Cheap 4K HDR10

[DevonNelson]

I just bought a 55" 4K HDR10 TV recently on Newegg (Just $300). Currently I am using my old gaming rig with my current 50" 1080p TV. It's a Xeon X5470, with a GTX 760. After some reading, I have found some people saying you need an older quadro card for HDR10 to be supported in anything other than DirectX. 

 

I guess my question is, what is the cheapest GPU out there that can output "true" HDR10? I don't plan on really ever gaming on it, and if I ever want to, I could just use the 760 for a decent experience. (The goal here is simply media consumption)

[Subtle Corruption]

4K, HDR10 has nothing to do with cheap.

 

If you want cheap you buy 1080P and some GPU that will do well at that res like a RX 580, GTX 1060.

[Daniel644]

step one, connect you computer to that 300 dollar 55" and see how HORRIBLE the input lag is at 4k just moving your mouse across the screen, then decide if a new GPU is worth it, CHEAP 4K TV'S HAVE HORRIBLE INPUT LAG, trust me I KNOW.

[DevonNelson]

With no plans to game, I can't justify either of those cards. I literally just want to watch TV. My Compaq from 2005 can drive a 1080p display no sweat, and isn't worth $5 at this point. There's gotta be a middle ground here

[DevonNelson]

2 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

step one, connect you computer to that 300 dollar 55" and see how HORRIBLE the input lag is at 4k just moving your mouse across the screen, then decide if a new GPU is worth it, CHEAP 4K TV'S HAVE HORRIBLE INPUT LAG, trust me I KNOW.

Part of why it is so cheap, is it is not even technically a TV. It has no tuner.

[DevonNelson]

I'll just do more reading on my own.

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, DevonNelson said:

I'll just do more reading on my own.

You can technically get an RX 550 and it supports HDR and has supports 4K

[Daniel644]

12 minutes ago, DevonNelson said:

Part of why it is so cheap, is it is not even technically a TV. It has no tuner.

even still, trust me, just connect the computer to that TV and look at the input lag before spending ANY money on anything more, there are rare occurrences where you get decent lag in "game mode" but many of the panels are just garbage input lag, I have to force mine to 1080p to be even halfway usable and I paid DOUBLE what you paid when I bought it 2 years ago

[maartendc]

2 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

even still, trust me, just connect the computer to that TV and look at the input lag before spending ANY money on anything more, there are rare occurrences where you get decent lag in "game mode" but many of the panels are just garbage input lag, I have to force mine to 1080p to be even halfway usable and I paid DOUBLE what you paid when I bought it 2 years ago

Perhaps he is just using it as a home theatre PC, so input lag is not really an issue if you are just watching video on it?

 

EDIT: The OP actually says he is just using it for media consumption, not gaming, not production.

 

So unless you plan to do webbrowsing as well.. no need to worry about the input lag.

[Daniel644]

Just now, maartendc said:

Perhaps he is just using it as a home theatre PC, so input lag is not really an issue if you are just watching video on it?

you don't understand, i'm not talking input lag that makes gaming hard, i'm talking input lag so bad you can TYPE A SENTENCE looking at your keyboard and look up and see the second half of the sentence show up on the screen and you move the mouse and click on something but the mouse moves so delayed from the input lag you actually miss the icon you where trying to click on, like basic windows navigation is abysmal.

 

I no joke could scroll down a whole web page the size of this thread on my laptop then look at the TV and finally see it scroll, i'm talking 100's of milliseconds of delay.

[maartendc]

4 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

you don't understand, i'm not talking input lag that makes gaming hard, i'm talking input lag so bad you can TYPE A SENTENCE looking at your keyboard and look up and see the second half of the sentence show up on the screen and you move the mouse and click on something but the mouse moves so delayed from the input lag you actually miss the icon you where trying to click on, like basic windows navigation is abysmal.

 

I no joke could scroll down a whole web page the size of this thread on my laptop then look at the TV and finally see it scroll, i'm talking 100's of milliseconds of delay.

I mean, that sounds pretty bad, but if you just have to navigate and click to open a file, you might be able to deal with it? Can't expect much for $300 for a 4K TV.

 

Also apparently streaming services such as Netflix don't offer 4K content for PC anyway, only for streaming devices like Roku etc. Something to do with copy protection.

 

https://www.techhive.com/article/3112868/home-tech/why-your-home-theater-pc-still-cant-stream-4k-ultra-hd-video.html

 

If I were you, I would just pick up a streaming stick like Roku that does 4K, one that perhaps has input for a USB drive so you can play your video off of a hard drive. Probably more worth it than trying to invest in an old PC that doesn't really do 4K that well without serious investment in an expensive GPU.

