Single Threading Vs Multi Threading

[BudgetBoy]

im planning to build a new pc . but i have to choose what is fit for my needs ? pls help me im a multitasker guy . when i use my pc i open photoshop then CADD and some codes . i do some games slightly (cause im not a pure gamer) what is the recommended build for me ? AMD Ryzen build or Intel build ? pls help ...

 

i just saw a result from the test on tech youtuber they said for multitasking AMD is better and for single threaded performance intel is better . and now im so confuse ? which one is good for me ?

 

and i last thing pls suggest a budget build

[Enderman]

Ryzen would be better for you.

[Anjelllo]

Ryzen for multitasking intel for only games. 

[ARikozuM]

Single-threaded and multi-threaded functions aren't what most people would think that they are. 

 

Single-threaded functions are present in every program. These can be worked on by a single core without being passed to other cores, but when they are, latency becomes a HUGE factor in how well the system can handle the loads. BF1, for instance, is heavily single-threaded when it comes to trajectory of rounds/shells. these functions must be done in sequence and passing off the calculation to each core would be detrimental to the effective speed of the game's engine.

 

Multi-threaded functions can be worked on piece-meal. Core 1 can work on parts A and C while Core 2 works on B. Weather simulations, fog, day/night cycles and some lighting technologies work through multi-threading as they can be done in portions by many cores and then laced together with approximations. 

 

For people who say "more cores = more performance" is erroneous without knowing the characteristics and under-the-hood functions utilized by the program's engines. 

 

Autodesk and Solidworks prefer faster cores (HT/SMT make a bit of a difference and the cost-benefit is up to you to decide) than more cores for everything except rendering. If you model for the majority of the time, go for whatever is faster per core. If you're rendering for the most part, go for more cores while maintaining speed. Photoshop sees no difference past quad-cores unless you're using a CPU slow enough to choke upon any transparency effects that you add.

 

Edit: Just wanted to add that a program could be wholly single-threaded while still using more than four cores + HT/SMT. Using more cores does not equate to multi-threaded performance.

[CyberneticTitan]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-907/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/

 

 

 

Intel performs better in both Photoshop and SolidWorks. However, both are extremely well performing chips. You cannot go wrong with either brand, but if you can pick up the 7700k and a mobo cheaper than Ryzen and a mobo, go for Intel.

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, CyberneticTitan said:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-907/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/

 

 

 

Intel performs better in both Photoshop and SolidWorks. However, both are extremely well performing chips. You cannot go wrong with either brand, but if you can pick up the 7700k and a mobo cheaper than Ryzen and a mobo, go for Intel.

can u display some CADD results i cant find anything online

[ARikozuM]

Just now, BudgetBoy said:

can u display some CADD results i cant find anything online

Solidworks is CADD, unless you mean a specific program.

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Single-threaded and multi-threaded functions aren't what most people would think that they are. 

 

Single-threaded functions are present in every program. These can be worked on by a single core without being passed to other cores, but when they are, latency becomes a HUGE factor in how well the system can handle the loads. BF1, for instance, is heavily single-threaded when it comes to trajectory of rounds/shells. these functions must be done in sequence and passing off the calculation to each core would be detrimental to the effective speed of the game's engine.

 

Multi-threaded functions can be worked on piece-meal. Core 1 can work on parts A and C while Core 2 works on B. Weather simulations, fog, day/night cycles and some lighting technologies work through multi-threading as they can be done in portions by many cores and then laced together with approximations. 

 

For people who say "more cores = more performance" is erroneous without knowing the characteristics and under-the-hood functions utilized by the program's engines. 

 

Autodesk and Solidworks prefer faster cores (HT/SMT make a bit of a difference and the cost-benefit is up to you to decide) than more cores for everything except rendering. If you model for the majority of the time, go for whatever is faster per core. If you're rendering for the most part, go for more cores while maintaining speed. Photoshop sees no difference past quad-cores unless you're using a CPU slow enough to choke upon any transparency effects that you add.

 

Edit: Just wanted to add that a program could be wholly single-threaded while still using more than four cores + HT/SMT. Using more cores does not equate to multi-threaded performance.

i do some games but not graphic hungry games like bf1 . i play mostly moba games and some light games like csgo etc

[CyberneticTitan]

4 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

can u display some CADD results i cant find anything online

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-3ds-Max-2017-CPU-Performance-823/

 

3DS Max:

 

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, CyberneticTitan said:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-3ds-Max-2017-CPU-Performance-823/

 

3DS Max:

 

so whats the final answer ? i just read an article of course the 7700k is better due to there higher clock speed . so whats the answer ?

