FOAM and BUBBLES nonstop

[jonwong966]

I have a massive problem. So I redid my loop yesterday and I had a few leaks onto my gpu's pcb. I thought it was going to be fine so I dried it off and left it in a room to dry for 5 hours. I plugged it in and it worked for the rest of the night. I was playing player unknown but after 30 min, my pc turned orange and froze. I thought the bubbles over heated the gpu so I tried to tilt he case so the bubbles can get out. But it was foam that was in the gpu block. I can't seem to tilt the foam out. Bubbles constantly coming out of the pump and I can't a win to stop it. I have 2 questions.

 

1. Is my gpu fine? I plugged it in to the pcie  slot but I get the vga led. After a few min, the led turns off and my monitor turns on but no post. My onboard graphics work fine when I unplug the gpu but I can't get the gpu to post. 

 

2. How can I get the bubbles & foam out? I have tried everything but I can't stop the bubbles from coming out.

 

just some information, the liquid is 80% mayhems x1 clear coolant and 20% distilled water. I didn't have enough coolant to fill the whole loop so i had to add distilled water. I thoroughly cleaned all components with distilled water. My gpu is a MSI gtx 1070 EK X I have 2 radiators 1 360mm rad and 1 240mm rad. 

 

Thanks for the help in advance 

~Jon 

 

 

[stealth80]

If I was you I would start by a total flush using distilled and in the meantime order more coolant or dye and treatment to add to the distilled when you finished flushing it through. Get like 5 litres plus. You need to find out why it's foaming, either you added something you shouldn't or there is masses of air getting in somewhere.

 

When you say it turned orange and froze, did you check for any leaks before assuming it had overheated? 

[vong]

11 minutes ago, jonwong966 said:

I have a massive problem. So I redid my loop yesterday and I had a few leaks onto my gpu's pcb. I thought it was going to be fine so I dried it off and left it in a room to dry for 5 hours. I plugged it in and it worked for the rest of the night. I was playing player unknown but after 30 min, my pc turned orange and froze. I thought the bubbles over heated the gpu so I tried to tilt he case so the bubbles can get out. But it was foam that was in the gpu block. I can't seem to tilt the foam out. Bubbles constantly coming out of the pump and I can't a win to stop it. I have 2 questions.

 

1. Is my gpu fine? I plugged it in to the pcie  slot but I get the vga led. After a few min, the led turns off and my monitor turns on but no post. My onboard graphics work fine when I unplug the gpu but I can't get the gpu to post. 

 

2. How can I get the bubbles & foam out? I have tried everything but I can't stop the bubbles from coming out.

 

just some information, the liquid is 80% mayhems x1 clear coolant and 20% distilled water. I didn't have enough coolant to fill the whole loop so i had to add distilled water. I thoroughly cleaned all components with distilled water. My gpu is a MSI gtx 1070 EK X I have 2 radiators 1 360mm rad and 1 240mm rad. 

 

Thanks for the help in advance 

~Jon 

 

 

Pic of the loop?

[jonwong966]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

If I was you I would start by a total flush using distilled and in the meantime order more coolant or dye and treatment to add to the distilled when you finished flushing it through. Get like 5 litres plus. You need to find out why it's foaming, either you added something you shouldn't or there is masses of air getting in somewhere.

 

When you say it turned orange and froze, did you check for any leaks before assuming it had overheated? 

I will try to flush it, but as for leaks, no i have confirmed that there are no leaks in the system anywhere

[jonwong966]

2 minutes ago, vong said:

Pic of the loop?

I have given you a video. I have unplugged the gpu because I wanted to test if onboard graphics worked and yes they do so the posting problem is definitely the gpu 

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[stealth80]

2 minutes ago, jonwong966 said:

I will try to flush it, but as for leaks, no i have confirmed that there are no leaks in the system anywhere

I wouldn't think the GPU would die (provided it isn't overclocked/modded) as it should thermally shut down - but that doesn't guarantee it isn't dead. If you had foam, you shouldn't have gamed, you need to ensure your loop is FULLY bled and leak checked prior to putting any components under load. Bubbles/foam have very poor heat transfer properties, so I don't know how the card could have shipped the heat away if it did try and throttle aka the shut down

[jonwong966]

Just now, stealth80 said:

I wouldn't think the GPU would die (provided it isn't overclocked/modded) as it should thermally shut down - but that doesn't guarantee it isn't dead. If you had foam, you shouldn't have gamed, you need to ensure your loop is FULLY bled and leak checked prior to putting any components under load. Bubbles/foam have very poor heat transfer properties, so I don't know how the card could have shipped the heat away if it did try and throttle aka the shut down

yea it was a bad idea. But i still can't boot with the gpu. The same problem as in when i turn on, the VGA led is on for a few min but after a minute or so, it turns on the monitor but nothing posts. Any idea?

 

[stealth80]

Just now, jonwong966 said:

yea it was a bad idea. But i still can't boot with the gpu. The same problem as in when i turn on, the VGA led is on for a few min but after a minute or so, it turns on the monitor but nothing posts. Any idea?

 

Does your card have dual bios? try the other bios and a cmos reset. if that doesn't work and you have all the power cables connected, RIP GPU 

[For Science!]

