VRAM for photshop

[Ansger]

Hi, 

same question, this time in its own post:

I'm in the proces of building a PC. The intended use is mainly photoshop and Lightroom. The secondary use is some light to medium gaming. I'm thinking of an AMD RX 560. The only thing I don't know is if I should get the 2 or the 4 GB model? The price difference is about 40 euro's. 

My budget is 700 max. (10 or 20 strech room if its really worth it. 
Country is Belgium (via Amazon Germany or Amazon France is also possible)

Thanks for the help 

[AdamH96]

I would go with the 4GB version, now this really depends on the size of the document and how many. When I am texturing in 8k x 8k, with multiple layers, sometimes multiple .psd files open I can use a decent amount of VRAM on my 8GB. If you are only photo-shopping smaller 1080p ish size files you could possibly  get away with 2GB but I would highly recommend a 4GB card if it's only 40 euros more.

[Princess Luna]

Actually you should buy the GTX 1050 because all those programs are meant to hardware accelerate using CUDA Acceleration which is nVidia meant, I am not familiar how it works with amd cards, I do know it has always been fairly behind on these matters so much that AMD focus on raw math nowadays to beat nVidia in cryptocurrency and such...

 

I'm sure that it will provide superior performance in both gaming and the apps you're aiming to work with while being similar priced I'd assume.

 

Also 2gb is fine as long as you stick to a 1920x1080p60hz display.

[Ryujin2003]

Take the 4. Games and video and photo editing can add up really which.

[Ansger]

Thanks for the reply! it's mainly to edit RAW images from the Nikon D850.

[Ryujin2003]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Actually you should buy the GTX 1050 because all those programs are meant to hardware accelerate using CUDA Acceleration which is nVidia meant, I am not familiar how it works with amd cards, I do know it has always been fairly behind on these matters so much that AMD focus on raw math nowadays to beat nVidia in cryptocurrency and such...

 

I'm sure that it will provide superior performance in both gaming and the apps you're aiming to work with while being similar priced I'd assume.

 

Also 2gb is fine as long as you stick to a 1920x1080p60hz display.

Want aware of the Cuda thing. The 1050ti shouldn't be too much more expensive can it?

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Ryujin2003 said:

The 1050ti shouldn't be too much more expensive can it?

If you got the 1050 Ti 4gb you'd be covered for good without any possible worries performance or vram wise, if you have a nice CPU you'll be able to play pretty much any game you want actually, provided you turn down those settings to low in some cases hehe.

 

Cheers!

[Ansger]

3 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Want aware of the Cuda thing. The 1050ti shouldn't be too much more expensive can it?

The 1050 Ti is a bit more expensive. 

The RX 560 is about 140 euros: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B076Y56S37/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3VCA88502XPM8&psc=1

 

The 1050 Ti goes for 150 euros: https://www.amazon.de/Gigabyte-GeForce-GV-N105TD5-4GD-Grafikkarte-schwarz/dp/B01M6ZANMP/ref=sr_1_10?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1511294329&sr=1-10&keywords=GTX+1050+ti

This 1050 Ti is a single fan card. Does this matter? 

I found another one (a 2 fan card) for 160 euro's: https://www.amazon.de/EX-GTX1050TI-4G-GeForce-Grafikkarte-Speicher-DisplayPort/dp/B01M6YD55M/ref=sr_1_8?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1511294329&sr=1-8&keywords=GTX+1050+ti

 

Other ones are more expensive (between 180 and 200 euro's) Which one should i get? I'm planning on a Ryzen 5 1500x on the Asus prime B350 plus motherboard with the 

seasonic m12ii-520 (520W) PSU, and secon hand HyperX DDR4 2133MHz 2x8GB RAM.

[Ansger]

Just now, Strike105X said:

A bit more to add,  personally anything between swapping out various hardware pieces my CPU made most of the difference, in image editing and various project that required lots of layers and edits (plus tracing/vectoring). Dunno if its the same for animation though.

 

(working in CS5 btw, dropped the latest ones cause i found them annoying)

I'm using Photoshop CC so latest version. It's for image editing

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Ansger said:

This 1050 Ti is a single fan card. Does this matter? 

No it does not matter at this level of GPU, a single fan is more than enough cooling, buy it and be happy

[Ansger]

Just now, Strike105X said:

For 10 euro definitely go for the 1050TI the performance per buck ratio is way better.

But does it matter that the 1050 Ti is single fan? (smaller card) The RX 560 that is about 140 is double fan (i imagine a 2 fan card will be able to keep cool longer and not thermal throttle)

[Ansger]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

No it does not matter at this level of GPU, a single fan is more than enough cooling, buy it and be happy

Okay, Thank you very much! 