 

Another Idea is getting an Xbox One S or One X, which both do Ultra HD Bluray and HDR. You can pick up an Xbox One S for the price of a mid range GPU. Probably a better investment. (NOTE: DONT get a PS4 Pro, because it doesnt have an Ultra HD bluray player!)

[Daniel644]

Just now, maartendc said:

I mean, that sounds pretty bad, but if you just have to navigate and click to open a file, you might be able to deal with it?

 

Also apparently streaming services such as Netflix don't offer 4K content for PC anyway, only for streaming devices like Roku etc.

 

 

If I were you, I would just pick up a streaming

I couldn't and i'm not some PC snob that needs 1ms response times and 144hz or any of that crap, it was to frustrating to even try to do basic navigation with, it's usable at 1080p but still noticeably slower then the budget 1080p 27" IPS monitor I ended up buying to use for actual work on a screen larger then my laptop. I've been using TV's as computer monitors for over a DECADE now started with a 32" 720p Polaroid then the old school LCD 40" Samsung then after a few years got a newer model 40" and the old one became the new living room TV for my boss and now we have an LG LED 43" 1080p all of these have been excellent computer monitors with no noticeable lag in basic navigation (never tried gaming on them), but these 4k models are near unusable unless you get one of the few with a half decent Input Lag, this is WHY you NEED to research TV models to see which score well on a site like Rtings.com

 

here is the tested lag numbers for my TV

 

you want something no higher then 40ms to be usable for even basic PC use, mine at 1080p is double that and you can tell and is just barely usable at 1080p, 4k is a no go with my TV but there are a few exceptions like if the TCL Roku 55" 4k TV is the one he got and the black friday special was like the model reviewed here http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/s-series-4k-2017-s405 it actually has very good input lag and could be usable, if rtings has a review for his model it would tell us but it's just easier to hook it up and see how the lag is with your current setup because lag won't change going to a new setup because the TV is the source of the lag

[DevonNelson]

2 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

you don't understand, i'm not talking input lag that makes gaming hard, i'm talking input lag so bad you can TYPE A SENTENCE looking at your keyboard and look up and see the second half of the sentence show up on the screen and you move the mouse and click on something but the mouse moves so delayed from the input lag you actually miss the icon you where trying to click on, like basic windows navigation is abysmal.

 

I no joke could scroll down a whole web page the size of this thread on my laptop then look at the TV and finally see it scroll, i'm talking 100's of milliseconds of delay.

Not sure what kind of TV you got a hold of that was that garbage. Mine is a Visio 55" Refurb that was on sale for Black Friday (Still waiting for it to arrive, should be late this week). I've been around plenty of Visio's TV's, and can't really complain about anything like that.

 

Now, back to the original question. Cheapest new or used GPU that supports HDR10? Anyone know of anything?

[DevonNelson]

I failed to mention this, but my current TV is a rear projection Samsung, from like 2004. I've even played PUBG on it, and it wasn't completely awful. It'd be interesting to find a new LED TV that has more latency than a 13 year old DLP?

[awolive]

get a proper monitor if you are just looking for a big screen. 8ms response but 4k@60hz and 43". here's a pretty solid monitor http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/210-ahsq?ref=p13n_ena_pdp_vv&c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

[DevonNelson]

I already have the display I intend to use. I need a cheap-as-possible HDR10 ready GPU to drive it, hence this thread being in GPU's.

[DevonNelson]

6 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

You can technically get an RX 550 and it supports HDR and has supports 4K

Accidentally scrolled past this when wading through everyone recommending me $1100 monitors as a graphics card solution. I'll probably end up picking one of these up, and throwing it in the system. I thought the 500 series supported HDR, but I wasn't for sure. Thank you! 

[dragonhart6505]

6 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

I couldn't and i'm not some PC snob that needs 1ms response times and 144hz or any of that crap, it was to frustrating to even try to do basic navigation with, it's usable at 1080p but still noticeably slower then the budget 1080p 27" IPS monitor I ended up buying to use for actual work on a screen larger then my laptop. I've been using TV's as computer monitors for over a DECADE now started with a 32" 720p Polaroid then the old school LCD 40" Samsung then after a few years got a newer model 40" and the old one became the new living room TV for my boss and now we have an LG LED 43" 1080p all of these have been excellent computer monitors with no noticeable lag in basic navigation (never tried gaming on them), but these 4k models are near unusable unless you get one of the few with a half decent Input Lag, this is WHY you NEED to research TV models to see which score well on a site like Rtings.com

