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Majestic_Koala
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Early 2018 I will be planning on a small, if not huge upgrade to my PC 

 

I will be getting a 1440p 60Hz monitor for Christmas (thanks, Santa) meaning i will have a 1080p monitor for work and the new one for games and media

 

So a graphics card is what I need, but if I can gather funds availible should i invest in a new CPU as well? 

 

Current System:

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i5 6500

16GB RAM

H170 D3HP by GIGABYTE 

GIGABYTE G1 GAMING GTX 1060 6GB 

 

Planned System:

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Ryzen 5 1600

MSI - B350 PC MATE 

EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 

 

i have a 550W PSU and don't think i will need more but if you think i will let me know 

 

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Just now, ImNotThere said:

dont get that mobo, msi am4 boars are trash, get an asus prime b350 plus

Asus Prime B350 Plus is really good for the price. With the new Bios there are no issues whatsoever regarding RAM or stability. 

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It makes no sense getting a Ryzen 5 1600 from an i5 6500 this is a side grade for the most part, if you want to make a wise upgrade without losing money update your motherboard BIOS and slap the i7 7700 on it.

 

Try selling the 1060 and replace it for no less than a GTX 1070 Ti

 

Otherwise you'll be throwing money out of the windows for barely no performance increase.

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

It makes no sense getting a Ryzen 5 1600 from an i5 6500 this is a side grade for the most part, if you want to make a wise upgrade without losing money update your motherboard BIOS and slap the i7 7700 on it.

 

Try selling the 1060 and replace it for no less than a GTX 1070 Ti

 

Otherwise you'll be throwing money out of the windows for barely no performance increase.

better minimums at 1440p for the 1600, smoother experience, it is an upgrade imo

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What will you do with the PC? The 1600 will be a sidegrade for many games. 

Which PSU do you have?

1060 to a 1070 isn't that big a difference. Get a card that's at least one tier higher than the 1070. 

MSI AM4 boards are pretty bad. 

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Just now, seon123 said:

What will you do with the PC? The 1600 will be a sidegrade for many games. 

Which PSU do you have?

1060 to a 1070 isn't that big a difference. Get a card that's at least one tier higher than the 1070. 

MSI AM4 boards are pretty bad. 

EVGA 550W SuperNOVA G2

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Just now, Majestic_Koala said:

EVGA 550W SuperNOVA G2

That's a good PSU, no need to replace it for anything other than Vega

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2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It makes no sense getting a Ryzen 5 1600 from an i5 6500 this is a side grade for the most part, if you want to make a wise upgrade without losing money update your motherboard BIOS and slap the i7 7700 on it.

 

Try selling the 1060 and replace it for no less than a GTX 1070 Ti

 

Otherwise you'll be throwing money out of the windows for barely no performance increase.

If you want a 1070 ti, you should just go for a gtx 1080.

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2 minutes ago, ImNotThere said:

better minimums at 1440p for the 1600, smoother experience, it is an upgrade imo

60hz thereafter minimum fluctuating isn't problematic. 1440p more work is shifted to the GPU than the CPU, experience will be "smooth" on the same level with both chips it isn't an upgrade it is a waste of money.

 

OP should focus on his GPU being frank at 1440p the i5 6500 can drive the GTX 1070 Ti / 1080 fine enough even if as a temporary solution for an actual meaningful upgrade at good pricing next year like a cheapo h310 chipset motherboard with a locked i7 8700

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CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

60hz thereafter minimum fluctuating isn't problematic. 1440p more work is shifted to the GPU than the CPU, experience will be "smooth" on the same level with both chips it isn't an upgrade it is a waste of money.

 

OP should focus on his GPU being frank at 1440p the i5 6500 can drive the GTX 1070 Ti / 1080 fine enough even if as a temporary solution for an actual meaningful upgrade at good pricing next year like a cheapo h310 chipset motherboard with a locked i7 8700

tbh with the money ops investing they should sell the 1060 and look into 1080 range(1070ti-1080ti)

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4 minutes ago, CyberFern0 said:

If you want a 1070 ti, you should just go for a gtx 1080.

