Data Caps

[Chuffered]

Why are Data caps only applicable in BC and Alberta? I have fiber to the house but can't use it. Just the general use and watching news and YouTube uses the full cap every month. You can't buy more data just higher speeds which just gets you to the cap faster.

Why has everyone just accepted these caps? A PC can download if left on for a month 1250Gb in that time, on a 5Mb/s service. On a 25Mb/s service they have a cap of 300Gb. It's not a matter of paying more the 100Mb/s service has a cap of 500Gb which is still not enough. I'm on a pension for disability. It's killing innovation and jobs that the net could be the backbone for in remote communities. I want to run a unique radio station idea I have and sell advertizing. I have the money to start it up and get off this anemic pension. Can't do it.

Telus said when they installed the caps it was $10 for the first 50Gb over and $5 for each 50 after. They switched it around. It's $5 for the first and $10 for each 50Gb after. Which is a ridiculous inflation. The most expensive data storage download cost is .009 cents per Gb.

 

You live in BC why does LTT ignore this issue? $25 overage charge to reinstall windows? WTH? Drivers need download. Games got to download them. Cost $15-45 to download a game with all the other general usage. Or if I buy a game nobody can use the net for a month.  Games aren't even coming with the disk anymore. Can't stream movies unless I buy it from the ISP. Can't watch more than 10 movies in a month at a 300gb limit. What happened with net neutrality? Netflix is $9 a month Telus is $9 per movie. We have a monopoly and price fixing as it is in the ISP market. Can't play online games movies and Twitch or Youtube without overage charges.

 

What they have done is sold a cable package and said you can only watch 2hrs a month. Why does LTT ignore this issue with such a big platform you could end this practice. Bring it up every week until your audience all write to their reps to end this scam. All Data caps do is stop me from running a small business to support myself. Being disabled I don't have a lot of options. I can't have a 9-5 job because I never know when I'm going to be sick.   LTT crew please start making a big deal of this. You need to beat this to death until everyone has written the CRTC and their local MP's and reps. These rip off scam Data Caps have to end or at least be reasonable. Why are they only inflicted on people in BC and Alberta?

[Chuffered]

They announce net neutrality and now I'm getting notices in my ISP bills that if I want Netflix Facebook video and other services they will charge $8-10/month extra for each to make it not count against the cap. I don't think that they are playing with the same dictionary definitions of what words mean.

You can leave your TV on 24 hr's a day using up the same data as any of the internet service data but when it comes to video on the internet it's somehow special and you must be gouged. Can you tell this is pissing me off? why are people just putting up with this?

[Donut417]

14 minutes ago, Chuffered said:

They announce net neutrality and now I'm getting notices in my ISP bills that if I want Netflix Facebook video and other services they will charge $8-10/month extra for each to make it not count against the cap. I don't think that they are playing with the same dictionary definitions of what words mean.

You can leave your TV on 24 hr's a day using up the same data as any of the internet service data but when it comes to video on the internet it's somehow special and you must be gouged. Can you tell this is pissing me off? why are people just putting up with this?

When you only have access to one or two providers in a given area you dont have a choice but to put up with it. Until the Government does it job, on representing the people we are fucked. Because I will say that both major providers in my area have caps. Comcast has a 1 Tb cap. AT&T DSL has a 150 Gig cap and AT&T Uverse has a 1 TB cap. To be honest most people dont notice the fact these caps exist. I think we are more worried at least down here in the states about what the hell is going on in DC. Because we clearly have a fucking mess. The world is burning and we got front row seats. 

[Z Mukamuk]

I've never been more grateful to have Google Fiber with no data caps and no bullshit bills. $70 US a month and I get unlimited Gigabit Internet. I don't know what I can do to help you up in Canada, but if writing a letter will help, I can do it.

[Lt.Speirs]

2 minutes ago, Z Mukamuk said:

I've never been more grateful to have Google Fiber with no data caps and no bullshit bills. $70 US a month and I get unlimited Gigabit Internet. I don't know what I can do to help you up in Canada, but if writing a letter will help, I can do it.

