Revised First Build List

[Alexander H]

On my last post, people told me to go for a cheaper motherboard, and spend more on the cooler and case. Well... I managed to get a better build with better parts. I managed to fix the 6GB 1060, and the i3 8350K, and a better cooler and case (I.M.O) for $40 more. I'm going to list the parts down below and tell me what you think! Also please tell me a good website to get Windows 10 (Pro) for cheap and the best fans because I have not put those on the list yet. Thanks!

 

Original List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZQDpjc 

 

Version 2: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/smdjjc

[Phentos]

Why do you think you would need Win 10 Pro? What are you going to use your PC for?

 

Wait several months for GPU prices to come back down to sane levels and you'll have enough leeway to get an i5 8600K instead of the 8350K. 

[Alexander H]

Just now, Phentos said:

Why do you think you would need Win 10 Pro? What are you going to use your PC for?

What are the differences? Also doesn't 10 Pro have a exclusive game mode?

[Imbellis]

Here's a google sheet for fans; however, Don't go entirely off of the numbers - some companies fudge numbers. (I'm going to do tests in a year or so to validify some of 'em).

Tabs are at the bottom for different fan sizes.

Quiet PWM Fan Options

Here's a quote of some good, silent fans from: Quiet PWM Fan Options

Quote

For minimum noise and alright airflow (list in order from highest airflow to lowest):

 

Fractal Design - X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM @18.9 dBa

NoiseBlocker - NB-eLoop B14-2 64.3 CFM @ 16.9 dBa

be quiet! - SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM @ 15.5 dBa

Noctua - NF-P14s redux-900 49.3 CFM @ 13.2 dBa

NoiseBlocker - NB-BlackSilentFan XK-1 35.3 CFM @ 13dBa

I haven't used the FD's fan, so I'm hesitant to put it on (but the info about it says I should).

All of them are great - it's basically how much airflow you want and which one you like the look of the best.

1

2

I'd recommend with going for 140mm fans above 120mm. They're able to move more air with less noise.

 

Edit: You'd be able to put 4 140mm fans in the Carbide 400C and reduce the fan's power level. This would get you a very quiet configuration, but you'd have to pay extra for them.

[Phentos]

Just now, Alexander H said:

What are the differences? Also doesn't 10 Pro have a exclusive game mode?

"Game mode" is present in all mainstream versions of 10. And Game mode doesn't really do anything to be frank. 

 

Pro has mainly security (Bitlocker) and virtualization (namely HyperV) features that make it much more attractive to professionals, prosumers, and businesses. For gaming, none of the features offered by Pro really make a difference as compared to Home. 

[emosun]

I'm surprised you went the exact opposite of what I would imagine you'd change.

you're now spending 300$ on the cpu and cooler.... half of which is the cooler..... when you can just air cool a better cpu?

 

you're blowing 110 on a 750w power supply you don't need , you're spending almost as much on the board as you are the ram.

 

it's a freaking mess

[Energycore]

Just now, Phentos said:

"Game mode" is present in all mainstream versions of 10. And Game mode doesn't really do anything to be frank. 

 

Pro has mainly security (Bitlocker) and virtualization (namely HyperV) features that make it much more attractive to professionals, prosumers, and businesses. For gaming, none of the features offered by Pro really make a difference as compared to Home. 

Not just this, you can run Windows 10 without ever paying for activation. I recommend people do this because Microsoft's making money off your data anyway, selling it to advertisers so they can show you the ads that are most likely to make you buy a thing.

 

~Moved to New Builds and Planning

[Alexander H]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

I'm surprised you went the exact opposite of what I would imagine you'd change.

you're now spending 300$ on the cpu and cooler.... half of which is the cooler..... when you can just air cool a better cpu?

 

you're blowing 110 on a 750w power supply you don't need , you're spending almost as much on the board as you are the ram.

 

it's a freaking mess

I mean, for $40 more. It's pretty good and more well rounded. What's the max I should get on a power supply?