Actually no the depending on OP's country the 1070 Ti is fairly cheaper than the 1080 and both GPUs are within the same performance in gaming after overclocking:

 

 

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CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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A 1600 is not that much of an upgrade. Instead, I would suggest you go for a 6700, 7700, 6700k, or 7700k. This should end up being a bit cheaper than a 1600+new mobo, and you might be able to use the money saved on a 1070 ti.

7 minutes ago, ImNotThere said:

better minimums at 1440p for the 1600, smoother experience, it is an upgrade imo

Yes, but not a big one, not to mention a skylake/Kaby i7 would be better than a 1600

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4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

A 1600 is not that much of an upgrade. Instead, I would suggest you go for a 6700, 7700, 6700k, or 7700k. This should end up being a bit cheaper than a 1600+new mobo, and you might be able to use the money saved on a 1070 ti.

Yes, but not a big one, not to mention a skylake/Kaby i7 would be better than a 1600

to be fair i was answering the question of should he invest, for an upgrade path, yes op should upgrade for that, ignoring kaby /sky lake upgrades

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5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Actually no the depending on OP's country the 1070 Ti is fairly cheaper than the 1080 and both GPUs are within the same performance in gaming after overclocking:

 

 

I can confirm that in the UK it is around a £40 difference 

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17 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It makes no sense getting a Ryzen 5 1600 from an i5 6500 this is a side grade for the most part, if you want to make a wise upgrade without losing money update your motherboard BIOS and slap the i7 7700 on it.

 

Try selling the 1060 and replace it for no less than a GTX 1070 Ti

 

Otherwise you'll be throwing money out of the windows for barely no performance increase.

Is there much of a difference between the 6700 and 7700? Apart from a higher min speed on the 7700, I don't see much difference? 

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1 minute ago, Majestic_Koala said:

Is there much of a difference between the 6700 and 7700? Apart from a higher min speed on the 7700, I don't see much difference? 

They're a different architecture, but the only real difference is the clockspeed. And the 7700 supports Playready 3.0, in case you want to watch 4K Netflix with the iGPU for some reason. 

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2 minutes ago, Majestic_Koala said:

Is there much of a difference between the 6700 and 7700? Apart from a higher min speed on the 7700, I don't see much difference? 

As interesting as it may seem I actually had both processors in the past.

 

I'd say that since you're going 1440p60hz either of the two would suffice and be equal to above the Ryzen 5 1600 performance, I'd personally get the i7 7700 because pricing is the same now and updating BIOS isn't much of a hassle but the i7 6700 is sufficient for the GTX 1070 Ti at 1440p by all means.

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6 minutes ago, seon123 said:

They're a different architecture

Wrong they are different family/generation alright but it is the exact same 14nm architecture, the architecture only changes when there is a node shrink or such, for future reference so you don't write something wrong on this matter if it has the same lithography it is the same architecture.

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Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Wrong they are different family/generation alright but it is the exact same 14nm architecture, the architecture only changes when there is a node shrink as such, for future reference so you don't write something wrong on this matter if it has the same lithography it is the same architecture.

But Broadwell has the same node size as Skylake? Aren't they considered different architectures?

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Just now, seon123 said:

But Broadwell has the same node size as Skylake? Aren't they considered different architectures?

They are different architectures, that segment with the Core i5 5675C was Intel getting down to 14nm for the first time, it always tries some sort of temporary in between stuff to finish getting the node shrink sort out.... Kinda don't take it into account since it isn't too "mainstream".

 

It is like going to be with Canon Lake and Ice Lake, both are 10nm yes but Canon Lake is still not the final 10nm architecture it is a "trial" into the lithography like Broadwell was...

 

To be more accurate though Skylake and Kaby Lake shares same architecture... it was only a polishing Intel did there... the lithography rule isn't always right it was my bad :P

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Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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