laptop wont boot School laptop issues after using a bootable hard drive.

[ReapersMemoir]

Short version:

• School laptop
• Used bootable windows drive
• Set the internal drive to online(available) to access school files
• Bootable windows OS does a drive repair on drive E: a few days later (what the internal drive was recognized as by my bootable windows)
• In bootable windows I get "drive is not accessible permision denied" after trying to open it
• Shut down and attempted to boot the regular internal drive (school windows 8.1 OS)
• HP logo followed by permanent black screen no sign of windows at all
• Re launch on bootable drive
• Right click and change security properties to allow my account full access
• Check storage, hard all of the files as far as I can tell.
• Windows still won't boot from the interal drive.
• I can get the recovery menu up sometimes but I don't have an admin password for that system so I can't run any repair options and safe mode won't boot either.

Other info:

• In bootable windows I did have to hard reset the laptop a couple of times. For reasons varying from accdental drive unplug by my friend, a usb 3 driver error causing it to stop 2 or 3 times before I updated it, a program that caused it to freeze once, and an error saying the boot drive was inaccessible randomly 2 times.(probably because of the un updated usb driver)

 

What I think happened, just not sure how to fix it or if I'm right:

• During the drive repair somehow all users/systems lost some/full accees to the drive and now the system cannot boot windows from the drive because it has no access.
• Some sort of anti theft protocol that was activated when I accessed the drive from bootable windows

 

Long version:

My high school provided us with laptops(windows 8.1 school modified OS) obviously they restricted the shit out of our student domain log-ins. I decided to use an old 500GB HDD to make bootable windows 8.1 drive. Effectively giving me access to a full admin privileged account on the school laptop. I wanted to be able to have access to my school files when I was on the alternate windows environment while at home so I went into the disk manager and turned the internal drive online. I had been running it this way for a few days. One day I started up the bootable drive and got a "repairing drive E:" screen, I found out after letting it boot that drive E was the internal one. Double clicked it and it gave me an error message telling me access was denied. I shut down and rebooted the laptop using the internal drive instrad of the external one, windows wouldn't boot at all. After a few worried google searches I  booted it back up using the external drive, right clicked the internal one and added myself to the permisson list again. To my knowledge all the files are still there, all of my files are at least, but windows won't boot. I can get the recovery menu up sometimes but I don't have an admin password for that system so I can't run any repair options and safe mode won't boot either.

 

Before you suggest that I/why don't I just take it to the school for repair. They're dicks in the IT department and repairs take a long time so there's a chance I get in trouble and have no laptop for school, which is used heavily in some classes, if I bring it to them. So that's my last resort if i can't find another solution.

 

Thank you in advance for any help

[Windows7ge]

I do not think the system is intelligent enough to have any anti-tamper things installed. Maybe some of the disk is encrypted but I doubt more than that (or even that). I'm thinking the repair it did reverted some special changes the school did for their purposes like registry edit, permissions, and the like. The repair probably broke a modification the school installed which is used when booting the device. So in short. Corrupted files. Sounds like the boot loader.

 

What is the actual error you get when the internal drive refuses to boot? "Cannot find boot device..."?

[Windows7ge]

Also you will need to watch what you say. This is a borderline against the forum rules topic:

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• Talking about piracy in general, broad details, is acceptable however the posting or discussing pirated/hacked/cracked or otherwise nefariously obtained content is not. This includes Windows content, games, hackintosh, etc. Also discussions regarding ways to avoid or block legitimately installed monitoring/tracking software or the like is also not allowed.

 

[ReapersMemoir]

2 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

What is the actual error you get when the internal drive refuses to boot? "Cannot find boot device..."?

There is no error code it goes from the HP logo to a black screen I don't get the windows icon at all, and safe mode does the same. Only thing I can boot is the BIOS, the HP recovery options, and the bootable. Also thanks for the mention of the rules, oof. Hopefully I can figure it out before the post is flagged

 

I'll try enabling the boot logging option from recovery and seeing if I can access the log, if one gets made, from the bootable

May also be worth mention I get a box telling me that the recycling bin on drive E is corrupt asking me if I'd like to clear it, I click yes and the box continues to pop up sometimes, this started only after re-applying my accounts full access perms

[ReapersMemoir]

Spoiler

Microsoft (R) Windows (R) Version 6.3 (Build 9600)
 2 14 2018 17:43:16.489
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Got the boot log

[Windows7ge]

