Posted January 7, 2018 Alright, so let's break it down. From what I have been able to understand, you need the windows 10 update that fixes the issue, as well as a firmware update. Now to my question - where do one get this firmware update? How important is it that we get it? What happens if we dont? The reason why I'm asking is, there must be milions of people that haven't even heard about this kernel issue, and are not getting the firmware update. Are they all gonna get hacked? Or is it maybe not as neccessary as people make it seem like? I have the i7 7700k and a gigabyte motherboard if that helps, to see if a firmware update is out for my rig. A lot of confusion, and I have a lot of questions. I appreciate any help. -Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 7, 2018 Only Asus have released the BIOS update for Spectre yet, all the others have not yet released it thereafter all you can do is wait. Personal Desktop": CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot: SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro. Luna, the temporary Desktop: CPU: AMD R9 7950XT |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, spree said: Alright, so let's break it down. From what I have been able to understand, you need the windows 10 update that fixes the issue, as well as a firmware update. Now to my question - where do one get this firmware update? How important is it that we get it? What happens if we dont? The reason why I'm asking is, there must be milions of people that haven't even heard about this kernel issue, and are not getting the firmware update. Are they all gonna get hacked? Or is it maybe not as neccessary as people make it seem like? I have the i7 7700k and a gigabyte motherboard if that helps, to see if a firmware update is out for my rig. A lot of confusion, and I have a lot of questions. I appreciate any help. -Thanks this has been blown out of proportion by the media, for home use honestly i dont think you need to worry, i have an OLD chip and im just gonna take the gamble that ill be fine with out. Data centres and large commercial organisations yeah sure patch away Intel™ Xeon X5650 OC'd to 4Ghz | Sapphire R9 290 Vapor X 4GB | Vengeance® K70 & M65 | W10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, MrMarriarty said: this has been blown out of proportion by the media, for home use honestly i dont think you need to worry, i have an OLD chip and im just gonna take the gamble that ill be fine with out. Data centres and large commercial organisations yeah sure patch away I personally did the Windows Patch because it reduced no performance on my end and Meltdown was the more problematic issue... Since Spectre is hardly an issue and so far as we can see on the video above the BIOS updated microcode did reduce a little bit of performance on the first revision I will not be updating BIOS either when Gigabyte makes it available. Personal Desktop": CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot: SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro. Luna, the temporary Desktop: CPU: AMD R9 7950XT |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 17 hours ago, Princess Cadence said: I personally did the Windows Patch because it reduced no performance on my end and Meltdown was the more problematic issue... Since Spectre is hardly an issue and so far as we can see on the video above the BIOS updated microcode did reduce a little bit of performance on the first revision I will not be updating BIOS either when Gigabyte makes it available. Thanks for the answer. I think I will do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 17 hours ago, Princess Cadence said: I personally did the Windows Patch because it reduced no performance on my end and Meltdown was the more problematic issue... Since Spectre is hardly an issue and so far as we can see on the video above the BIOS updated microcode did reduce a little bit of performance on the first revision I will not be updating BIOS either when Gigabyte makes it available. Also because BIOS updates, atleast to me feel very unsafe. So much that can go wrong, and potentially hurt your PC forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 18 hours ago, Princess Cadence said: Only Asus have released the BIOS update for Spectre yet, all the others have not yet released it thereafter all you can do is wait. If you remember, and if you have the time, and if you are updated could you perhaps write here when the firmware update is avaible for gigabyte motherboards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Little bit off topic , but what will be happening on all PCs that are not updated on Win 10 ? (Win 7, 8.1...) And what about Legacy Cpu/MB ? Will they get their BIOS updated ? That's Really my question here... As I'm afraid of data loss at my work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author Just now, Roman848 said: Little bit off topic , but what will be happening on all PCs that are not updated on Win 10 ? (Win 7, 8.1...) And what about Legacy Cpu/MB ? Will they get their BIOS updated ? That's Really my question here... As I'm afraid of data loss at my work.. Well all supported windows will get the update. So that is windows 7 and later. Can't answer your other questions, hopefully someone else knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, spree said: Well all supported windows will get the update. So that is windows 7 and later. Can't answer your other questions, hopefully someone else knows. Well, i read somewhere that Microsoft is taking a gamble and they are updating ONLY Win 8.1 and Win 10. