Advice on CPU upgrade.

[quiffghtyu]

Hi all,

Currently I have an i5 4690k and I feel as if it isn't really holding it's own with the GTX 1070 I have. I am unable to run games with any settings above medium in order to get a stable 60 fps, anything higher will range in the mid 40's. Although when overclocked I could run any game at max settings with a stable 60, but for some reason I can't get an overclock that doesn't cause a boot failure! I made a recent post about that but got no replies, so I am running at the base speed of 3.5 Ghz. I'm thinking about just upgrading my CPU entirely, money isn't really an issue to an extent, such as no 5960X's. But the new Ryzen chips and some i7's will definitely be taken into consideration. 

 

Any advice is very much appreciated,

 Thanks  

[Dragon-Guy]

Hi there!

 

if you are only looking for gaming i would recommend intel if money isnt a problem

AMD is more suited for multitasking and video editing

[quiffghtyu]

Just now, Dragon-Guy said:

Hi there!

 

if you are only looking for gaming i would recommend intel if money isnt a problem

AMD is more suited for multitasking and video editing

Yeah I'm only interested in playing games, no video editing and stuff like that. I was thinking a 7700K?

[My2t1c]

Just now, DiscoDuck101 said:

Yeah I'm only interested in playing games, no video editing and stuff like that. I was thinking a 7700K?

7700k is a good Choice in my Opinion

[Dragon-Guy]

1 minute ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

Yeah I'm only interested in playing games, no video editing and stuff like that. I was thinking a 7700K?

Hmm,well again if money isnt a problem this is a realy good chip,

 

i am running an FX 8300 8 core 3.3ghz,the thing runs ANY game i have flawlesly at 1080p

 

if a AMD chip not ment for gaming can do that im failry shure the one you are thinking off will have you set for a good while,but dont quote me on it,im not an expert

[Dragon-Guy]

3 minutes ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

Yeah I'm only interested in playing games, no video editing and stuff like that. I was thinking a 7700K?

BUT REMEMMBER

Make shure the chip you are buying fits on your motherboard in the first place,dont impluse buy

[quiffghtyu]

2 minutes ago, Dragon-Guy said:

BUT REMEMMBER

Make shure the chip you are buying fits on your motherboard in the first place,dont impluse buy

Oh yeah I'm not that incompetent . I will sell my other hardware anyway so it won't be as much of a big hit to the wallet!

[quiffghtyu]

6 minutes ago, My2t1c said:

7700k is a good Choice in my Opinion

Not too badly priced at the moment either, £300.

[Jurrunio]

Did you push the voltage up when overclocking? the 4690k isn't bad enough to hold the 1070 back atm. In the future, you might want to get a 4770k or 4790k. It's not necessary to get into a new platform yet.

[Dragon-Guy]

1 minute ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

Oh yeah I'm not that incompetent . I will sell my other hardware anyway so it won't be as much of a big hit to the wallet!

good,however are you shure nothing else will bottleneck the pc after switching to the new cpu?

[Dragon-Guy]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Did you push the voltage up when overclocking? the 4690k isn't bad enough to hold the 1070 back atm. In the future, you might want to get a 4770k or 4790k. It's not necessary to get into a new platform yet.

hello,its better to not overclock if he can avoid it,considering that to big of a load on a cpu could cause some nasty things if the voltage its alowed to use s to high

[quiffghtyu]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Did you push the voltage up when overclocking? the 4690k isn't bad enough to hold the 1070 back atm. In the future, you might want to get a 4770k or 4790k. It's not necessary to get into a new platform yet.

Yes I did! I followed many guides and instructions on how to overclock properly. From what I remember it was 4.3Ghz at 1.3V. You were the only person who replied on my thread about it!

[Princess Luna]

I don't particularly believe a 4690k can't keep up with a 1070 fine enough, sure it will bottleneck on those really cpu intensive titles but not too much... How is your thermals? Could be throttling and capping it's performance... 

 

Even if the CPU is holding your back I would wait coffee lake to upgrade it.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

Yes I did! I followed many guides and instructions on how to overclock properly. From what I remember it was 4.3Ghz at 1.3V. You were the only person who replied on my thread about it!

Maybe an unhealthy chip (silicon lottery fail). Aim for unlocked Haswell i7s so you don't have to get new mobo, ram as such. Maybe more cores will be better in the future, but I'd wait till that becomes true to spend a large sum of money on a CPU.

[quiffghtyu]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I don't particularly believe a 4690k can't keep up with a 1070 fine enough, sure it will bottleneck on those really cpu intensive titles but not too much... How is your thermals? Could be throttling and capping it's performance... 

 

Even if the CPU is holding your back I would wait coffee lake to upgrade it.