We're not all so fortunate. It's basically a monopoly over here in Canada despite having a handful of carriers. When you factor in our rates/speeds = we're getting the short end of the stick in comparison to other countries. Telus, Bell, Rogers and Shaw's prices are beyond ludicrous.

 

Funny, the federal communications commission or FCC for short, was put in place to protect the consumer. It seems they've long stopped caring so long as they're getting a fat pay check.

[Donut417]

10 minutes ago, Lt.Speirs said:

Funny, the federal communications commission or FCC for short, was put in place to protect the consumer. It seems they've long stopped caring so long as they're getting a fat pay check.

Most of the people who are on the FCC used to work in the industry. And most of the time when they are done with their service they go back to help lobby for the industry. 

[Lt.Speirs]

25 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Most of the people who are on the FCC used to work in the industry. And most of the time when they are done with their service they go back to help lobby for the industry. 

Exactly. It's as corrupt as they come. They're manipulating the system and finding loopholes at every opportunity.

[Lt.Speirs]

31 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said:

still better than australia

In what terms? Price or speeds?

[yathis]

The Government is corrupt!

[AshleyAshes]

...Why does the OP not in any way mention the name of the actual ISP in question?

 

And maybe if the OP actually stated what Canadian city they resided in and who their current ISP was, we here in LTT could suggest some alternative options?  TPIA's for example are available in a lot of places and offer great alternatives.

 

I mean, with this thread basically referring to 'The Internet Company' without any details, there's nothing we can really do to help.

[Tsuki]

im paying comcast an extra $50/month for unlimited data cuz they wanted to cap me at 100GB 1TB.

3 power users in the house.. between the gaming, the updates, the netflix, the youtube, the torrenting...

yea not happening.

[Donut417]

8 minutes ago, Tsuki said:

im paying comcast an extra $50/month for unlimited data cuz they wanted to cap me at 100GB.

3 power users in the house.. between the gaming, the updates, the netflix, the youtube, the torrenting...

yea not happening.

Um the cap is 1 TB. Because Im a Comcast sub and thats the current cap. Previous cap was 250 Gigs. 

[Tsuki]

10 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Um the cap is 1 TB. Because Im a Comcast sub and thats the current cap. Previous cap was 250 Gigs. 

you're right, it was a whole terabyte. which makes it even more scary that i blew past it in about a week

[luigi90210]

is it wrong of me to brag that spectrum doesnt have data caps...

[Donut417]

9 minutes ago, luigi90210 said:

is it wrong of me to brag that spectrum doesnt have data caps...

Give it time. All ISP's will have caps eventually. 

[luigi90210]

Just now, Donut417 said:

Give it time. All ISP's will have caps eventually. 

why would you say that?
thats actually a big selling point of charter spectrum(along with their speeds) especially since all the other ISPs in my area have data caps

id say that eventually all ISPs will have no data caps, with google pushing wireless 5g home internet speeds as well as verizon(both dont have data caps) in order for the old school cable companies to compete they cant be so restrictive otherwise they will lose customers

[Donut417]

18 hours ago, luigi90210 said:

why would you say that?
thats actually a big selling point of charter spectrum(along with their speeds) especially since all the other ISPs in my area have data caps

id say that eventually all ISPs will have no data caps, with google pushing wireless 5g home internet speeds as well as verizon(both dont have data caps) in order for the old school cable companies to compete they cant be so restrictive otherwise they will lose customers

Google Failed with Fiber. ISP's dont consider Google a threat any more. Plus, only areas where ISP's have Google Fiber is the only areas that dont have data caps. Cable Companies have to make up the lost revenue some how, data caps is the easy way. The only reason spectrum does not have caps is because the FCC set conditions for the merger. Once those conditions are up or until the Trump FCC says they dont have to follow it, they will cap their service. 

 

5G will never be able to hit speeds of Docsis 3.1 or 3.1 Full Duplex. So wireless will not cause them to compete either. 5G is only good for those living out in BFE and cant get a decent wired provider. 