Are there other things wrong with my build?

(I'm planning on a Ryzen 5 1500x on the Asus prime B350 plus motherboard with the 

seasonic m12ii-520 (520W) PSU, and secon hand HyperX DDR4 2133MHz 2x8GB RAM.)

[Ansger]

Also: the case i'll be using is the Zalman R1 (in white, as it is a PC for my girlfriend after all) To be sure: this case won't be a problem for the GPU? 

[Ansger]

1 minute ago, Strike105X said:

Yes RAM (not the quantity but the speed), if you could get something faster it would be great.

I can't get faster ram as the set i'm buying is 2nd hand. There are not much options here in Belgium on the 2nd hand market. The same quantity RAM in higher speed would set me back almost double the price, and I cant spend the extra 80 or so euros. I'm already stretching the budget a bit for the graphics card. The way i figure is that i would just buy faster ram down the line and flip the RAM i'm currently buying. 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Ansger said:

(I'm planning on a Ryzen 5 1500x on the Asus prime B350 plus motherboard with the 

seasonic m12ii-520 (520W) PSU, and secon hand HyperX DDR4 2133MHz 2x8GB RAM.)

Yes, there are a few things, the motherboard is perfectly fine.

 

However you should consider getting the Ryzen 5 1400 instead as it is cheaper and you can use its stock cooler to overclock it, takes at max a few minutes to learn how to, once you're running at 3.9ghz it won't matter if it is the 1500x or 1400 any more, they perform the same.

 

The M12II is not a bad power supply, however it has outdated technology, you should try finding any of the following power supplies in the black friday sales and acquire one to be safe, 450w~ ish is enough.

 

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HyperX DDR4 2133MHz 2x8GB RAM - I would deeply avoid it, Ryzen is veeeeeryy sensitive about ram and Kingston sucks, not to mention 2133mhz is as bad as it gets.

 

Ryzen cores unlike Intel cores communicate with one another through Infinity Fabric, which speeds depend on the memory frequencies somewhat to simplify.

So I would try finding at least something like Crucial Ballitix 2400/2666mhz to try overclocking the memory to 2933mhz (cheapest route possible)

[Ansger]

1 minute ago, Strike105X said:

If your buying used, and taking into account the high ram prices this days i can see your point, just do keep it an option in the future, it will improve things.

Thanks for the tip.

I can also get my hands on corsair vengeance lpx ddr4-2666 pc4-21300 16 gb (4x4GB) 

Is there a difference? (the 4x4GB is 20 euros cheaper)

[Ansger]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

HyperX DDR4 2133MHz 2x8GB RAM - I would deeply avoid it, Ryzen is veeeeeryy sensitive about ram and Kingston sucks, not to mention 2133mhz is as bad as it gets.

 

Ryzen cores unlike Intel cores communicate with one another through Infinity Fabric, which speeds depend on the memory frequencies somewhat to simplify.

So I would try finding at least something like Crucial Ballitix 2400/2666mhz to try overclocking the memory to 2933mhz (cheapest route possible)

I checked and the Hyper X is listed in the supported list of Ryzen 5 (i think it's called the QVL or something). Is there still a chance that it won't play nice? also the guy i'm buying it from already tested it in a ryzen 3 system, is there a difference?

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

Well its faster, so that's a bonus, though i dunno how well ryzen handles 4 modules. I suppose it handles it fine, but better wait for confirmation from someone with more experience with Ryzen.

Actually, ryzen dislike 2 things.  16gb dimms and 4 dimm setups.  Though I would personally get 2*8 if the 4*4 is cheaper and that will make it break the budget go for it

[Ansger]

11 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

However you should consider getting the Ryzen 5 1400 instead as it is cheaper and you can use its stock cooler to overclock it, takes at max a few minutes to learn how to, once you're running at 3.9ghz it won't matter if it is the 1500x or 1400 any more, they perform the same.

The price difference is 10 euro's. Is that worth the tradeof? 

[Damascus]

8 hours ago, Ansger said:

The price difference is 10 euro's. Is that worth the tradeof? 

No, the 1500x has a better cooler, better OCs and moar cache

[Ansger]

3 hours ago, Damascus said:

No, the 1500x has a better cooler, better OCs and moar cache

Thanks. I'm going with the 1500x. I can overclock that one when I feel the need later on and when I have the cash for a more beefy cooler. 

I'm going to order my parts now. Thanks to all you guys for the amazing help!