Screen tearing using a TV

[App4that]

So I picked up a TCL 55p605 awhile back. 4k HDR, has excelent reviews. 

 

Put together a HTPC using a Z97 motherboard, 4790k, 980ti hybrid, 750w Corsair, stuff I had left over from other builds.

 

The issue is some games have bad screen tearing, Vulkan seems to be an issue as well. Far Cry Blood Dragon, FFXV, Bro Force, Forza 7, all play without an issue at 4k 60Hz (in USB 2.0 mode.) Doom (2016), Wolfenstein II, Dead Space 3, all have screen tearing , and bad. I've tried Vsync on, adaptive Vsync, Vsync off (which lets Borderlands 2 play without tearing), capping the fps at 60, capping the fps at 55, changing the windows setting to 59Hz. Nothing works. I'm able to lock 60fps in all the games, so not from drops. Tried overclocking and stock. Nothing.

 

Latest Nvidia driver, and latest Windows build. 10

[EunSoo]

Is the TCL the only display hooked up to that PC?

[App4that]

Just now, Sombra said:

Is the TCL the only display hooked up to that PC?

Yep, nothing else. 

[EunSoo]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yep, nothing else. 

In Nvidia Control Panel, make sure that Triple Buffering is enabled as well as Adaptive Sync.

[App4that]

Just now, Sombra said:

In Nvidia Control Panel, make sure that Triple Buffering is enabled as well as Adaptive Sync.

OK, I'll give that a shot. 

[EunSoo]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

OK, I'll give that a shot. 

I'm curious. Did it help?

[App4that]

12 hours ago, Sombra said:

I'm curious. Did it help?

Really thought it had, in an area with no enemies in Doom it did, once I got into heavy combat it was back...

 

Thanks though, was a good idea. 

[EunSoo]

27 minutes ago, App4that said:

Really thought it had, in an area with no enemies in Doom it did, once I got into heavy combat it was back...

 

Thanks though, was a good idea. 

What's your fps like in those heavy combat scenes? Adaptive Sync will turn off vsync if you dip below your screens refresh rate so that you aren't dropping frames.

[App4that]

13 minutes ago, Sombra said:

What's your fps like in those heavy combat scenes? Adaptive Sync will turn off vsync if you dip below your screens refresh rate so that you aren't dropping frames.

Locked 60 for the most part, few dropped frames to 59fps. I tried with Vsync on as well as adaptive, still had tearing. 

[App4that]

1 hour ago, Sombra said:

What's your fps like in those heavy combat scenes? Adaptive Sync will turn off vsync if you dip below your screens refresh rate so that you aren't dropping frames.

Tried a 30fps cap, still tearing. I went to OpenGL on Doom, tearing was gone. I had to drop the resolution scaling from 90% like in Vulkan to 80% to hold 60fps but even when I had frame drops in OpenGL there was no tearing. 

 

Also tried a known good HDMI cable, it's Vulkan. Which sucks because that's the only API for Wolfenstein II. 

[EunSoo]

22 minutes ago, App4that said:

Tried a 30fps cap, still tearing. I went to OpenGL on Doom, tearing was gone. I had to drop the resolution scaling from 90% like in Vulkan to 80% to hold 60fps but even when I had frame drops in OpenGL there was no tearing. 

 

Also tried a known good HDMI cable, it's Vulkan. Which sucks because that's the only API for Wolfenstein II. 

Huh, odd because I thought vulkan handled screen tearing well. I'd heard reports of vulkan eliminating screen tearing even without vsync

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Sombra said:

Huh, odd because I thought vulkan handled screen tearing well. I'd heard reports of vulkan eliminating screen tearing even without vsync

That's exactly what I found. So far the best I've found using Vulkan is setting it to windowed, then borderless. All but gets rid of the tearing for a few minutes, but it comes back. Really wierd issue.

[dalekphalm]

Have you tried switching Gamer Mode, or PC Mode?

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Have you tried switching Gamer Mode, or PC Mode?

Yep, tried them both. 

[dalekphalm]

Just now, App4that said:

Yep, tried them both. 

I would suggest trying the computer on another monitor or TV with the same resolution, to see if it happens there as well, though that might not be possible.

[App4that]

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I would suggest trying the computer on another monitor or TV with the same resolution, to see if it happens there as well, though that might not be possible.

Yeah only have the one 4k. Have a few 1080p monitors but not a apples to apple. 

[i_got_laid_by_a_dragoness]

On 4/26/2018 at 7:55 PM, App4that said:

So I picked up a TCL 55p605 awhile back. 4k HDR, has excelent reviews. 

 

Put together a HTPC using a Z97 motherboard, 4790k, 980ti hybrid, 750w Corsair, stuff I had left over from other builds.

 

The issue is some games have bad screen tearing, Vulkan seems to be an issue as well. Far Cry Blood Dragon, FFXV, Bro Force, Forza 7, all play without an issue at 4k 60Hz (in USB 2.0 mode.) Doom (2016), Wolfenstein II, Dead Space 3, all have screen tearing , and bad. I've tried Vsync on, adaptive Vsync, Vsync off (which lets Borderlands 2 play without tearing), capping the fps at 60, capping the fps at 55, changing the windows setting to 59Hz. Nothing works. I'm able to lock 60fps in all the games, so not from drops. Tried overclocking and stock. Nothing.

 

Latest Nvidia driver, and latest Windows build. 10

Try nVidia driver 381.65. Set Multi-Display/mixed GPU Acceleration to Multiple Display Performance mode in the Global Settings tab. Set vSync at "Application controlled", but go to the program-specific settings tab for each game you have and set it to On. After that, force vSync and Triple Buffering for DWM.exe. Turn off Shader Cache for DWM too. Set "Maximum Pre-rendered frames" to "1".

 

Report back on whether tearing has gotten worse, better, or stayed the same.

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, i_got_laid_by_a_dragoness said:

Try nVidia driver 381.65. Set Multi-Display/mixed GPU Acceleration to Multiple Display Performance mode in the Global Settings tab. Set vSync at "Application controlled", but go to the program-specific settings tab for each game you have and set it to On. After that, force vSync and Triple Buffering for DWM.exe. Turn off Shader Cache for DWM too. Set "Maximum Pre-rendered frames" to "1".

 

Report back on whether tearing has gotten worse, better, or stayed the same.

Will do, will probably be tomarrow though. I'm not able to change the setting of Triple buffering outside the global though, which I found off. It's grayed out in the application side unless enabled globally. 

[App4that]

On 4/30/2018 at 12:19 PM, i_got_laid_by_a_dragoness said:

Try nVidia driver 381.65. Set Multi-Display/mixed GPU Acceleration to Multiple Display Performance mode in the Global Settings tab. Set vSync at "Application controlled", but go to the program-specific settings tab for each game you have and set it to On. After that, force vSync and Triple Buffering for DWM.exe. Turn off Shader Cache for DWM too. Set "Maximum Pre-rendered frames" to "1".

 

Report back on whether tearing has gotten worse, better, or stayed the same.

I couldn't go back to 381.65, not on Nvidia's site and the wife uses the HTPC to play FFXV. So rolled back to 391.01. Used the settings you listed but still the same, much worse if I turn off Vsync within DOOM. 

[App4that]

On 4/30/2018 at 12:19 PM, i_got_laid_by_a_dragoness said:

 

Thanks for the help but I'm giving up, way too big of a pain in the ass. Going to make the HTPC a dedicated VR PC, so the hunt for a 1070 or 1070ti begins LOL. 

 

Thanks for trying though.