Posted May 17, 2017 I don't know which mouse to get. (How many times do I have to write this, this is the fourth time.) Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/ Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 What's the usecase? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845925 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 4 minutes ago, Sack said: What's the usecase? CSGO, Siege, etc. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845939 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 First of all, try to get each one into your hand for a short time. Electronic Market for example were they have "touch samples" ... The best stats from the technical point of view are worth nothing when your hand screams in pain or is uncomfortable after an hour of use. Main System: Anghammarad : Asrock Taichi x570, AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @4900 MHz. 32 GB DDR4 3600, some NVME SSDs, Gainward Phoenix RTX 3070TI System 2 "Igluna" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. System 3 "Inskah" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. On the Road: Acer Aspire 5 Model A515-51G-54FD, Intel Core i5 7200U, 8 GB DDR4 Ram, 120 GB SSD, 1 TB SSD, Intel CPU GFX and Nvidia MX 150, Full HD IPS display Media System "Vio": Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5700X, 64 GB Ram DDR4 3200 Mushkin, 1 275 GB Crucial MX SSD, 1 tb Crucial MX500 SSD. IBM 5015 Megaraid, 4 Seagate Ironwolf 4TB HDD in raid 5, 4 WD RED 4 tb in another Raid 5, Gainward Phoenix GTX 1060 (Abit Fatal1ty FP9 IN SLI, C2Duo E8400, 6 GB Ram DDR2 800, far too less diskspace, Gainward Phantom 560 GTX broken need fixing) Nostalgia: Amiga 1200, Tower Build, CPU/FPU/MMU 68EC020, 68030, 68882 @50 Mhz, 10 MByte ram (2 MB Chip, 8 MB Fast), Fast SCSI II, 2 CDRoms, 2 1 GB SCSI II IBM Harddrives, 512 MB Quantum Lightning HDD, self soldered Sync changer to attach VGA displays, WLAN Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845941 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 2 minutes ago, Anghammarad said: First of all, try to get each one into your hand for a short time. Electronic Market for example were they have "touch samples" ... The best stats from the technical point of view are worth nothing when your hand screams in pain or is uncomfortable after an hour of use. All I have is bestbuy, which have none of these on display in store. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845957 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 5 minutes ago, Anghammarad said: First of all, try to get each one into your hand for a short time. Electronic Market for example were they have "touch samples" ... The best stats from the technical point of view are worth nothing when your hand screams in pain or is uncomfortable after an hour of use. Although at bestbuy, they have the g900 and rival in stock so I can secretly just take out of box and touchy touchy. But they don't have the glaive. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845974 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 oh from your list above, don't get a refurbished Logitech... even right from the factory are quite "unreliable" from the quality point of view. Mouse buttons dying quite early. Main System: Anghammarad : Asrock Taichi x570, AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @4900 MHz. 32 GB DDR4 3600, some NVME SSDs, Gainward Phoenix RTX 3070TI System 2 "Igluna" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. System 3 "Inskah" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. On the Road: Acer Aspire 5 Model A515-51G-54FD, Intel Core i5 7200U, 8 GB DDR4 Ram, 120 GB SSD, 1 TB SSD, Intel CPU GFX and Nvidia MX 150, Full HD IPS display Media System "Vio": Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5700X, 64 GB Ram DDR4 3200 Mushkin, 1 275 GB Crucial MX SSD, 1 tb Crucial MX500 SSD. IBM 5015 Megaraid, 4 Seagate Ironwolf 4TB HDD in raid 5, 4 WD RED 4 tb in another Raid 5, Gainward Phoenix GTX 1060 (Abit Fatal1ty FP9 IN SLI, C2Duo E8400, 6 GB Ram DDR2 800, far too less diskspace, Gainward Phantom 560 GTX broken need fixing) Nostalgia: Amiga 1200, Tower Build, CPU/FPU/MMU 68EC020, 68030, 68882 @50 Mhz, 10 MByte ram (2 MB Chip, 8 MB Fast), Fast SCSI II, 2 CDRoms, 2 1 GB SCSI II IBM Harddrives, 512 MB Quantum Lightning HDD, self soldered Sync changer to attach VGA displays, WLAN Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845975 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author Just now, Anghammarad said: oh from your list above, don't get a refurbished Logitech... even right from the factory are quite "unreliable" from the quality point of view. Mouse buttons dying quite early. https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200875270 doesnt seem like a problem IMO, but I'll consider that. 25$ more isn't that much. