Streaming PC Advice

[indexikki]

So I'm building an exclusive PC for 1080p / 60 fps Streaming and I need advice about capture cards and other stuff I know nothing about

 

the build itself is nothing complicated it's Ryzen 7 1700, B350 Asus Prime, 16GB DDR4 amd RX 580, this build is more than enough for the games i'm planning to stream, (not demanding at all). 

Since I have 0 knowledge when it comes to streaming, I could really use any info i can get. like I heard some people use 2 PC for streaming... is it necessary ? is there a way to do it on 1 PC only? any performance issues? 

Also, I heard people use Elgato capture cards for steaming, can anyone explain how it works and do I actually need it? (please keep in mind I would want to offer the best possible stream quality to my viewers) 

Basically, like i said, i need all the info about extra hardware, software and everything else streaming related. all i know is that i don't need a camera, I don't like when people stream with their face on.

my internet connection is pretty good, 100mb/s fo. 

[grimreeper132]

you can do it with 1 PC yes, especially with ryzen as the extra cores make the stream alot better in quality as for how I don't stream and haven't looked into how you do so couldny tell you

[AvocadosGuac]

a 1700 will be able to handle all of the streaming (and gaming)on its own...is your internet 100 100? or like 100/10? 10mbps upload might not be enough for 1080p 60.

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

you can do it with 1 PC yes, especially with ryzen as the extra cores make the stream alot better in quality as for how I don't stream and haven't looked into how you do so couldny tell you

Glad to hear that, how about Elgato? do I need it?

[ErwinRommel]

The only thing I can really say is that from previous experience it is possible with one pc if you have a fairly good one and a FAST internet speed but dont expect to hit a contast 60fps 1080p with a extreme bitrate.

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, Jrock said:

a 1700 will be able to handle all of the streaming (and gaming)on its own...is your internet 100 100? or like 100/10? 10mbps upload might not be enough for 1080p 60.

it's 100download 100upload

[grimreeper132]

Just now, indexikki said:

Glad to hear that, how about Elgato? do I need it?

as I said I dinny stream etc. so don't know possibly possibly not, there might be other better programes to uses I simply don't know

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, ErwinRommel said:

The only thing I can really say is that from previous experience it is possible with one pc if you have a fairly good one and a FAST internet speed but dont expect to hit a contast 60fps 1080p with a extreme bitrate.

so what would I need to maximize the quality then?

[AvocadosGuac]

Just now, indexikki said:

it's 100download 100upload

Perfect. I would stretch your budget and put a 1070 in there. Ive noticed my 1070 falls behind even only at 1080p at ULTRA with everything up.

[AvocadosGuac]

2 minutes ago, ErwinRommel said:

The only thing I can really say is that from previous experience it is possible with one pc if you have a fairly good one and a FAST internet speed but dont expect to hit a contast 60fps 1080p with a extreme bitrate.

Do you know what you're talking about?

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, Jrock said:

Perfect. I would stretch your budget and put a 1070 in there. Ive noticed my 1070 falls behind even only at 1080p at ULTRA with everything up.

The thing is, i'm aiming for rather outdated games that are not demanding at all, i get zillion fps when NOT STREAMING in such games with a lot weaker cards than 1070/580

does Streaming change that?

[AvocadosGuac]

Ok. Not aiming for GTA V/ other really intensive games?

 

the 580 would be good if you can get it while in stock...

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, Jrock said:

Ok. Not aiming for GTA V/ other really intensive games?

 

the 580 would be good if you can get it while in stock...

Nonono :)) no GTA, Division, TR, Crysis. but let's forget about individual titles for a second

let's say there is a game A that I can play on 60-100 FPS, will streaming the same game on same settings drop my FPS? and how bad? 

also I really need to find out about the Elgato external card, I've heard many controversial statements about this, so i can't figure out whether I actually need it or not

[kirashi]

29 minutes ago, Jrock said:

a 1700 will be able to handle all of the streaming (and gaming)on its own...is your internet 100 100? or like 100/10? 10mbps upload might not be enough for 1080p 60.

Can confirm; just recently I started streaming to YouTube via OBS using the same PC I game with, linked in my signature. Streaming 1440p60@6144kbps uses between 7-9mbps upstream. Dialing it down to 1080p60@6144kbps uses about 6-8mbps, and streaming 1080p30@6144kbps uses around 4-6mbps.

 

My framerates do drop a little bit, but that's because of my GTX950 GPU and not the i7-4790K I'm running. CPU load playing overwatch is between 15%-35% average. If I stream at the same time, it only goes up about 10%-20% on average. I'm not too concerned though, since I've never been the type to need the best framerates, especially since my monitors only run at 60Hz anyway. As long as I can maintain a lofty 72FPS average, we're good.