I think the card will be okay (just yesterday, we had someone game on a loop that was completely bypassing the card). However you need to show us your complete loop, a picture of the whole loop and if its not obvious from a picture a description of the flow would be helpful. Is there a reservoir, for example, are things that would be good to know about

[For Science!]

Also I can see you are using hardline tubing, and so my question will be: did you use soapy water to put the silicon insert tubing for bending? And if so, did you rinse the soap out before filling the loop.

[vong]

6 minutes ago, jonwong966 said:

I have given you a video. I have unplugged the gpu because I wanted to test if onboard graphics worked and yes they do so the posting problem is definitely the gpu 

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Hard to tell what the foaming problem is with that video. If the foaming didn't happen before you took it apart then it could just be from running the coolant through the system again and it'll eventually stop.

[jonwong966]

2 minutes ago, For Science! said:

I think the card will be okay (just yesterday, we had someone game on a loop that was completely bypassing the card). However you need to show us your complete loop, a picture of the whole loop and if its not obvious from a picture a description of the flow would be helpful. Is there a reservoir, for example, are things that would be good to know about

Here is a full picture 

the gpu is not plugged so I can check onboard graphics 

[For Science!]

Just now, jonwong966 said:

 

So is it a reservoir-less loop?, if so it is a simple matter of needing to fill it more, do you have a bleed port?

[jonwong966]

1 minute ago, For Science! said:

Also I can see you are using hardline tubing, and so my question will be: did you use soapy water to put the silicon insert tubing for bending? And if so, did you rinse the soap out before filling the loop.

I have used soapy water to insert but i flushed the system before filling with coolant and i did not have the same effect with the distilled water. 

[risk]

is that air or something else, the bubbles I mean, is your pump reservoir pulling air and vortexing ?

[jonwong966]

2 minutes ago, For Science! said:

So is it a reservoir-less loop?, if so it is a simple matter of needing to fill it more, do you have a bleed port?

its a bay reservoir. I had used soft tubing so i can pull out the pump and reservoir and yes i do have a bleed port

 

[For Science!]

1 minute ago, risk said:

is that air or something else, the bubbles I mean, is your pump reservoir pulling air and vortexing ?

 

1 minute ago, jonwong966 said:

its a bay reservoir. I had used soft tubing so i can pull out the pump and reservoir  

 

As risk says, you should check for vortexing, and fill the system more with fluid to stop is sucking any more air in, if you have speed control easing up on the speed may help too.

 

On another note, I've never worked with an inverted motherboard, but that GPU card sag seems quite extreme, is it still plugged in correctly to the PCIe slot? Perhaps its related to it not being screwed in, but its very saggy.

[jonwong966]

1 minute ago, For Science! said:

 

 

As risk says, you should check for vortexing, and fill the system more with fluid to stop is sucking any more air in, if you have speed control easing up on the speed may help too.

 

On another note, I've never worked with an inverted motherboard, but that GPU card sag seems quite extreme, is it still plugged in correctly to the PCIe slot? Perhaps its related to it not being screwed in, but its very saggy.

the reservoir is filled to the top and the gpu is not in its pcie slot so i can be on onboard graphics.  i will record what happens with the gpu when i plug it back in

 

[For Science!]

6 minutes ago, jonwong966 said:

the reservoir is filled to the top and the gpu is not in its pcie slot so i can be on onboard graphics.  i will record what happens with the gpu when i plug it back in

 

Don't turn your system on until you've sorted out the air bubbles, that is a completely different problem and you will only make things worse if you try to turn your PC on without adequeate cooling. I know its distressing, but one problem at a time, otherwise you may really kill the GPU if it isn't dead already

[jonwong966]

2 minutes ago, jonwong966 said:

the reservoir is filled to the top and the gpu is not in its pcie slot so i can be on onboard graphics.  i will record what happens with the gpu when i plug it back in

 

Here is the video. At around 1:17 my monitor turned on and the VGA led turns off 

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[jonwong966]

Just now, jonwong966 said:

Here is the video. At around 1:17 my monitor turned on and the VGA led turns off 

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EDIT I did this before you told me to not test it but I have been running my pc without the gpu powered and plugged into the motherboard 

[For Science!]

Out of ideas, the Mayhems X1 is 10 % glycerol and so the viscosity will be higher compared to just distilled water should could be contributing to more vortexing. Either slow down the pump significantly or consider getting an anti-vortexing plug or something for the pump.

[jonwong966]

40 minutes ago, For Science! said:

Out of ideas, the Mayhems X1 is 10 % glycerol and so the viscosity will be higher compared to just distilled water should could be contributing to more vortexing. Either slow down the pump significantly or consider getting an anti-vortexing plug or something for the pump.

I don't think i can change the speed at what the pump goes at, and can you give me an example of an anti-vortexing plug?

[For Science!]

Just now, jonwong966 said:

I don't think i can change the speed at what the pump goes at, and can you give me an example of an anti-vortexing plug?

which bay res pump combo are you using?

[jonwong966]

Just now, For Science! said:

which bay res pump combo are you using?

I believe it is a xspc x20 dc 750