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9845984 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 I went through a lot of Logitech mice and only one is still alive and rolling (yes still got a ball) the old Amiga one. Over 20 years old. My current MX already got switched while in warranty time, the replacement died on my 2 times already. First left mouse button, then half a year later the right one. I switched out both switches so the mouse still works. Another thing, the rubber Logitech uses tends to weaken up and fall apart after some use. You can always clean it up, but the time it gets gooey or sticky again is quite short. Main System: Anghammarad : Asrock Taichi x570, AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @4900 MHz. 32 GB DDR4 3600, some NVME SSDs, Gainward Phoenix RTX 3070TI System 2 "Igluna" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. System 3 "Inskah" AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Pro, Core I5 3570k @4300, 16 GB Ram DDR3 2133, some SSD, and a 2 TB HDD each, Gainward Phantom 760GTX. On the Road: Acer Aspire 5 Model A515-51G-54FD, Intel Core i5 7200U, 8 GB DDR4 Ram, 120 GB SSD, 1 TB SSD, Intel CPU GFX and Nvidia MX 150, Full HD IPS display Media System "Vio": Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5700X, 64 GB Ram DDR4 3200 Mushkin, 1 275 GB Crucial MX SSD, 1 tb Crucial MX500 SSD. IBM 5015 Megaraid, 4 Seagate Ironwolf 4TB HDD in raid 5, 4 WD RED 4 tb in another Raid 5, Gainward Phoenix GTX 1060 (Abit Fatal1ty FP9 IN SLI, C2Duo E8400, 6 GB Ram DDR2 800, far too less diskspace, Gainward Phantom 560 GTX broken need fixing) Nostalgia: Amiga 1200, Tower Build, CPU/FPU/MMU 68EC020, 68030, 68882 @50 Mhz, 10 MByte ram (2 MB Chip, 8 MB Fast), Fast SCSI II, 2 CDRoms, 2 1 GB SCSI II IBM Harddrives, 512 MB Quantum Lightning HDD, self soldered Sync changer to attach VGA displays, WLAN Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846011 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 1 minute ago, Anghammarad said: I went through a lot of Logitech mice and only one is still alive and rolling (yes still got a ball) the old Amiga one. Over 20 years old. My current MX already got switched while in warranty time, the replacement died on my 2 times already. First left mouse button, then half a year later the right one. I switched out both switches so the mouse still works. Another thing, the rubber Logitech uses tends to weaken up and fall apart after some use. You can always clean it up, but the time it gets gooey or sticky again is quite short. I could always just *try* it, the 30 day Amazon return policy Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846024 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 I have just recently bought a Corsair M65 RBG and god damn that mice is good, made me feel bad for cheapening on mices for so long, I am even starting to play CS:GO again because the precision and smoothness of it made the game feel completely new to me Personal Desktop": CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot: SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro. Luna, the temporary Desktop: CPU: AMD R9 7950XT |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver) Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846068 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Logitech G502. Tried and True. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846091 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said: I have just recently bought a Corsair M65 RBG and god damn that mice is good, made me feel bad for cheapening on mices for so long, I am even starting to play CS:GO again because the precision and smoothness of it made the game feel completely new to me Supposedly the glaive is just a better m65.. So should I go to bestbuy and take the mice out of their boxes like a scumbag and see which one I like more (they don't have the glaive) Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846400 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 I have the logitech g900 chaos spectrum its a great mouse. No inference from my other wifi products on my computer desk. But i am only going from personal experience here. Its the best mouse ive had in many years. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846481 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 5 minutes ago, IceCold008 said: I have the logitech g900 chaos spectrum its a great mouse. No inference from my other wifi products on my computer desk. But i am only going from personal experience here. Its the best mouse ive had in many years. How long have you had it? What's the wear and tear like? Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846509 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ashiella said: How long have you had it? What's the wear and tear like? Ive had it over 3 months now. As for wear and tear there is none. It also comes with a 2 years warranty from logitech. Charging dont take long an hour or so. Then your good to go for a few days at least depends on how long you stay on the PC. The light effects are nice. I got the mouse becuase i am left handed and you can swap over the buttons from right handed to left handed. So this was the most important thing for me. But saying that the mouse is great overall. Feels super smooth on my Icemat. Frozed glass mousemat. You can also make your mouse track on different mousemats. The software for it is very good. As for inference ive found that when your mouse needs charging less than 10% battery life left the mouse sometimes jerks at abit. Like it telling you to put the charger in. When i put the charger in it goes. But that only happens when its really low bettery life. Personally i think its a good way of telling me i need to charge it lol. