Should I upgrade... (Bottlenecking)

[Angelz&Airwavez]

Back in 6th grade, I decided to build myself my first PC. I picked up an FX-6100 and a Radeon 7950. I was on a child's budget and at the time, it was the best option I felt there was. Since then, I picked up a "broken" GTX 970 for $20, and just purchased an Asus PB287Q 4K monitor because I do frequent productivity work. I play games a little more than occasionally, and I knew going in that I wasn't going to be able to play demanding games at 4k. I had to do some pretty extensive overclocking on the FX processor to even run games like Skyrim at 1080p on high at above 50fps. I know the 6100 is holding the 970 back, but how much so? The new Ryzen 7 processors intrigue me due to their thread count which would definitely help me in editing and CAD work. In terms of strictly gaming, how much performance can I expect to gain from upgrading to a Ryzen 5 1600x, or an Intel i5 7600k? 

Thanks!

[zzzzzzzhhh]

Gaming at the moment is the 7600K, though games only did really focus on intel optimization considering AMD weren't even a choice in the mid-range and high-end back then, but ryzen is changing the game and in the next few years it will be on top.

[ARikozuM]

You can gain a lot by going with either the i5 or R5, but I'd choose the R5 since your work can make use of more cores. 

[PeterPorker3]

First Of all, I would reccomend a Ryzen (1400 because it has the best price to performance) prossesser because an intel wouldn't give you more performance in gaiming due to that GPU, but will blow the i5 out of the water when it comes to cad or rendering. But to answer your question, yes, and a lot. Your current prossesser doesn't even support usb 3 (due to usb 3.1 ,3.2 and thonderbolt) which is quickly becomeing more and more obsolite. I strongly recomend upgradeing if you can. 

[geek on fleek]

12 hours ago, Angelz&Airwavez said:

Back in 6th grade, I decided to build myself my first PC. I picked up an FX-6100 and a Radeon 7950. I was on a child's budget and at the time, it was the best option I felt there was. Since then, I picked up a "broken" GTX 970 for $20, and just purchased an Asus PB287Q 4K monitor because I do frequent productivity work. I play games a little more than occasionally, and I knew going in that I wasn't going to be able to play demanding games at 4k. I had to do some pretty extensive overclocking on the FX processor to even run games like Skyrim at 1080p on high at above 50fps. I know the 6100 is holding the 970 back, but how much so? The new Ryzen 7 processors intrigue me due to their thread count which would definitely help me in editing and CAD work. In terms of strictly gaming, how much performance can I expect to gain from upgrading to a Ryzen 5 1600x, or an Intel i5 7600k? 

Thanks!

Go with the 7600k. If you live anywhere near a microcenter you can get super good deals on items. 7600k right now is 190$ and you get 30$ off your motherboard when you buy a compatable cpu

[PeterPorker3]

5 minutes ago, geek on fleek said:

Go with the 7600k. If you live anywhere near a microcenter you can get super good deals on items. 7600k right now is 190$ and you get 30$ off your motherboard when you buy a compatable cpu

I dissagree because he also does cad and video editing and becase of the gpu there wont be a benifit in gaming. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, MineParker101 said:

I dissagree because he also does a lot of cad and video editing and becase of the gpu there wont be a benifit in gaming. 

There will be a LOT of benefit when gaming if he were to choose an i5-7600K and high-speed RAM.

[PeterPorker3]

 

6 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

There will be a LOT of benefit when gaming if he were to choose an i5-7600K and high-speed RAM.

But won't the gpu be a bottleneck when it comes to gaming with the gtx 970? Also, people do more on a PC than gaming.

[Damascus]

13 minutes ago, geek on fleek said:

Go with the 7600k. If you live anywhere near a microcenter you can get super good deals on items. 7600k right now is 190$ and you get 30$ off your motherboard when you buy a compatable cpu

 

7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

There will be a LOT of benefit when gaming if he were to choose an i5-7600K and high-speed RAM.

No, both of you stop.  A 1600 costs less than an i5 7600k (at a microcenter it's still cheaper) an it will perform within margin of error in games and modelimg while getting about 50-60%+ increased render performance.

[ARikozuM]

8 minutes ago, MineParker101 said:

But won't the gpu be a bottleneck when it comes to gaming with the gtx 970? Also, people do more on a PC than gaming.

Yes, it will, but the 7600K will relieve whatever CPU bottleneck the FX-6100 was imposing. 

 

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

No, both of you stop.

What are you talking about? Are you going to argue that an FX-6100 is better than an i5-7600K or R5-1600? If you are, I'd like to hear your argument for the FX chip. 

