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Pascal Downclocking

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

That's stupid. But people on youtube show them being able to change the voltage on Pascal cards. 

What 1080 do you have?

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

That's stupid. But people on youtube show them being able to change the voltage on Pascal cards. 

I suggest watching JayzTwoCents' guide on overclocking Pascal GPU's, as he tackles the exact same issue you're facing at around 8 minutes.

 

 

Apparently you cannot go over 1093mV, even though they show you can get 1162mV.

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3 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

What 1080 do you have?

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3 minutes ago, ZyrtX said:

I suggest watching JayzTwoCents' guide on overclocking Pascal GPU's, as he tackles the exact same issue you're facing at around 8 minutes.

 

 

Apparently you cannot go over 1093mV, even though they show you can get 1162mV.

Can I BIOS mod it then?

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44 minutes ago, ZyrtX said:

That doesn't sound right..

17 minutes ago, tp95112 said:

That not right. Usually around 83. 40c is barely above average user idle temperature

this is what i'm referring to

 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Can I BIOS mod it then?

No idea, I haven't messed the GPU bios on my 1080.

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Lmao, good luck playing with Boost 3.0 

Easiest way to prevent this is to keep the temperature really really low, like below 30c low. 

 

You can try play with voltage curve in MSI Afterburner and undervolt it, some get much more stable boost clock by undervolting their card. 

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11 hours ago, ZyrtX said:

That doesn't sound right..

11 hours ago, tp95112 said:

That not right. Usually around 83. 40c is barely above average user idle temperature

 

@knightslugger is absolutely right.  Pascal WILL step down clockspeed bins as soon as mid 30's and will continue to due so as you climb in temps.  You can offset this clockspeed bin reduction with the "slider" offset, but you are basically increasing the offset to the offset that's already applied.  You're just forcing the card to do what you want instead of allowing it to follow it's own power savings features built in to the GPU itself.  At a certain point, you'll just trigger another bin reduction and you're back to square one.

 

The best and only true way to effectively overclock Pascal at sustained higher clocks is through cooling.  A Pascal card does not get it's best clocks at 40, 50, 60 or higher degrees.  Yes, it's completely within it's safe operating zone, but that does not mean it's not downclocking or that it's running as high as it would if it were at 30c.  Even if you set the offset high or set a high manual curve, the GPU will downclock the clockspeed unless it's extremely cool (think 20's and low 30's).

 

Voltage does very little for Pascal unless you are cooling it extremely well.  Often times, adding more just makes the downclocking triggers more aggressive (unless cooled). 

 

11 hours ago, BuckGup said:

On maxwell I could adjust the voltage but all I see is the core voltage percentage usage. So like 0% to 100%

11 hours ago, ZyrtX said:

I don't think you are able to directly bump up the voltage on Pascal, like you were previously able to on Maxwell anymore. You just set the GPU Voltage/Core Voltage slider up and it adjusts the voltage accordingly as load increases.

 

You can manually adjust the voltage curve/clock speed curve for Pascal.  Using MSI Afterburner, hit ctrl + f and a manual window for plotting your curve will pop up.  It takes a fair bit of use to get familiar with, but can be much better than the "sliders" that most people use or only know about.  

 

Here's a screen shot of the Voltage/Frequency Curve Editor within Afterburner.

 

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Here is my 1080 Ti SLI running at 2200 MHz on each card.  It takes a combination of low temps and voltage to get there.  You can see in the Voltage/Frequency Curve Editor that I have the voltage locked at 1.193v with the corresponding frequency of 2200 MHz.

 

FYI, anything past 2125 to 2150 gets pretty useless on 1080 Ti GPUs as the built-in power savings features are very aggressive on Pascal and prevent performance from scaling much further.

 

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12 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

You can manually adjust the voltage curve/clock speed curve for Pascal.  Using MSI Afterburner, hit ctrl + f and a manual window for plotting your curve will pop up.  It takes a fair bit of use to get familiar with, but can be much better than the "sliders" that most people use or only know about.  

Sorry for the confusion, I meant you are not able to directly dial in specific +mV, as you could on previous gen cards.

 

You can set up this curve in Precision OCX as well, as demonstrated in the JayzTwoCents oc guide I linked above.

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18 minutes ago, ZyrtX said:

Sorry for the confusion, I meant you are not able to directly dial in specific +mV, as you could on previous gen cards.

 

You can set up this curve in Precision OCX as well, as demonstrated in the JayzTwoCents oc guide I linked above.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Wow I hate Pascal even more now.

Liquid cooling is pretty much the bee's knees on Pascal.

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9 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

Liquid cooling is pretty much the bee's knees on Pascal.

True.  You can get any card to boost for a second or two, but unless you keep the temps really low they ain't staying there long enough to remain usable. 

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2 minutes ago, StrongCores said:

True.  You can get any card to boost for a second or two, but unless you keep the temps really low they ain't staying there long enough to remain usable. 

I disagree. This is an engineering problem that can be solved with more cooling. Dissipation is what, 250 - 275 watts on a 1080ti? a 360mm rad will keep that nice and cool. hell my thin 280mm AIO does a pretty good job... Liquid temps never go above 40.

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4 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

I disagree. This is an engineering problem that can be solved with more cooling. Dissipation is what, 250 - 275 watts on a 1080ti? a 360mm rad will keep that nice and cool. hell my thin 280mm AIO does a pretty good job... Liquid temps never go above 40.

 

I believe we're saying the same thing Ha

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4 hours ago, knightslugger said:

Liquid cooling is pretty much the bee's knees on Pascal.

Yeah due to heat density. I'll slap my kraken G12 on it and see.

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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah due to heat density. I'll slap my kraken G12 on it and see.

that's exactly what i did to my 1080ti. it's great, but make sure you give the 92mm fan some RPMs so that the VRMs stay cooled.

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