 

here is the tested lag numbers for my TV

 

you want something no higher then 40ms to be usable for even basic PC use, mine at 1080p is double that and you can tell and is just barely usable at 1080p, 4k is a no go with my TV but there are a few exceptions like if the TCL Roku 55" 4k TV is the one he got and the black friday special was like the model reviewed here http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/s-series-4k-2017-s405 it actually has very good input lag and could be usable, if rtings has a review for his model it would tell us but it's just easier to hook it up and see how the lag is with your current setup because lag won't change going to a new setup because the TV is the source of the lag

Might I point out my cheap and crappy $150 32" Dynex 1080p TV games and handles browsing and basic PC usage with practically no input lag? You're probably using an older Samsung with the Text preset or something. If you fidget with color and sharpness settings you can lessen or negate the input lag. Never use a cheap TV on out-of-the-box settings or even presets for PC use (or at all for that matter). Same applies for 4k displays. I've seen it and done it

[Daniel644]

39 minutes ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Might I point out my cheap and crappy $150 32" Dynex 1080p TV games and handles browsing and basic PC usage with practically no input lag? You're probably using an older Samsung with the Text preset or something. If you fidget with color and sharpness settings you can lessen or negate the input lag. Never use a cheap TV on out-of-the-box settings or even presets for PC use (or at all for that matter). Same applies for 4k displays. I've seen it and done it

if you read ALL my comments you would see where i've been over this, I have yet to see a NATIVE 1080p LCD TV have ANY Issue with input lag (we have used 2 old 40 LCD Samsungs) it's when you go to 4k panels the refresh CAN drop to total crap, my current TV is a sharp lc-55ub30u that is in PC mode for the input the computer is connected to and even when backed down to 1080p still has some input lag, it's noticeable but usable, my previous Samsung 4k 50" was the UN50HU6950FXZA and again the 4k on it had horrible input lag, I never actually tested trying to drop down to 1080p on that TV because I didn't have a desktop back then so it was only done connecting my laptop to the TV, again with the input set to PC Mode, outside of PC mode on both these TV's was even worse at 4k.

 

My point is if you are buying a 4k TV to use as a computer monitor be sure to research the input lag, because many of them are HORRIBLE, 1080p is far more consistent an experience as computer monitors.

[dragonhart6505]

39 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

if you read ALL my comments you would see where i've been over this, I have yet to see a NATIVE 1080p LCD TV have ANY Issue with input lag (we have used 2 old 40 LCD Samsungs) it's when you go to 4k panels the refresh CAN drop to total crap, my current TV is a sharp lc-55ub30u that is in PC mode for the input the computer is connected to and even when backed down to 1080p still has some input lag, it's noticeable but usable, my previous Samsung 4k 50" was the UN50HU6950FXZA and again the 4k on it had horrible input lag, I never actually tested trying to drop down to 1080p on that TV because I didn't have a desktop back then so it was only done connecting my laptop to the TV, again with the input set to PC Mode, outside of PC mode on both these TV's was even worse at 4k.

 

My point is if you are buying a 4k TV to use as a computer monitor be sure to research the input lag, because many of them are HORRIBLE, 1080p is far more consistent an experience as computer monitors.

You're right, my mistake. But like I said I've seen 4k TVs with much lower input lag than you're describing with customized color, warmth and sharpness settings. It can be done.

I don't really see why this is a discussion anyway. Most 4k TVs have pretty bad ootb quality settings anyway, even if you're not plugging in a PC. You know what usually don't have terrible quality settings, input lag, do support UHD and HDR and have every port you could imagine alongside getting bigger and bigger while remaining near the price of TVs if not cheaper?

Monitors. Just get a monitor

[Daniel644]

Just now, dragonhart6505 said:

You're right, my mistake. But like I said I've seen 4k TVs with much lower input lag than you're describing with customized color, warmth and sharpness settings. It can be done.

I don't really see why this is a discussion anyway. Most 4k TVs have pretty bad ootb quality settings anyway, even if you're not plugging in a PC. You know what usually don't have terrible quality settings, input lag, do support UHD and HDR and have every port you could imagine alongside getting bigger and bigger while remaining near the price of TVs if not cheaper?

Monitors. Just get a monitor

every TV needs tweaking out of the box if you ask me. I NEVER leave any TV at stock settings.

[dragonhart6505]

8 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

every TV needs tweaking out of the box if you ask me. I NEVER leave any TV at stock settings.

As you should...but most people don't. It's hit or miss how it helps, if at all anyway. Even between the same display. I think LTT even showcased this or mentioned it in passing in a video sometime within the past year or so. Maybe you'll get lucky, maybe not. It has a lot to do with the driver board, materials quality, display technology (LCD/Plasma/OLED) and, of course as you said, price

[Damascus]

I'm late to the party but any of the polaris GPU's will work quite well