[emosun]

Just now, Alexander H said:

I mean, for $40 more. It's pretty good and more well rounded. What's the max I should get on a power supply?

and then you're immediately ignoring the more important problems

forget it why bother helping you at all. build looks fine , go ahead and buy it , see if i care

[Imbellis]

I'd also recommend that you go with air cooling. Overall, it's more practical than watercooling for this CPU. You could go for a Hyper 212 Evo on the cheap or a Noctua D14/D15(Best)/D15s for high end. I would guarantee that those Noctua coolers would be quieter than that AIO.

[Alexander H]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

and then you're immediately ignoring the more important problems

forget it why bother helping you at all. build looks fine , go ahead and buy it , see if i care

Jeez

[Alexander H]

10 minutes ago, Phentos said:

"Game mode" is present in all mainstream versions of 10. And Game mode doesn't really do anything to be frank. 

 

Pro has mainly security (Bitlocker) and virtualization (namely HyperV) features that make it much more attractive to professionals, prosumers, and businesses. For gaming, none of the features offered by Pro really make a difference as compared to Home. 

Thanks for telling me.

[Energycore]

Just now, Imbellis said:

You could go for a Hyper 212 Evo on the cheap

Don't buy a Hyper 212 Evo! It's so bad for its price. Here's a list of 20+ coolers that are better than it and cost around the same:

On 1/31/2018 at 3:58 AM, WoodenMarker said:

Tier 6 - Better Hyper 212's

    Antec Kühler H2O 620**

    Arctic Freezer 13 Pro

    Alpenföhn Ben Nevis Advanced, Brocken / ECO, Fera 3

    Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 2 / Slim

    Cooler Master GeminII S524 V2*, MasterAir Pro 4, Seidon 120V / S**, V6 GT

    Corsair A50, H55**, H60**
    Cryorig H7
    Deepcool Frostwin V2, Gammaxx 400 / GT, Ice Blade Pro / V2
    Enermax ETS-T40 / T40F

    FSP Windale 4

    Gelid Tranquillo Rev. 2 / 3

    ID-Cooling Icekimo 120**, SE 214X

    Lepa LV12

    Msi Core Frozr L

    Noctua NH-C12P SE14*, NH-U12P SE2

    NZXT Havik 120, Respire T40

    Phanteks PH-TC14S

    Prolimatech Basic 81, Panther

    Raijintek Leto Pro RGB, Themis Evo

    Reeven Kelveros
    Thermalright True Spirit 140 Direct, Venomous-X

    Thermaltake NiC L32

    Titan Fenrir EVO

    Tuniq 120 Extreme

From WoodenMarker's CPU Cooler Performance Tier List

 

 

[Imbellis]

4 minutes ago, Alexander H said:

I mean, for $40 more. It's pretty good and more well rounded. What's the max I should get on a power supply?

The RM550x would be more than enough wattage-wise. It's still a tier 1 and saving you $35.

Generally, I'd recommend that you go with semi-modular instead of fully. Your build isn't that high end, so money would be better allocated elsewhere.

A good Semi-modular PSU would be the TXM 550W Gold. It's got a $20 rebate (for a week) and a discount on top of it - making it a very good choice. It's a Tier 2, but that's totally fine with your build.

[Alexander H]

5 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

The RM550x would be more than enough wattage-wise. It's still a tier 1 and saving you $35.

Generally, I'd recommend that you go with semi-modular instead of fully. Your build isn't that high end, so money would be better allocated elsewhere.

A good Semi-modular PSU would be the TXM 550W Gold. It's got a $20 rebate (for a week) and a discount on top of it - making it a very good choice. It's a Tier 2, but that's totally fine with your build.

Is the build better than my first one though?

[Imbellis]

4 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Don't buy a Hyper 212 Evo! It's so bad for its price. Here's a list of 20+ coolers that are better than it and cost around the same:

 

 

1

I don't know where you got the costs as being around the same - from the ones I looked at (10-20) most are double to triple the cost.

