears to be the same performance.

 

Games may or may not benefit from the added bandwidth.

[itisme911]

1 minute ago, german77 said:

My older computer has windows vista. With really old hardware and even boots faster than this one. It also works as good as a current PC(not for gaming) due heavy maintenance and disabled all unnecessary settings/programs. I have partially done the same on this computer.

Vista and old OS have less telemetry etc than windows 10 or even 7, the often boot a LOT faster and sometimes run faster but efficiency only goes up on newer software

[german77]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

What are you loading? Operating systems have a ton of file I/O because of all of the little things it has to load. So IOPS performance greatly impacts loading times there moreso than bandwidth. A lot of other regular applications are in the same boat as well. This means even if you get a better hard drive, the IOPS barely nudge so you're stuck with what appears to be the same performance.

 

Games may or may not benefit from the added bandwidth.

currently it's loading just the desktop and the nvidia driver everything else is disabled from the start up programs. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, german77 said:

currently it's loading just the desktop and the nvidia driver everything else is disabled from the start up programs. 

It doesn't matter what you have on startup. There's a crapton of things the OS needs to load that are essential for its operation.

[german77]

5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It doesn't matter what you have on startup. There's a crapton of things the OS needs to load that are essential for its operation.

It don't expect to be lighting fast, for that I will just buy a SSD, under two minutes it's my zone of comfort. Just trying to know why a "better" HDD performs worse and posible solutions for this case.

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 minutes ago, german77 said:

It don't expect to be lighting fast, for that I will just buy a SSD, under two minutes it's my zone of comfort. Just trying to know why a "better" HDD performs worse and posible solutions for this case.

Check if the partition is 4K aligned (instructions at http://www.ccboot.com/how-to-check-whether-the-hdd-is-4k-aligned.htm)

[german77]

Update: HDD it's correcly aligned, the drive it's not fragmented, managed to speed up boot to 1:02 on the old HDD with the new one I have boot problems because I extended the partition of windows and ubuntu. I will test it when I fix the boot grub.

 

I still need to move data to the fastest part of the HDD then compare if the new HDD works faster.