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, kirashi said:

Can confirm; just recently I started streaming to YouTube via OBS using the same PC I game with, linked in my signature. Streaming 1440p60@6144kbps uses between 7-9mbps upstream. Dialing it down to 1080p60@6144kbps uses about 6-8mbps, and streaming 1080p30@6144kbps uses around 4-6mbps.

 

My framerates do drop a little bit, but that's because of my GTX950 GPU and not the i7-4790K I'm running. CPU load playing overwatch is between 15%-35% average. If I stream at the same time, it only goes up about 10%-20% on average. I'm not too concerned though, since I've never been the type to need the best framerates, especially since my monitors only run at 60Hz anyway. As long as I can maintain a lofty 72FPS average, we're good.

Here is the list of games i'm planning to Stream

1. World of Warcraft

2. 7 Days to Die

3. Moded Skyrim

 

So, the R7 1700+RX 580 16GB RAM

100mb/100mb connection

 

is this setup enough to Stream at 1080p/60 the games in my list on best quality and if not, then what exactly do I need to change / add 

also about Elgato, do I need one?

[kirashi]

Just now, indexikki said:

Here is the list of games i'm planning to Stream

1. World of Warcraft

2. 7 Days to Die

3. Moded Skyrim

 

So, the R7 1700+RX 580 16GB RAM

100mb/100mb connection

 

is this setup enough to Stream the games in my list on best quality and if not, then what exactly do I need to change / add 

It should be plenty, especially with the extra Ryzen cores. This is where I think Ryzen is going to EXCEL over Intel's CPU's, at least for the time being. Even if the program you're using doesn't properly support all of Ryzen's cores, you can manually assign 4 cores to your game, and another 2-4 cores to OBS using Task Manager if you really had to.

 

7 Days to Die is poorly optimized, so you may run into other instability issues not really related to your hardware. Modded Skyrim should be OK, as long as you're not going to mod it like those crazy YouTube users... and although WoW has had upgrades over the years, it essentially runs the same as it did back in 2004 if you adjust the settings for... "graphical inflation"? AKA turn down shadows, and set water to the lowest quality, since Ultra water quality in WoW just looks like plastic food wrap anyway.  

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, kirashi said:

It should be plenty, especially with the extra Ryzen cores. This is where I think Ryzen is going to EXCEL over Intel's CPU's, at least for the time being. Even if the program you're using doesn't properly support all of Ryzen's cores, you can manually assign 4 cores to your game, and another 2-4 cores to OBS using Task Manager if you really had to.

 

7 Days to Die is poorly optimized, so you may run into other instability issues not really related to your hardware. Modded Skyrim should be OK, as long as you're not going to mod it like those crazy YouTube users... and although WoW has had upgrades over the years, it essentially runs the same as it did back in 2004 if you adjust the settings for... "graphical inflation"? AKA turn down shadows, and set water to the lowest quality, since Ultra water quality in WoW just looks like plastic food wrap anyway.  

I suppose RX 580 isn't good enough after all. 

Also about the "program I use" I don't use any I never streamed before in my life, I'm preparing lol

Anyway, from what I could gather, I should either go for 1080 (non ti) or wait for VEGA RX, (by the way is there an ETA on gaming Vega cards?)

I know about 7d2d poor optimization, what i don't know is if the better card can make it run... smoother.

[kirashi]

2 minutes ago, indexikki said:

I suppose RX 580 isn't good enough after all. 

Also about the "program I use" I don't use any I never streamed before in my life, I'm preparing lol

Anyway, from what I could gather, I should either go for 1080 (non ti) or wait for VEGA RX, (by the way is there an ETA on gaming Vega cards?)

I know about 7d2d poor optimization, what i don't know is if the better card can make it run... smoother.

No, your RX 580 should be able to handle those games just fine, even while streaming. Going to a 1080, or even a more sensible 1070, isn't going to fix the poorly optimized code you'll find in games like 7 Days to Die, Arma, or DayZ. To be clear, I'm not putting down these games - they're a lot of fun, just not optimized properly.

[indexikki]

11 hours ago, kirashi said:

No, your RX 580 should be able to handle those games just fine, even while streaming. Going to a 1080, or even a more sensible 1070, isn't going to fix the poorly optimized code you'll find in games like 7 Days to Die, Arma, or DayZ. To be clear, I'm not putting down these games - they're a lot of fun, just not optimized properly.

Thanks so much for everything, now the only thing I need to find out / confirm is whether or not I need that god damn Elgato card. it's something people use to capture video while streaming, as far as i know if you capture while streaming without that card the it affects the quality of streaming as well as recorded video.