My thermals are great, I get around 25-30 C on idle and about 50-60 C at full load. I'm not in any kind of rush to change things about. IT's just something I've been thinking about recently and would like some other opinions on. If I could get my CPU back to a stable overclock without causing boot failures, I wouldn't be thinking about this  . If you have any idea what could be going wrong, I'd appreciate if you had a look at my thread about the OC problem, here's the link:

 

[quiffghtyu]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Maybe an unhealthy chip (silicon lottery fail). Aim for unlocked Haswell i7s so you don't have to get new mobo, ram as such. Maybe more cores will be better in the future, but I'd wait till that becomes true to spend a large sum of money on a CPU.

Yeah that could be a possibility, like I said to Princess Cadence, I'm in no rush to change things. I will just wait and see if any new amazing chips come out or there is some sort of development with the number of cores situation you mentioned.

[MyName13]

I don't think it's a bottleneck, even a Pentium g4560 won't bottleneck anything meant for 60 fps.

[Princess Luna]

26 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

I don't think it's a bottleneck, even a Pentium g4560 won't bottleneck anything meant for 60 fps.

Not entirely accurate certain games such as AC Unity are so demanding on the CPU that a g4560 can't maintein 60fps smoothly... Whether it is bad optimaztion or not that's another story...

[MyName13]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Not entirely accurate certain games such as AC Unity are so demanding on the CPU that a g4560 can't maintein 60fps smoothly... Whether it is bad optimaztion or not that's another story...

But i5 certainly won't bottleneck.

[DDR69]

Highly doubt the overclocked 4690k at 4.3 will bottleneck a 1070 has hard as you say must be something else up. Even my 1060 with the 4690k at 1440p on bf1 on ultra (post process medium) holds at 60 with vsync on easy as you like. 

[typographie]

1 hour ago, MyName13 said:

But i5 certainly won't bottleneck.

There's no such thing as a CPU that "certainly won't bottleneck." You can find a CPU bottleneck with any hardware combination, it's just a question of how contrived a scenario you need in order to produce it. With an uncapped framerate, you can definitely hit a CPU limit somewhere with a modern i5 and GTX 1070. It's just rare to see it happen at or below 60 FPS, so for most people their framerate cap or vsync is usually their earliest bottleneck.

[quiffghtyu]

Just now, DDR69 said:

Highly doubt the overclocked 4690k at 4.3 will bottleneck a 1070 has hard as you say must be something else up. Even my 1060 with the 4690k at 1440p on bf1 on ultra (post process medium) holds at 60 with vsync on easy as you like. 

It's not when overclocked. When overclocked I can run anything on V high to ultra at 60. But like I've said I have been having issues with overclocking so I am currently at the base clock of 3.5 Ghz. This, I believe, is what's causing the bottleneck.

[typographie]

12 minutes ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

This, I believe, is what's causing the bottleneck.

The problem I have with this is that you said going from medium to higher settings continues to drop your framerate. If you're truly CPU-limited (and therefore your GPU theoretically has more to give), those settings should be practically "free" until you shift the bottleneck back to the GPU. And shifting the bottleneck back to a GTX 1070 at 1080p and sub-60 FPS is something I don't expect to see often.

 

What game(s) are you playing where you're noticing this? That's really required information whenever you're discussing CPU demand.

 

Have you checked CPU usage utilities to see if you're actually pushing all four cores to ~100%?

[quiffghtyu]

1 minute ago, typographie said:

The problem I have with this is that you said going from medium to higher settings continues to drop your framerate. If you're truly CPU-limited (and therefore your GPU theoretically has more to give), those settings should be practically "free" until you shift the bottleneck back to the GPU. And shifting the bottleneck back to a GTX 1070 at 1080p and sub-60 FPS is something I don't expect to see often.

 

What game(s) are you playing where you're noticing this? That's really required information whenever you're discussing CPU demand.

 

Have you checked CPU usage utilities to see if you're actually pushing all four cores to ~100%?

GTA V in high density areas, such as a lot of grass/traffic.

CSGO has dropped from around 250 fps to about 100.

PUBG - 40-50 on lowest settings.

Black Desert Online - 60 ish at low.

Cities Skylines - around 50-60 at medium.

Rust - 40 to 50 on the lowest settings.

 

I am using a 2560 x 1080 display.

[typographie]

5 minutes ago, DiscoDuck101 said:

CSGO has dropped from around 250 fps to about 100.

What happened when you started seeing ~100 FPS instead? Any hardware change there?

 

Figures… Cities: Skylines is the only one of those I own.  It is notorious for having some optimization problems, though. I can force it down into the 20's if I load up a big enough city and zoom in to the right areas. That's with my i5-6600K at 4.5 GHz and GTX 1070. Neither component maxes out when I do that, either.