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846559 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author 1 minute ago, IceCold008 said: Ive had it over 3 months now. As for wear and tear there is none. It also comes with a 2 years warranty from logitech. Charging dont take long an hour or so. Then your good to go for a few days at least depends on how long you stay on the PC. The light effects are nice. I got the mouse becuase i am left handed and you can swap over the button from right handed to left handed. So this was the most important thing for me. But saying that the mouse is great overall. Feels super smooth on my Icemat. Frozed glass mousemat. You can also make your mouse track on different mousemats. The software for it is very good. As for inference ive found that when your mouse needs charging less than 10% battery life left the mouse sometimes jerks at abit. Like it telling you to put the charger in. When i put the charger in it goes. But that only happens when its really low bettery life. Personally i think its a good way of telling me i need to charge it lol. Do you think it's worth buying it new? Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846573 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ashiella said: Do you think it's worth buying it new? Thats a hard choice to make since you can get it cheaper Refurbished. If i was in your shoes. I would get new. I dont trust Refurbished products. But thats just my personal choice. The Refurbished version will proparly be fine like. But for peace of mind and the warranty i allways go for new. When it comes to tech stuff. If the Refurbished version has a 2 year warranty then go for it. And if your left handed i would say 100% go for this mouse. No more right handed mouse. If your not sure just look a some reivews on youtube on the mouse. You can see the software in action what the mouse looks and feels like. I took a big leap of faith when buying this mouse becuase of the price. But i glad i did. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846591 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author Just now, IceCold008 said: Thats a hard choice to make since you can get it cheaper Refurbished. If i was in your shoes. I would get new. I dont trust Refurbished products. But thats just my personal choice. The Refurbished version will proparly be fine like. But for peace of mind and the warranty i allways go for new. When it comes to tech stuff. If the Refurbished version has a 2 year warranty then go for it. And if your left handed i would say 100% go for this mouse. No more right handed mouse. If your not sure just look a some reivews on yuotube on the mouse. You can see the software in action what the mouse looks and feels like. I took a big leap of faith when buying this mouse becuase of the price. But i glad i did. I stare at the Amazon certified refurbished and it should be exactly like new but no warranty. I already saw reviews, it looks nice, I want it, but I wanna touch it first at best buy. Lol. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846600 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Ashiella said: I stare at the Amazon certified refurbished and it should be exactly like new but no warranty. I already saw reviews, it looks nice, I want it, but I wanna touch it first at best buy. Lol. Fair enough. If you can find a place which has it on display thats the best case. Give it a try first. The mouse might be a little too big or too small for your hand. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846606 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2017 Author Just now, IceCold008 said: Fair enough. If you can find a place which has it on display thats the best case. Give it a try first. The mouse might be a little too big or too small for your hand. It slightly shorter in length, slightly smaller in width I think, and it's slightly taller in height. Specs v-v Spoiler Cpu: Ryzen 9 3900x @ 1.1v / Motherboard: Asus Prime X570-P / Ram: 32GB 3000Mhz 16-16-16-36 Team Vulcan (4x8GB) / Storage: 1x 1TB Lite-on EP2, 2x 128GB PM851 SSD, 3x 1TB WD Blues / Gpu: GTX Titan X (Pascal) / Case: Corsair 400c Carbide / Psu: Corsair RMi 750w / OS: Windows 10 Spoiler I'm lonely, PM me to be my friend! Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9846611 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 18, 2017 11 hours ago, IceCold008 said: I got the mouse becuase i am left handed and you can swap over the buttons from right handed to left handed. So this was the most important thing for me. But saying that the mouse is great overall. Best left hand mouse ever. I'd have preferred they just make a left handed g502 and saved me $100 at release. Ryzen 7 2700x | MSI B450 Tomahawk | GTX 780 Windforce | 16GB 3200Dell 3007WFP | 2xDell 2001FP | Logitech G710 | Logitech G710 | Team Wolf Void Ray | Strafe RGB MX SilentiPhone 8 Plus | ZTE Axon 7 | iPad Air 2 | Nvidia Shield Tablet 32gig LTE | Lenovo W700DS Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/780955-which-mouse-should-i-get/#findComment-9849491 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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