1 hour ago, ReapersMemoir said:

Got the boot log

So the CDROM and a few drivers didn't load. I wonder if there's other files missing from the list. Unfortunately I don't know how to read boot logs. I don't know what is essential. Probably the easiest way to fix this would be to get your hands on the schools modded copy of the ISO and either repair or reinstall. It's also possible you could try pushing this one step further by attempting a deliberate repair on the drive from an ISO of the same OS. It might repair it...it might not help at all...it might break it more...who knows. I've never seen an issue where a system would POST but not load the OS without showing you an error. Usually you'd see a corrupt file error like File Missing: BCD.dll. At this point in time I'd probably go for broke and attempt a deliberate repair using the same OS version .ISO from the Microsoft website. If this fails and provided you didn't install any extra bits of software yourself you could claim ignorance. Tell them it wouldn't shutdown so you held the power button and now it's doing this when you try to start it. More than likely they won't attempt any repairs they'll just dump the OS and reinstall from the modded OS they have. It'd be the easiest for them.

 

Next time I'd run a OS from a thumb drive instead of portable HDD. UBUNTU would be easiest but it may not read/write to the Windows NTFS due to lack of support. There's ways to install windows to a thumb drive which would be better than external HDD in terms of it not getting unplugged.

[ElSeniorTaco]

this one sounds like a load of fun for you

Id bet that doing the repair screwed with permissions like what was mentioned above, among other things.

 

Hope this doesnt violate any rules, Moderators please delete this post if so.

 

An easy way out of this will be the following:

 

Do you have access to another school laptop?(friend's maybe?)

Get his laptop, pull the internal drive out, set it aside.

Get G4L or Clonezilla on a flashdrive.

 

Clone your currently screwed up internal drive as an image to another harddrive, as a backup incase this idea goes wrong (and it can and possibly will, consider this step insurance from making things worse).

clone your friend's internal drive to an image on another harddrive as well ( this will give you the ability to make one image, and give the computer back to your friend, so you can work from the image instead of keeping his laptop for an extended period of time if you need it.)

 

Clone your friends image over your screwed up drive.

 

Hopefully you got a working  computer now

However be aware you might screw with AD and networking settings

If you clone his drive and they got strict settings, its going to piss something off somewhere.

Keep in mind you might have a duplicate computer name or IP or other things now on the school network.

 

This might not be the smartest way to fix it, but I wouldn't be surprised if you can at least use it now.

I would also check to see what happens if you login to your name with your laptop, and he logins under his name on his laptop at the same time, one of you might not be able to login.

 

If so, scrap this idea lol and clone the backup image back to the drive, and hope someone else has a simple fix for you

 

I want to add that some of those things not loading, might be on purpose 

Could be school settings/security doing that.

Edited February 15, 2018 by ElSeniorTaco
formatting

[ReapersMemoir]

7 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

If this fails and provided you didn't install any extra bits of software yourself you could claim ignorance. Tell them it wouldn't shutdown so you held the power button and now it's doing this when you try to start it. More than likely they won't attempt any repairs they'll just dump the OS and reinstall from the modded OS they have. It'd be the easiest for them.

Thanks a lot for the help, I'll probably give it another day or 2 of waiting to see if anyone else comes here with a fix and google searching some more in depth solutions while I wait. I'm sure you can imagine finding a fix to an issue caused potentially by a bootable drive that disables the OS but not the bios is a pretty unique problem with not many answers lol. wish me luck

[ElSeniorTaco]

15 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

If this fails and provided you didn't install any extra bits of software yourself you could claim ignorance. Tell them it wouldn't shutdown so you held the power button and now it's doing this when you try to start it. More than likely they won't attempt any repairs they'll just dump the OS and reinstall from the modded OS they have. It'd be the easiest for them..

I like this idea too lol

[ReapersMemoir]

7 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

this one sounds like a load of fun for you

Id bet that doing the repair screwed with permissions like you think, among other things.

 

Hope this doesnt violate any rules, Moderators please delete this post if so.

An easy way out of this will be the following:

Do you have access to another school laptop?(friend's maybe?)

Get his laptop, pull the internal drive out, set it aside.

Get G4L or Clonezilla on a flashdrive.

Tons of fun lol. I have to take his drive out? or can i just plug the flashdrive into his computer with the software on it?  Also the login system is a bit weird.