 

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Yes, it will, but the 7600K will relieve whatever CPU bottleneck the FX-6100 was imposing. 

As will a 1600, especially at 4k when they perform the same if the 1600 ain't winning

 

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

What are you talking about? Are you going to argue that an FX-6100 is better than an i5-7600K or R5-1600? If you are, I'd like to hear your argument for the FX chip. 

Stop advising the objectively worse option.  Clearly it's better than a 6100 but not better then a 1600.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Damascus said:

As will a 1600, especially at 4k when they perform the same if the 1600 ain't winning

 

Stop advising the objectively worse option.  Clearly it's better than a 6100 but not better then a 1600.

I think you should go through the thread again. 

 

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25 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You can gain a lot by going with either the i5 or R5, but I'd choose the R5 since your work can make use of more cores. 

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16 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

There will be a LOT of benefit when gaming if he were to choose an i5-7600K and high-speed RAM.

 

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I think you should go through the thread again. 

 

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Oops, srry.  Tired

[PeterPorker3]

Just now, Damascus said:

Oops, srry.  Tired

Same

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Damascus said:

Oops, srry.  Tired

It happens. 

[Princess Luna]

Why have no one told him to go i7 7700 on the cheapest board possible yet? the i5 7600k on a Z chipset and aftermarket cooling is bad money management.

 

the i7 would outperform the i5 in both gaming and CAD applications.

[PeterPorker3]

Y

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Why have no one told him to go i7 7700 on the cheapest board possible yet? the i5 7600k on a Z chipset and aftermarket cooling is bad money management.

 

the i7 would outperform the i5 in both gaming and CAD applications.

Yea but its much more exensive than a ryzen 5 CPU. 

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, MineParker101 said:

Y

Yea but its much more exensive than a ryzen 5 CPU. 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($89.90 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $428.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-31 21:32 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($44.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Total: $454.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-31 21:34 EDT-0400

 

much wow

[PeterPorker3]

25 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($89.90 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $445.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-31 21:32 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($44.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Total: $454.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-31 21:34 EDT-0400

 

much wow

This is not a fair comparison, the motherboard is complete crap on the intel system needs a skylake cpu to update the bios before use. You are also using different ram on both systems. And why did you include a wifi card in the amd system and not the intel system. Even then, the ryzen cpu will still perform better in rendering tasks then the i7, even the r5 1400 will out perform the i7 in rendering despite the massive drop in price compaired to the i7.

[PeterPorker3]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Why have no one told him to go i7 7700 on the cheapest board possible yet? the i5 7600k on a Z chipset and aftermarket cooling is bad money management.

 

the i7 would outperform the i5 in both gaming and CAD applications.

Btw, the i7 is basicly the same as the i5 but has a higher out of the box frequency and has hyperthreading. 

[faziten]

5 hours ago, Angelz&Airwavez said:

Back in 6th grade, I decided to build myself my first PC. I picked up an FX-6100 and a Radeon 7950. I was on a child's budget and at the time, it was the best option I felt there was. Since then, I picked up a "broken" GTX 970 for $20, and just purchased an Asus PB287Q 4K monitor because I do frequent productivity work. I play games a little more than occasionally, and I knew going in that I wasn't going to be able to play demanding games at 4k. I had to do some pretty extensive overclocking on the FX processor to even run games like Skyrim at 1080p on high at above 50fps. I know the 6100 is holding the 970 back, but how much so? The new Ryzen 7 processors intrigue me due to their thread count which would definitely help me in editing and CAD work. In terms of strictly gaming, how much performance can I expect to gain from upgrading to a Ryzen 5 1600x, or an Intel i5 7600k? 

Thanks!

If you are not gaming at 144Hz+ and you intend to use it on CAD/Productivity don't even look at an i5.

Go Ryzen 1600(not X) it has the same overclocking capabilities than the 1600X.

 

How much performance can you expect in games? Well at 4K not much for sure (GPU is the main culprit there). 1080P is another story, the big chunk is in the minimum and 1%. FX was awful and still is. So maybe not much difference on max (worst case), but you can expect less stutter at least. 

Price/performance the Ryzen 1600 obliterates the 7600K/7700K. And of course any of them will be Miles better than 6100 for CPU heavy loads (more than double in Ryzen 1600 case). 

[sgloux3470]

Depends on the games.

 

If it were me I'd get a 1070 or Vega 54 first, then start looking at the R5 1600.  A CPU upgrade alone isn't going to unlock a ton of horsepower on the 970 (depending on the game in question) and you could start taking advantage of that 4K monitor with a beefier card.