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I recently bought a 1070 and i'm concerned that something might be wrong with it.

 

I'm not running insane graphics or anything and I'm playing games like TW3 or Arkham City, and I keep getting issues with stuttering when I enter a new world or turn a corner in a city.

 

My 290x didn't have any issues like this with the same settings, so I'm worried that something is wrong with my 1070.

 

Any help is appreciateeed.

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Full specs?

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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Full specs?

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As usual:

 

Cleaned up the old drivers with DDU yet?

 

Maybe these games can use both DX11 and DX12. Try using the other one.

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most likely a cpu bottleneck.
have you removed the drivers with ddu before switching?

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

As usual:

 

Cleaned up the old drivers with DDU yet?

 

Maybe these games can use both DX11 and DX12. Try using the other one.

I have used DDU. I can try switching the DX11 and DX12 but I don't think they both run it.

 

However, why is it the 290x didn't have these problems and the 1070 does? 

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Just now, McHox said:

most likely a cpu bottleneck.
have you removed the drivers with ddu before switching?

yes :) but why didn't i get CPU bottleneck with the R9280X ? 

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3 minutes ago, RiqSha said:

yes :) but why didn't i get CPU bottleneck with the R9280X ? 

Maybe cuz GTX 1070 is twice as powerful of a GPU ?

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Just now, GitGud said:

Maybe cuz GTX 1070 is twice as powerful of a GPU ?

I was thinking that the 1070 could just be forcing the CPU to throttle, but I couldn't justify that with low settings. I could see that if I was trying to run ultra settings and the CPU couldn't keep up, but if the settings are the same...then I couldn't explain why the cpu would be the bottle neck.

 

 

I just want to make sure its not the 1070, are there are any tests you can run to rule out the 1070? 

 

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1 minute ago, RiqSha said:

I was thinking that the 1070 could just be forcing the CPU to throttle, but I couldn't justify that with low settings. I could see that if I was trying to run ultra settings and the CPU couldn't keep up, but if the settings are the same...then I couldn't explain why the cpu would be the bottle neck.

 

 

I just want to make sure its not the 1070, are there are any tests you can run to rule out the 1070? 

 

Monitor CPU and GPU usage in games. I prefer MSI Afterburner and the bundled RTSS to show live data in game.

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

Monitor CPU and GPU usage in games. I prefer MSI Afterburner and the bundled RTSS to show live data in game.

I have been doing that.

 

On witcher 3 (on ultra settings) the GPU runs at 100% usage but on the lower settings neither the GPU and CPU run at 100% both have enough head room.

 

Also, when the stuttering happens the CPU isn't at 100% usage.... so................ it isn't the CPU? 

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12 minutes ago, RiqSha said:

i5 4590 (Cooled with H80)

8gb gskill ram (DDR3)

1070 Asus Strix

600 PSU

128gig SSD

 

What resolution?

10 minutes ago, RiqSha said:

I have used DDU. I can try switching the DX11 and DX12 but I don't think they both run it.

 

However, why is it the 290x didn't have these problems and the 1070 does? 

Because the 1070 is more powerful.

3 minutes ago, RiqSha said:

I was thinking that the 1070 could just be forcing the CPU to throttle, but I couldn't justify that with low settings. I could see that if I was trying to run ultra settings and the CPU couldn't keep up, but if the settings are the same...then I couldn't explain why the cpu would be the bottle neck.

 

 

I just want to make sure its not the 1070, are there are any tests you can run to rule out the 1070? 

 

Check CPU and gpu usage while gaming. If the CPU usage constantly hits the 90s or 100% then it's a CPU bottleneck.

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I was thinking that the 1070 could just be forcing the CPU to throttle, but I couldn't justify that with low settings. I could see that if I was trying to run ultra settings and the CPU couldn't keep up, but if the settings are the same...then I couldn't explain why the cpu would be the bottle neck.

 

 

I just want to make sure its not the 1070, are there are any tests you can run to rule out the 1070? 

 

Have you tried playing around with settings in Nvidia control panel ? I usualy fine tune all my games from there to evade and conflicts with in game settings. Or run a synthetic benchmark like 3D Firestrike and see what results you get compared other with same or similiar specs, that could possibly indicate if youre being bottlenecked by something in the system.

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Just now, RiqSha said:

I have been doing that.

 

On witcher 3 (on ultra settings) the GPU runs at 100% usage but on the lower settings neither the GPU and CPU run at 100% both have enough head room.

 

Also, when the stuttering happens the CPU isn't at 100% usage.... so................ it isn't the CPU? 

What about ram usage?

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6 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

What resolution?

Because the 1070 is more powerful.

Check CPU and gpu usage while gaming. If the CPU usage constantly hits the 90s or 100% then it's a CPU bottleneck.

1080p resolution, sorry.

 

And the GPU is usually at 90-100% in TW3 ultra settings.

 

The CPU is usually below it. 

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That's a CPU bottleneck. The 4590 isn't fast enough to keep up. Crank up the settings or use DSR until you hit full usage on your GPU. This will result in no loss of FPS.

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6 minutes ago, GitGud said:

Have you tried playing around with settings in Nvidia control panel ? I usualy fine tune all my games from there to evade and conflicts with in game settings. Or run a synthetic benchmark like 3D Firestrike and see what results you get compared other with same or similiar specs, that could possibly indicate if youre being bottlenecked by something in the system.

I have. I ran unigine valley 1.0 and I think I had similar scores/fps averages as most people. 

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1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

That's a CPU bottleneck. The 4590 isn't fast enough to keep up. Crank up the settings or use DSR until you hit full usage on your GPU. This will result in no loss of FPS.

I'm not sure what DSR is, but I've brought the settings to ULTRA on TW3 and it runs with really high usage on my GPU. But I still get that stuttering. 

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Just now, RiqSha said:

I'm not sure what DSR is, but I've brought the settings to ULTRA on TW3 and it runs with really high usage on my GPU. But I still get that stuttering. 

Do you use V Sync ?

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I'm not sure what DSR is, but I've brought the settings to ULTRA on TW3 and it runs with really high usage on my GPU. But I still get that stuttering. 

Dynamic super resolution. I renders the game at a higher resolution than your monitor then downscales it back down to your native resolution. I have to use it in games like CS GO because otherwise my 1080 ti only sits at about 20% usage at 1080p ultra settings at the 300fps cap and I get micro stuttering. So I have to render the game at 4K to bring up the usage to prevent stuttering. Super first world problem :D

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Just now, GitGud said:

Do you use V Sync ?

I've tried vsync on and off to compare, but the stuttering is still there.

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1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

Dynamic super resolution. I renders the game at a higher resolution than your monitor then downscales it back down to your native resolution. I have to use it in games like CS GO because otherwise my 1080 ti only sits at about 20% usage at 1080p ultra settings at the 300fps cap and I get micro stuttering. So I have to render the game at 4K to bring up the usage to prevent stuttering. Super first world problem :D

I'll try this! haha

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I'll try this! haha

LOL if your GPU already has high usage i doubt it'll help. One more option worth a try is maybe changing power modes in Windows Control Panel, if its set to save power system might struggle at times.

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As always low members spouting nonsense about bottlenecks.

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1 minute ago, GitGud said:

LOL if your GPU already has high usage i doubt it'll help. One more option worth a try is maybe changing power modes in Windows Control Panel, if its set to save power system might struggle at times.

Darn.

 

I have it on performance power settings. 

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