 

Yes, I'd agree that all of them are better; but most aren't close to the cost ( windale, H7,  and a couple others to get a bit closer)

[Imbellis]

1 minute ago, Alexander H said:

Is the build better than my first one though?

For a couple things - yes; for some - no.

The GPU upgrade is good - a better one for cheaper.

The upgrade in cooling is a step in the right direction, but you don't need water cooling.

Most people would also agree that the case is better than the Inwin 301C.

[Alexander H]

1 minute ago, Imbellis said:

I don't know where you got the costs as being around the same - from the ones I looked at (10-20) most are double to triple the cost.

 

Yes, I'd agree that all of them are better; but most aren't close to the cost ( windale, H7,  and a couple others to get a bit closer)

I got bad picks the first build when it should've been cheaper. I took my time on this one and found cheaper card, better cooler, and more ram. I also like the board and case. And I'm find with having this type of cooler unless there is a cheaper one. And I am going to switch out the power supply like you said. And if there is any cheaper small atx cases with a ps shroud. Please tell me.

[Alexander H]

1 minute ago, Imbellis said:

For a couple things - yes; for some - no.

The GPU upgrade is good - a better one for cheaper.

The upgrade in cooling is a step in the right direction, but you don't need water cooling.

Most people would also agree that the case is better than the Inwin 301C.

I was thinking of the 301c. But isn't it matx? And the 303c is atx?

[Alexander H]

5 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

For a couple things - yes; for some - no.

The GPU upgrade is good - a better one for cheaper.

The upgrade in cooling is a step in the right direction, but you don't need water cooling.

Most people would also agree that the case is better than the Inwin 301C.

Just read your sentence again. Ignore my previous response.

[Imbellis]

1 minute ago, Alexander H said:

I got bad picks the first build when it should've been cheaper. I took my time on this one and found cheaper card, better cooler, and more ram. I also like the board and case. And I'm find with having this type of cooler unless there is a cheaper one. And I am going to switch out the power supply like you said. And if there is any cheaper small atx cases with a ps shroud. Please tell me.

The S340, Eclipse P400, and the Enthoo Pro M all have PSU shrouds if I remember correctly.

As I stated earlier, I'd recommend you go for the D14/D15(Best)/D15s. It's overkill for CPU, but would let you overclock and would be quiet while doing so (And also be usable for some higher wattage, future CPUs). Also, I'd check compatibility with the cases and the CPU cooler; the coolers are 160/165/160 mm respectively.

[Alexander H]

1 minute ago, Imbellis said:

The S340, Eclipse P400, and the Enthoo Pro M all have PSU shrouds if I remember correctly.

As I stated earlier, I'd recommend you go for the D14/D15(Best)/D15s. It's overkill for CPU, but would let you overclock and would be quiet while doing so (And also be usable for some higher wattage, future CPUs). Also, I'd check compatibility with the cases and the CPU cooler; the coolers are 160/165/160 mm respectively.

I do like the liquid cooler because of the RGB accent though. And isn't the i3 better than the i5 7600K? So shouldn't the liquid cooler be good?

[seon123]

Are you still going for a $650 build? In which case, why do you still have a $1200 build?

[Imbellis]

The TDPs of both the 8350k and the 7600k are the same at 91 watts - not really too high compared to some CPUs like the FX-9590 at 220 watts.

 

The Kraken X52 is a 240mm which is beaten by the X62, a 280mm radiator)

For comparison, here is the X62 (better than the X52) against the D15.(link) Although it is 2 degrees Celcius cooler than the D15, it's over double as loud.

 

And you're looking at a worse AIO than the X62.

 

As for looks - that's up to you. You could always replace the fans on both.

[Alexander H]

2 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Are you still going for a $650 build? In which case, why do you still have a $1200 build?

Changed it. Because I have a lot more breathing room and I have been earning money at faster rate.