If you care for a run down\/

Spoiler

You must be on school WiFi for your first time log in. after you log in it creates a local user. you can use the account with or without connection and all of your stuff gets saved locally, then while you're at school you have access to an H: drive which is just cloud storage for your user which you can access from any computer on the network. all of your local save stuff is per device and you can log into as many machines as you like.

But login on both computers wont be a problem might even be able to keep all of my local save data. Since I can still copy from the internal to the bootable.

[ReapersMemoir]

6 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

I like this idea too lol

yeah I might go with that one if Ican't figure something moderately solid out.

[ElSeniorTaco]

Just now, ReapersMemoir said:

Tons of fun lol. I have to take his drive out? or can i just plug the flashdrive into his computer with the software on it?  Also the login system is a bit weird.

If you care for a run down\/

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You must be on school WiFi for your first time log in. after you log in it creates a local user. you can use the account with or without connection and all of your stuff gets saved locally, then while you're at school you have access to an H: drive which is just cloud storage for your user which you can access from any computer on the network. all of your local save stuff is per device and you can log into as many machines as you like.

But login on both computers wont be a problem might even be able to keep all of my local save data. Since I can still copy from the internal to the bootable.

no sorry You dont need to take his drive out, I was doing it in a complicated manner at first and rewrote some of the post, left  alittle bit of a mess there, hopefully you get the gist.

Just get the software and clone his drive to a spare external drive , no need to take it out

[ReapersMemoir]

1 minute ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

no sorry You dont need to take his drive out, I was doing it in a complicated manner at first and rewrote some of the post, left  alittle bit of a mess there, hopefully you get the gist.

Just get the software and clone his drive to a spare external drive , no need to take it out

alright I have a few friends coming over this weekend right after school so they should pretty much all have their laptops on them, any idea if the MAC address will be affected? they use it to white list our laptops to the Laptop only network. not a problem if it doesn't id much rather have to go down and tell them the wifi stopped working than to tell them I made the OS stop booting

[ElSeniorTaco]

18 minutes ago, ReapersMemoir said:

yeah I might go with that one if Ican't figure something moderately solid out.

If my post doesnt pan out, which im sure it will boot and all but could cause unforseen complications.

I would go with the, "durrr, I did waht with  the permissiahodawadas? " method, tried and true..

Most of the time people dont believe you have a skill set that extensive if you don't say anything, so you might get away with it. 

Random failures happen all the time, in places with lots of computers

And if you think about it, this kinda was a random failure

[ElSeniorTaco]

1 minute ago, ReapersMemoir said:

alright I have a few friends coming over this weekend right after school so they should pretty much all have their laptops on them, any idea if the MAC address will be affected? they use it to white list our laptops to the Laptop only network. not a problem if it doesn't id much rather have to go down and tell them the wifi stopped working than to tell them I made the OS stop booting

IF they change the MAC addresses (which you can, via registry, although it wont change the hardware mac's) then yes it will screw shit up.

But if they use the mac address that is built into the hardware (which they probably do), then no it wont screw that portion up, as windows will use what ever mac address that was given to this computer from the factory, unless it is told to do otherwise.

[ElSeniorTaco]

15 minutes ago, ReapersMemoir said:

 

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But login on both computers wont be a problem might even be able to keep all of my local save data. Since I can still copy from the internal to the bootable.

I am more worried about active directory being told that someone is logging into two accounts from what looks like one computer, since they are going to be clones. (keep in mind its two computers, that will now share the same name and what not)

I am not exactly sure what effect that will have

All of this assumes of course that they use active directory

[Windows7ge]

28 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

Do you have access to another school laptop?(friend's maybe?)

Get his laptop, pull the internal drive out, set it aside.

Get G4L or Clonezilla on a flashdrive.

 

Clone your currently screwed up internal drive as an image to another harddrive, as a backup incase this idea goes wrong (and it can and possibly will, consider this step insurance from making things worse).

clone your friend's internal drive to an image on another harddrive as well ( this will give you the ability to make one image, and give the computer back to your friend, so you can work from the image instead of keeping his laptop for an extended period of time if you need it.)

 

Clone your friends image over your screwed up drive.

This is also a viable option. One I didn't think of.

 

9 minutes ago, ReapersMemoir said:

any idea if the MAC address will be affected?