[luigi90210]

4 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Google Failed with Fiber. ISP's dont consider Google a threat any more. Plus, only areas where ISP's have Google Fiber is the only areas that dont have data caps. Cable Companies have to make up the lost revenue some how, data caps is the easy way. The only reason spectrum does not have caps is because the FCC set conditions for the merger. Once those conditions are up or until the Trump FCC says they dont have to follow it, they will cap their service. 

 

5G will never be able to hit speeds of Docsis 3.1 or 3.1 Full Duplex. So wireless will not cause them to compete either. 5G is only good for those living out in BFE and cant get a decent wired provider. 

first please read my post before replying, no where did i mention google fiber or their roll out, only an idiot thinks google fiber is still being deployed after google announced they will be focusing 5g mmwave wireless technology
second i suggest you really do some reading on 5g before commenting on it, its theoretical through put is somewhere north of 10Gbps and ISPs like Verizon and ATT are confident it can deliver 1Gbps wirelessly to homes consistently, heck LTE Advanced pro is already pushing gigabit mobile internet so I am pretty confident that 5G home networks will be a big success

[Donut417]

11 hours ago, luigi90210 said:

first please read my post before replying, no where did i mention google fiber or their roll out, only an idiot thinks google fiber is still being deployed after google announced they will be focusing 5g mmwave wireless technology
second i suggest you really do some reading on 5g before commenting on it, its theoretical through put is somewhere north of 10Gbps and ISPs like Verizon and ATT are confident it can deliver 1Gbps wirelessly to homes consistently, heck LTE Advanced pro is already pushing gigabit mobile internet so I am pretty confident that 5G home networks will be a big success

Wireless will never be able to complete with wired in speed or relability. Plus your counting on the wireless providers not fucking this in some way. 

 

To me 5G is going to be like every WiFi standard. Good on paper but a disappointment in real world use. And if 5G doesn't have caps. It will have a low data threshold before they throttle. Most if not all of the big wireless palyers throttle at 20-30 gigs. I use a min of 200 gigs a month. If I'm paying a premium, which 5G will cost, I expect full speeds all month. Just like my wired provider Comcast can provide. 

[luigi90210]

3 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Wireless will never be able to complete with wired in speed or relability. Plus your counting on the wireless providers not fucking this in some way. 

 

To me 5G is going to be like every WiFi standard. Good on paper but a disappointment in real world use. And if 5G doesn't have caps. It will have a low data threshold before they throttle. Most if not all of the big wireless palyers throttle at 20-30 gigs. I use a min of 200 gigs a month. If I'm paying a premium, which 5G will cost, I expect full speeds all month. Just like my wired provider Comcast can provide. 

Again you haven't looked into anything related to 5g wireless and how it able to deliver fast and consistent data speeds. I don't know what else to say since you seem to be ignoring it. 

 

Current verizon 4G LTE network can deliver 100Mbps internet while on the road and with mmwave technology being tons better than current wireless technology, Verizon, att and Google have all said they can consistently deliver a 1Gbps home internet connection wirelessly. This isn't mobile internet, there is no throttling and no data caps. Heck ATT has no data caps if you have their fiber service and Verizon's current fiber service doesn't have data caps. Why would that change when deploying a new kind of HOME internet connection...

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, luigi90210 said:

Again you haven't looked into anything related to 5g wireless and how it able to deliver fast and consistent data speeds. I don't know what else to say since you seem to be ignoring it. 

 

Current verizon 4G LTE network can deliver 100Mbps internet while on the road and with mmwave technology being tons better than current wireless technology, Verizon, att and Google have all said they can consistently deliver a 1Gbps home internet connection wirelessly. This isn't mobile internet, there is no throttling and no data caps. Heck ATT has no data caps if you have their fiber service and Verizon's current fiber service doesn't have data caps. Why would that change when deploying a new kind of HOME internet connection...

How about instead of stating shit, you link to an article. My point is this. The wireless spectrum for use for Data is limited. There is a reason all the wireless providers have a 30 gig cap to when they throttle. Its because of limited capacity. I guess I need to run a speed test on my moms phone and see if shes pulling 100 Mbps, because I know T Mobile only does 20 in my area and Sprint cant do shit. 