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Single-threaded and multi-threaded functions aren't what most people would think that they are. 

 

Single-threaded functions are present in every program. These can be worked on by a single core without being passed to other cores, but when they are, latency becomes a HUGE factor in how well the system can handle the loads. BF1, for instance, is heavily single-threaded when it comes to trajectory of rounds/shells. these functions must be done in sequence and passing off the calculation to each core would be detrimental to the effective speed of the game's engine.

 

Multi-threaded functions can be worked on piece-meal. Core 1 can work on parts A and C while Core 2 works on B. Weather simulations, fog, day/night cycles and some lighting technologies work through multi-threading as they can be done in portions by many cores and then laced together with approximations. 

 

For people who say "more cores = more performance" is erroneous without knowing the characteristics and under-the-hood functions utilized by the program's engines. 

 

Autodesk and Solidworks prefer faster cores (HT/SMT make a bit of a difference and the cost-benefit is up to you to decide) than more cores for everything except rendering. If you model for the majority of the time, go for whatever is faster per core. If you're rendering for the most part, go for more cores while maintaining speed. Photoshop sees no difference past quad-cores unless you're using a CPU slow enough to choke upon any transparency effects that you add.

 

Edit: Just wanted to add that a program could be wholly single-threaded while still using more than four cores + HT/SMT. Using more cores does not equate to multi-threaded performance.

im looking for a cpu that can perform a GOOD LOOKING results i dont care how fast it is as long as they are looking good in my blueprints etc and besides im on a budget . (btw im an architect :D)

[CyberneticTitan]

5 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

so whats the final answer ? i just read an article of course the 7700k is better due to there higher clock speed . so whats the answer ?

If you want an indepth answer that is conclusive and provides enough justifications to give you a recommendation read each of the three articles.

 

TL;DR: Photoshop, SolidWorks, and 3DS Max prefer faster cores than increased core count.

[ARikozuM]

5 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

im looking for a cpu that can perform a GOOD LOOKING results i dont care how fast it is as long as they are looking good in my blueprints etc(btw im an architect :D)

What I listed above is what multi- and single-threaded functions are and how they work. I used gaming as an example that is easy to understand for the majority of the forum users that may stumble into this thread. I've also included an answer for your question via the 5th block of text:

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Autodesk and Solidworks prefer faster cores (HT/SMT make a bit of a difference and the cost-benefit is up to you to decide) than more cores for everything except rendering. If you model for the majority of the time, go for whatever is faster per core. If you're rendering for the most part, go for more cores while maintaining speed. Photoshop sees no difference past quad-cores unless you're using a CPU slow enough to choke upon any transparency effects that you add.

Faster cores will win over pretty much anything unless your job is to take other people's models and render them. Going with a quad-core (eight logical cores) i7 would be the best choice as the speed will not stop you from performing tasks quickly while allowing you a great deal of freedom when multi-tasking.

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

What I listed above is what multi- and single-threaded functions are and how they work. I used gaming as an example that is easy to understand for the majority of the forum users that may stumble into this thread. I've also included an answer for your question via the 5th block of text:

Faster cores will win over pretty much anything unless your job is to take other people's models and render them. Going with a quad-core (eight logical cores) i7 would be the best choice as the speed will not stop you from performing tasks quickly while allowing you a great deal of freedom when multi-tasking.

alright then maybe ill go with the 7700k or the 7700 . i will build a itx build . i hope will have a good looking for my models thanks for advice guys

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

What I listed above is what multi- and single-threaded functions are and how they work. I used gaming as an example that is easy to understand for the majority of the forum users that may stumble into this thread. I've also included an answer for your question via the 5th block of text:

Faster cores will win over pretty much anything unless your job is to take other people's models and render them. Going with a quad-core (eight logical cores) i7 would be the best choice as the speed will not stop you from performing tasks quickly while allowing you a great deal of freedom when multi-tasking.

one last question do u have the result of the 7700 cause i dont want to overclock

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

one last question do u have the result of the 7700 cause i dont want to overclock

The result will be roughly the same as the 7700K since they have similar clock speeds.