It will not. MAC addresses can be spoofed. In this instance instead of altering the MAC (in software) you're moving the OS to a different location. It'll detect the new NIC and it's MAC then update the MAC saved in the OS. With these types of school wireless systems your access is usually tied to the MAC address and that is tied to your school account but since the MAC address is physical not logical the MAC will stay with the laptop (the NIC specifically) not the OS. So it won't have any problems using a clone from your friend.

[ReapersMemoir]

6 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

I am more worried about active directory being told that someone is logging into two accounts from what looks like one computer, since they are going to be clones. (keep in mind its two computers, that will now share the same name and what not)

I am not exactly sure what effect that will have

All of this assumes of course that they use active directory

I'm guessing there's a way to work around the PC name? and I'm not sure about the active directory. I'm guessing you don't want to break rules by detailing the process of doing this but a yes or no to save me the time of googling if there isn't would be helpful

[Windows7ge]

8 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

I am more worried about active directory being told that someone is logging into two accounts from what looks like one computer, since they are going to be clones. (keep in mind its two computers, that will now share the same name and what not)

I am not exactly sure what effect that will have

All of this assumes of course that they use active directory

They should have the option to change the name of the computer so that active directory doesn't have that problem...that is if he has the permissions to.

I think it has to be active directory. A domain with user accounts. In theory he could change the computers name to anything but it's unknown if the system checks for duplicate names and if to alert IT if it occurs.

[ElSeniorTaco]

3 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

It will not. MAC addresses can be spoofed. In this instance instead of altering the MAC (in software) you're moving the OS to a different location. It'll detect the new NIC and it's MAC then update the MAC saved in the OS. With these types of school wireless systems your access is usually tied to the MAC address and that is tied to your school account but since the MAC address is physical not logical the MAC will stay with the laptop (the NIC specifically) not the OS. So it won't have any problems using a clone from your friend.

I just want to point out, that if they setup their own private mac's on all the computers  (god forbid) via some group policy, or registry, or some other method and this setting gets cloned over, you will end up using your friends mac address.

But other wise its not a problem and he is right, itl just update and no issues will occur. ( this is most likely the case)

[ElSeniorTaco]

5 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

They should have the option to change the name of the computer so that active directory doesn't have that problem...that is if he has the permissions to.

I think it has to be active directory. A domain with user accounts. In theory he could change the computers name to anything but it's unknown if the system checks for duplicate names and if to alert IT if it occurs.

He can change the name if he has administrative rights, but even then, I think active directory might follow the name change and change it in AD as well.

Then what will be the domino affect from that ? (if any?)

But either way, Im not so worried if they get an alert, but more of, is active directory going to require him or both the computers to rejoin the domain after it detects a fault like this, and/or will it even let him(or his friend?) login anymore.

I am not sure what that effect will be, I guess I can try this at work tomorrow if I have free time and see what happens lol.

Then you will have a good idea of what you might expect

Could be literally nothing,

Could be catastrophic.

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by ElSeniorTaco
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[Windows7ge]

2 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

I just want to point out, that if they setup their own private mac's on all the computers

Private MACs. Unless they're some serious security freaks I think they wouldn't do that just because of the shear level of extra work it would require. They'd have to keep track of each address and install them either manually or with special software on every machine. They wouldn't gain much from it so I'd expect them to go with what the NICs come with.

[ElSeniorTaco]

1 minute ago, Windows7ge said:

Private MACs. Unless they're some serious security freaks I think they wouldn't do that just because of the shear level of extra work it would require. They'd have to keep track of each address and install them either manually or with special software on every machine. They wouldn't gain much from it so I'd expect them to go with what the NICs come with.

I agree totally, I just wanted to express that possible scenario, so he can keep it in mind and check for it, in the event he runs into a problem that's related

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2 minutes ago, ElSeniorTaco said:

I just want to point out, that if they setup their own private mac's on all the computers  (god forbid) via some group policy, or registry, or some other method and this setting gets cloned over, you will end up using your friends mac address.

But other wise its not a problem and he is right, itl just update and no issues will occur. ( this is most likely the case)

The laptops are rollover ready so when I graduate they can give my laptop to someone else if they want/need to. anyone can log in on any laptop and access their H drive while at school, and it creates another local user file as well so i think ill be fine

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2 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Private MACs. Unless they're some serious security freaks I think they wouldn't do that just because of the shear level of extra work it would require. They'd have to keep track of each address and install them either manually or with special software on every machine. They wouldn't gain much from it so I'd expect them to go with what the NICs come with.

Yeah there's like 800+ kids with laptops at my school maybe more