Is 8700k worth?

[w0zzer]

Hey guys, 

 

first of all its a pleasure to make part of this community. 

So here's the deal: Im very interested in upgrade my desktop (mainly used for gaming, like 90% of the time since i have a good laptop for my engineering softwares) . I currently have an intel 4670 + gtx 770, and im indecise whether to wait for the new intel coffee lake cpu (which i claimed 8700k) or go for the 7700k.At the first sight the extra 2 cores should give me a performance boost, but i also notice that in other benchmarks thats not 100% true. For example, in gaming benchmarks the 7700k wins the ryzen 1700x which has more cores and threads. So, should i wait for the new CPU or go with the 7700k?

 

(if matters im probably going to equip with the gtx1070)

 

Thanks in advance,

Greetings

[Guest]

wait and see how 8700k performs then you can still buy 7700k if 8700k is not your cup of coffee

[Jurrunio]

Only time will tell. 8700k isn't even announced (or any Coffee CPU) yet, so buy the 1070 first. If you have a Z mobo then go for 4790k/4770k.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

if 8700kis not your cup of coffe

I see what you did there  Sadly misspelled the key word....

[tom_w141]

Lemme fetch my crystal ball brb.

 

Seriously though whilst I don't expect any IPC increase with Skylake Refresh Refresh, 2 extra cores is nice. I'd wait. Quad cores are dying (outside of the budget sector)

[ImNotThere]

well coffee lake isnt really a thing yet so i wouldnt wait for it lmao

[Armakar]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I see what you did there  Sadly misspelled the key word....

Covfefe

[Princess Luna]

You're up to a long wait, Intel won't release Coffee Lake any time soon, it would cannibalize their "low" end HEDT processors just how the G4560 killed the i3 segment.

[Armakar]

It's ridiculously premature to be considering a 8700K. Nothing big has even been leaked yet; it's far from launch.

 

Just get a Ryzen chip if you want a 6 or 8 core. Yeah, the 7700K is the king of gaming CPUs, but who really cares, Ryzen bottlenecks pretty much nothing. Same price, double the threads.

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You're up to a long wait, Intel won't release Coffee Lake any time soon, it would cannibalize their "low" end HEDT processors

I doubt it, the 8700K will (probably) not have quad channel DDR4 or AVX-512 or more than 16 PCIe lanes. So there are reasons to get a 7800X instead of the 8700K  

[w0zzer]

Thanks for all the answers!

 

I've been researching and it seems that coffee lake will be released this year, so waiting is an option, i dont mind. Of course i could regret but...who doesnt take the risk doesnt take the fish

[Princess Luna]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

I doubt it, the 8700K will (probably) not have quad channel DDR4 or AVX-512 or more than 16 PCIe lanes. So there are reasons to get a 7800X instead of the 8700K  

Then again you get the same performance for more than half the cost, I honestly think we might be seeing a little bump on the PCI-e lanes to 24ish due to the more and more increase of PCI-e SSDs popularity, 64gbs of ram on dual channel still is excellent too... not sure about AVX-512 though.... time will tell. [:

[PhaseShift]

If you are not in a hurry it's probably worth it to wait for coffee lake. Even if you end up not buying a coffee lake chip, kaby lake (and the platform in general) will probably go down in price.

[w0zzer]

This could mean is not a long wait? 

[Mr.Meerkat]

13 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Then again you get the same performance for more than half the cost, I honestly think we might be seeing a little bump on the PCI-e lanes to 24ish due to the more and more increase of PCI-e SSDs popularity, 64gbs of ram on dual channel still is excellent too... not sure about AVX-512 though.... time will tell. [:

Or just make sure that people can only buy m.2 NVMe SSDs and have a similar chipset to z170/z270 (i.e. dedicated chipset PCI-e lanes for m.2 SSDs, well when I say dedicated...they increased the number of lanes over previous gen chipsets.)

[Simon771]

Coffe Lake should be released by the end of the year if I'm not mistaken.

One thing I also noticed ... it will be on 1151 platform? It's info I got from wikipedia, and just want to make sure if that's true.

 

Anyone have any better infos regarding that?