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author Just now, Roman848 said: Well, i read somewhere that Microsoft is taking a gamble and they are updating ONLY Win 8.1 and Win 10. So... I read that all supported windows version will get the update. Where did you read this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, spree said: I read that all supported windows version will get the update. Where did you read this? Nvm, just one of my trusted sites for it news... Well, untrusted now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 1 minute ago, Roman848 said: Nvm, just one of my trusted sites for it news... Well, untrusted now Asked a friend of mine, he got the update for his windows 7. So yeah, untrusted website from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, spree said: Asked a friend of mine, he got the update for his windows 7. So yeah, untrusted website from now on. At least that is some good news from it, because at my workplace we have like 200 Computers just on Windows 7 Enterprise. One step that could went wrong or some update that wouldn't install and everything could go really bad... We are planing to upgrade to Win 10 Enterprise but that is not now, not in near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 1 minute ago, Roman848 said: At least that is some good news from it, because at my workplace we have like 200 Computers just on Windows 7 Enterprise. One step that could went wrong or some update that wouldn't install and everything could go really bad... We are planing to upgrade to Win 10 Enterprise but that is not now, not in near future. Yeah, I imagine this must be tough for workplaces. Will you be updating BIOS on all of your computers in the office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, spree said: Yeah, I imagine this must be tough for workplaces. Will you be updating BIOS on all of your computers in the office? Well, if there will be any Bios update at all... We have new Lenovo stations with I5 6600 vPro, 8GB Ram and 256 Samsung SSD (not Evo , just some cheap ass Samsungs) So i'm not that afraid of performance loss (since they are not stressing it enough anyway) But still, more concerned about security breaches so... yeah. Definitely will be looking for any updates from Lenovo and deploying the update across all PCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 Author 2 minutes ago, Roman848 said: Well, if there will be any Bios update at all... We have new Lenovo stations with I5 6600 vPro, 8GB Ram and 256 Samsung SSD (not Evo , just some cheap ass Samsungs) So i'm not that afraid of performance loss (since they are not stressing it enough anyway) But still, more concerned about security breaches so... yeah. Definitely will be looking for any updates from Lenovo and deploying the update across all PCs. And how about you? As a private person, will you be updating BIOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, spree said: And how about you? As a private person, will you be updating BIOS? Hmm, Because i have intel CPUs on both of my stations No i think not, definitely not BIOS, i'm not using my stations for work, only for gaming so... That is just life a of a IT Specialist at my work. 2 Laptops, 1 Private, and 1 for a work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Author 15 hours ago, Roman848 said: Hmm, Because i have intel CPUs on both of my stations No i think not, definitely not BIOS, i'm not using my stations for work, only for gaming so... That is just life a of a IT Specialist at my work. 2 Laptops, 1 Private, and 1 for a work Yeah, I probably wont do the BIOS update either. However you should do the windows one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Author Damn this has caused me a lot of stress, probably more than it should. I still don't know if I should update BIOS, not that I think a bios update is avaible for gigabyte anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 No this is something old for a minor issue that Skylake and Kaby Lake had with hyper-threading on specific workloads, Coffee Lake comes out of the box with it fixed. Personal Desktop": CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot: SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro. Luna, the temporary Desktop: CPU: AMD R9 7950XT |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said: No this is something old for a minor issue that Skylake and Kaby Lake had with hyper-threading on specific workloads, Coffee Lake comes out of the box with it fixed. Intel Forcing to update to newest hardware ? And What about server class cpus ? What if someone on VMs or running algorithmic programs that are used to absolute max can see degradation in peformance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Author 5 hours ago, Princess Cadence said: No this is something old for a minor issue that Skylake and Kaby Lake had with hyper-threading on specific workloads, Coffee Lake comes out of the box with it fixed. Coffee Lake what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Author 3 hours ago, Roman848 said: Intel Forcing to update to newest hardware ? And What about server class cpus ? What if someone on VMs or running algorithmic programs that are used to absolute max can see degradation in peformance ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 10, 2018 20 hours ago, spree said: Coffee Lake what? That Coffee Lake is fixed against Meltdown and Spectre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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