 

While 5G might do amazing shit. Its still decades out. Because they have to upgrade backhul to towers, figure out where new cell sites and micro cell sites need to be. And invest in new equipment. Im sure its not going to be that affordable. 

 

You sound like you have 5G service to your house? Because until I see it out in the real world perform the way you state, I call bull shit. Because I could give two shits about tests in a lab. WiFi is tested in labs and you see how it works in the real world. If you can show me an article that says I can get 100 Mbps to 1000 Mbps service for a competitive price and has no throttling or data caps Ill change my position, until then I call bull shit. 

[luigi90210]

On 6/12/2017 at 0:49 PM, Donut417 said:

How about instead of stating shit, you link to an article. My point is this. The wireless spectrum for use for Data is limited. There is a reason all the wireless providers have a 30 gig cap to when they throttle. Its because of limited capacity. I guess I need to run a speed test on my moms phone and see if shes pulling 100 Mbps, because I know T Mobile only does 20 in my area and Sprint cant do shit. 

 

While 5G might do amazing shit. Its still decades out. Because they have to upgrade backhul to towers, figure out where new cell sites and micro cell sites need to be. And invest in new equipment. Im sure its not going to be that affordable. 

 

You sound like you have 5G service to your house? Because until I see it out in the real world perform the way you state, I call bull shit. Because I could give two shits about tests in a lab. WiFi is tested in labs and you see how it works in the real world. If you can show me an article that says I can get 100 Mbps to 1000 Mbps service for a competitive price and has no throttling or data caps Ill change my position, until then I call bull shit. 

since you are clearly too lazy to google search something here is an article from 2013 that shows you can get REAL WORLD 100Mbps
https://gigaom.com/2013/12/05/verizon-quietly-unleashes-its-lte-monster-tripling-4g-capacity-in-major-cities/

maybe if you weren't such a stubborn kid you would actually be able to learn something without someone having to hold your hand through everything

oh and your claim that 5g is years out is also wrong its maybe 5 years out with testing being done THIS YEAR(which BTW is pre-5g network running on 28Ghz band
http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/verizon-testing-5g-11-cities/

 

oh and in the lab testing they were able to achieve 5Gbps with predictions that everyone can connect with 1Gbps or greater
http://www.cio.com/article/3149034/consumer-electronics/5g-will-give-you-blazing-fast-broadband-at-home.html

so there are some articles outlining every point i made since you couldnt spend 5 seconds google searching these things for yourself like a grown up

[AshleyAshes]

56 minutes ago, luigi90210 said:

since you are clearly too lazy to google search something here is an article from 2013 that shows you can get REAL WORLD 100Mbps
https://gigaom.com/2013/12/05/verizon-quietly-unleashes-its-lte-monster-tripling-4g-capacity-in-major-cities/

maybe if you weren't such a stubborn kid you would actually be able to learn something without someone having to hold your hand through everything

oh and your claim that 5g is years out is also wrong its maybe 5 years out with testing being done THIS YEAR(which BTW is pre-5g network running on 28Ghz band
http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/verizon-testing-5g-11-cities/

 

oh and in the lab testing they were able to achieve 5Gbps with predictions that everyone can connect with 1Gbps or greater
http://www.cio.com/article/3149034/consumer-electronics/5g-will-give-you-blazing-fast-broadband-at-home.html

so there are some articles outlining every point i made since you couldnt spend 5 seconds google searching these things for yourself like a grown up

All of this is pre-production testing stuff at best.  The articles also also focus on the most ideal situations while not mentioning any pitfalls.  "100mbits!  ...Oh, no, not if you stand behind THAT building, no, that building is kinda in the way and putting you to 40mbits..."

 

But articles about tech like this are ALWAYS pie in the sky, best theoretical numbers, 'any day now, magic, for reals!' kinda stuff.  None of it is really worth anything unless it's something that is commercially available and represents the TYPICAL experience of the consumer.  It's like how laptops brag about their 'battery life'.  Let's see how many hours the TYPICAL consumer actually gets in real life.