[w0zzer]

9 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Coffe Lake should be released by the end of the year if I'm not mistaken.

One thing I also noticed ... it will be on 1151 platform? It's info I got from wikipedia, and just want to make sure if that's true.

 

Anyone have any better infos regarding that?

Yes, i heard that too, i also heard that the 8700k will have a base clock of 3.7Ghz so maybe the boost will be 4.0/4.2? Again, all speculation

[Simon771]

2 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

Yes, i heard that too, i also heard that the 8700k will have a base clock of 3.7Ghz so maybe the boost will be 4.0/4.2? Again, all speculation

I don't care bout default clock speed. As long as it overclock to 5GHz any beyond, users will be happy  

it makes me sad again, that those won't be soldered, and we will again see high temps ...

[w0zzer]

1 minute ago, Simon771 said:

I don't care bout default clock speed. As long as it overclock to 5GHz any beyond, users will be happy  

it makes me sad again, that those won't be soldered, and we will again see high temps ...

Probably it wont be possible to 5Ghz... This is to fight zen's AMD, so the primary feature will be 6cores,12threads. Maybe 4.5Ghz with cool temps would be nice

[Sadleast]

53 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

Hey guys, 

 

first of all its a pleasure to make part of this community. 

So here's the deal: Im very interested in upgrade my desktop (mainly used for gaming, like 90% of the time since i have a good laptop for my engineering softwares) . I currently have an intel 4670 + gtx 770, and im indecise whether to wait for the new intel coffee lake cpu (which i claimed 8700k) or go for the 7700k.At the first sight the extra 2 cores should give me a performance boost, but i also notice that in other benchmarks thats not 100% true. For example, in gaming benchmarks the 7700k wins the ryzen 1700x which has more cores and threads. So, should i wait for the new CPU or go with the 7700k?

 

(if matters im probably going to equip with the gtx1070)

 

Thanks in advance,

Greetings

I would wait. If the CPU isnt good the prices of others can be lower and you make a better deal!

[w0zzer]

Just now, Sadleast said:

I would wait. If the CPU isnt good the prices of others can be lower and you make a better deal!

ye, i will wait but i dont think the prices will go down, atleast in my coutry. Until today the 6700k is 340€ while the 7700k is 345€. 

 

Thanks for response

[Sadleast]

1 minute ago, w0zzer said:

ye, i will wait but i dont think the prices will go down, atleast in my coutry. Until today the 6700k is 340€ while the 7700k is 345€. 

 

Thanks for response

Here you pay 321€ for the 6700k but it don't need to be the K version of the CPU. Just wait and see what sweet things the time brings us  Have a nice day !

[w0zzer]

2 minutes ago, Sadleast said:

Here you pay 321€ for the 6700k but it don't need to be the K version of the CPU. Just wait and see what sweet things the time brings us  Have a nice day !

For me i need the "k", toaster power! haahahah. Thanks! you too.

[Simon771]

9 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

Probably it wont be possible to 5Ghz... This is to fight zen's AMD, so the primary feature will be 6cores,12threads. Maybe 4.5Ghz with cool temps would be nice

Skylake-X can OC to 5GHz ... well you do need to delid it because all those cores are producing a lot of heat ... but still it can be OCed to 5GHz.

Skylake can be OCed to 5GHz fairly easy.

 

It would be dumb from them to release new generation CPU, that will be running at lower clock speed.

 

Can't wait for coffe lake to hit the market. You will have option to buy X299 6core CPU or 1151 6 core CPU. That's already confusing me  

[w0zzer]

1 minute ago, Simon771 said:

Skylake-X can OC to 5GHz ... well you do need to delid it because all those cores are producing a lot of heat ... but still it can be OCed to 5GHz.

Skylake can be OCed to 5GHz fairly easy.

 

It would be dumb from them to release new generation CPU, that will be running at lower clock speed.

 

Can't wait for coffe lake to hit the market. You will have option to buy X299 6core CPU or 1151 6 core CPU. That's already confusing me  

ye but for warranty matters i will not delid it in 2 years. Also i'm not confident at the point of doing that by my own ahahaha.