Define S vs Define C

[Dreaper]

planning on doing x299 and the p360 ek kit please tell what you guys think is the better looking case/better airflow case

[grimreeper132]

Wait for threadripper before buying anything, as it may be better P/P etc. and better suited for your needs

[Dreaper]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

Wait for threadripper before buying anything, as it may be better P/P etc. and better suited for your needs

Dont need it and already bought skylake x plus the question was regarding cases

[risk]

Define C is smaller, I'm thinking Define S is a better choice as it'll will leave you with more space to properly lay out your water cooling components and would give you less stress when filling / refilling your loop (also, dual 360 maybe?)

 

Also, x360 is pretty much the same price as p360

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

Dont need it and already bought skylake x plus the question was regarding cases

oh ok right fine I still stand by the you should of waited, right for the case I personally think the C looks better out of those two, but personally thing the Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV looks better don't know how good it will be for water cooling though

[Raintech]

I was just considering between these 2 myself just a minute ago. From a few posts I've found it seems like the Define S is larger - Everyone seems to agree that in pictures it looks smaller in pictures. S has more room to work in, to fit custom cooling and AIO's, good upgradability if you don't mind the bulkiness. 

Define C is less bulky, so if you're not looking to watercool or do anything fancy it may be a better (smaller) fit. Also the Define C has a better PSU shroud apparently.
 

[Zando_]

@Ordinarily_Greater

[Dreaper]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

oh ok right fine I still stand by the you should of waited, right for the case I personally think the C looks better out of those two, but personally thing the Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV looks better

Oh yea i know that but that case has TERRIBLE airflow

[Dreaper]

Just now, Raintech said:

I was just considering between these 2 myself just a minute ago. From a few posts I've found it seems like the Define S is larger - Everyone seems to agree that in pictures it looks smaller in pictures. S has more room to work in, to fit custom cooling and AIO's, good upgradability if you don't mind the bulkiness. 

Define C is less bulky, so if you're not looking to watercool or do anything fancy it may be a better (smaller) fit. Also the Define C has a better PSU shroud apparently.
 

Define S doesnt have a psu shroud and they both can do custom loop cooling i guess but im not sure which one is better

[grimreeper132]

Just now, Dreaper said:

Oh yea i know that but that case has TERRIBLE airflow

aye I just added I dinny know what airflow was like in that for water cooling, so yea if it's shit airflow go the define C then unless anyone else knows of a good case for water cooling

[Zando_]

Just now, Dreaper said:

Oh yea i know that but that case has TERRIBLE airflow

With thick rads and a hastily planned loop, yes. But it's not TERRIBLE. And it looks sooooo nice! I've got the gray one, and I'm planning on keeping it for the next indefinite amount of years/until they get rid of the ATX standard.

[Dreaper]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

With thick rads and a hastily planned loop, yes. But it's not TERRIBLE. And it looks sooooo nice! I've got the gray one, and I'm planning on keeping it for the next indefinite amount of years/until they get rid of the ATX standard.

do you have a custom loop in it? the kit i got has a 60mm rad NOT including fans

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

do you have a custom loop in it? the kit i got has a 60mm rad NOT including fans

Not yet. I don't even have a computer in it, actually. I'm saving for a bit to make the jump to Ryzen and a custom loop. 

[Dreaper]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Not yet. I don't even have a computer in it, actually. I'm saving for a bit to make the jump to Ryzen and a custom loop. 

Do you think there is enough airflow in it for full custom loop? and if not are there any websites that are selling modded fronts or something like that?

[STRMfrmXMN]

8 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

Oh yea i know that but that case has TERRIBLE airflow

Both cases have quite good airflow, actually.

[Dreaper]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

Both cases have quite good airflow, actually.

We are talking about the Phanteks Evolv not the fractal ones

[Zando_]

Just now, Dreaper said:

Do you think there is enough airflow in it for full custom loop? and if not are there any websites that are selling modded fronts or something like that?

There is somewhere that sells a modded front panel: https://mnpctech.com/phanteks-case-mods/phanteks-primo-front-grill-en/phanteks-evolv-atx-vented-front-panel-white.html. I think the main problem is the front panel only having side intakes. With a push-pull fan config, it should be able to push air out the top vents. 

[Raintech]

After some digging around, this is what I've found

S is wider than C, and can support Thicker rads as with push+pull setups
C has a PSU shroud, S does not.

C has 1 less 3.5'' bay supported

General consensus is that both the Define S and C are very similar in terms of airflow - you should pick based on what you need, and what size you prefer. Custom Cooling and Push-Pull rads would benefit from S. 
 

[Dreaper]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

There is somewhere that sells a modded front panel: https://mnpctech.com/phanteks-case-mods/phanteks-primo-front-grill-en/phanteks-evolv-atx-vented-front-panel-white.html. I think the main problem is the front panel only having side intakes. With a push-pull fan config, it should be able to push air out the top vents. 

Isnt all the modded stuff on mnpctech pretty much out of stock or discontinued? 

[Zando_]

Just now, Dreaper said:

Isnt all the modded stuff on mnpctech pretty much out of stock or discontinued? 

IDK. Ask @Mnpctech themselves. 

[STRMfrmXMN]

3 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

We are talking about the Phanteks Evolv not the fractal ones

Oh yeah those are bad

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 minutes ago, Raintech said:

After some digging around, this is what I've found

S is wider than C, and can support Thicker rads as with push+pull setups
C supports MATX, S does not
S has a PSU shroud, C does not.

C has 1 less 3.5'' bay supported

General consensus is that both the Define S and C are very similar in terms of airflow - you should pick based on what you need, and what size you prefer.
 

The Define S supports mATX.

The S does not have a PSU shroud.

[Raintech]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

The Define S supports mATX.

The S does not have a PSU shroud.

Oh yes my bad, got the letters mixed around

[Raintech]

I think I've decided on getting the Define C as my build won't be needing any additional room, and I'm adverse to getting any water coolers for my future builds. I prefer using top-range air coolers for my builds. I'm an agressive overclocker and the only temperature I care about is the CPU temperature. If the CPU heat spills into other nearby components, I'll just upgrade the case-fans to deal with it. I'll probably never mount a radiator in my personal rig anytime in the foreseeable future, so I can't justify the bigger case.

If you think you'll use push-pull rads or get into custom water cooling, definitely get the S. The C might be capable of the same things later too, just its a bit smaller. You'll probably get the same hardware temperature readings either one you pick.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

3 hours ago, Dreaper said:

do you have a custom loop in it? the kit i got has a 60mm rad NOT including fans

I have a friend in G+ that does extreme waterloop in that case, my friend's username +Ryan 

Picture : his face