ryzen Ryzen will not overclock.

[Fleanuts]

I had made an original post here: 

I wanted to make another forum post to organize and not leave out information. I put together my Ryzen build, Downloaded the latest drivers and set everything up accordingly. I ran benchmarks on cinebench and I then Restarted and entered the bios on my Crosshair VI hero. I set my core clock speed to 41.00 and turned the voltage to 1.4 for a start. I ran another benchmark. I jumped from 1210 cinebench to 730. My core speeds were then running around around 2200mhz instead of upwards from 3600mhz. The Motherboard is running on 1107 and the Ryzen drivers are the latest. I have tried doing it with and without the newest drivers. I have tried leaving voltage on auto, and leaving it on 1.3. I have dropped the core speed. If I do anything to configure the bios manually. the cpu will not function properly. Any and all suggestions will be attempted even if i have tried it already. I am grateful for any help.

 

Here is where I will link my Monitoring:

Nothing Overclocked---https://gyazo.com/e91aaf085f95906d4cc0f7d6c84665f0

Overclocked to 4.0 GHz---https://gyazo.com/c526abccb99983a8940537807a0f9235

 

[Jamuro]

See the giant dip in your cpu usage during the benchmark (the overclocked version)?

 

That's your problem.

For one reason or another your cpu got throttled there.

A 4.1 oc for any ryzen is what one the lucky top % achieve ... and you went straight for it.

 

First off disable the auto voltage part and return the values to factory settings.

 

Then grab yourself some monitoring tools (cpuz is the only one that comes to mind but dig around)

 

Take it slow and increase from 3,6 in 50 to 100 mhz increments.

Once you have a stable benchmark with that (at 3,6 or 3,7 ghz) start decreasing the voltage slowly until you reach the point where it is no longer stable.

 

Then up the voltage again and go another 100 or 50 mhz increment and increase the voltage until that runs stable.

You will see that each round of oc from there on will start to "cost" a lot higher increments in voltage and will have to decide where you want to stop.

 

DO NOT just smash in random numbers you have seen someone else achieve and hope for the best.

Overclocking takes time (A LOT OF TIME) and the way you are doing it right now is only good at killing your hardware.

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, Jamuro said:

See the giant dip in your cpu usage during the benchmark (the overclocked version)?

 

That's your problem.

For one reason or another your cpu got throttled there.

A 4.1 oc for any ryzen is what one the lucky top % achieve ... and you went straight for it.

 

Take it slow and increase from 3,6 in 50 to 100 mhz increments.

Once you have a stable benchmark with that (at 3,6 or 3,7 ghz) start decreasing the voltage slowly until you reach the point where it is no longer stable.

 

Then up the voltage again and go another 100 or 50 mhz increment and increase the voltage until that runs stable.

You will see that each round of oc from there on will start to "cost" a lot higher increments in voltage and will have to decide where you want to stop.

 

DO NOT just smash in random numbers you have seen someone else achieve and hope for the best.

Overclocking takes time (A LOT OF TIME) and the way you are doing it right now is only good at killing your hardware.

This ^ however 3.6 is a very low starting point. I'd start with 3.8Ghz @ 1.3V and work from there.

[Coaxialgamer]

Reset  CMOS?

[Simon771]

Try 3,8GHz and 1,35V ... works for me. Even at 1,325V, but I added a bit more just to be more stable.

 

aiming for 4,1GHz ... only around 1 or 2% of those chips can handle that. And even those need 1,45V.

10-15% of Ryzen can get to 4,0GHz at 1,4V

Not sure how many can reach 3,9GHz, but 3,8GHz should work on all of them.

 

You might be aiming too high. Ryzen isn't even close to Intel clock speeds.

[Fleanuts]

21 minutes ago, Jamuro said:

See the giant dip in your cpu usage during the benchmark (the overclocked version)?

 

That's your problem.

For one reason or another your cpu got throttled there.

A 4.1 oc for any ryzen is what one the lucky top % achieve ... and you went straight for it.

 

First off disable the auto voltage part and return the values to factory settings.

 

Then grab yourself some monitoring tools (cpuz is the only one that comes to mind but dig around)

 

Take it slow and increase from 3,6 in 50 to 100 mhz increments.

Once you have a stable benchmark with that (at 3,6 or 3,7 ghz) start decreasing the voltage slowly until you reach the point where it is no longer stable.

 

Then up the voltage again and go another 100 or 50 mhz increment and increase the voltage until that runs stable.

You will see that each round of oc from there on will start to "cost" a lot higher increments in voltage and will have to decide where you want to stop.

 

DO NOT just smash in random numbers you have seen someone else achieve and hope for the best.

Overclocking takes time (A LOT OF TIME) and the way you are doing it right now is only good at killing your hardware.

Thank you for the information! I took what you said and what Tom W said but I'm still throttled at around 2200mhz. https://gyazo.com/0a5fbd8f057154f932b4a874373f90b3 

I dont have any more screenshots but no matter what I do, even if i set the manual to exactly 3600, which is what the cpu runs at, it just sits at 2200. 

 

 

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, Fleanuts said:

Thank you for the information! I took what you said and what Tom W said but I'm still throttled at around 2200mhz. https://gyazo.com/0a5fbd8f057154f932b4a874373f90b3 

I dont have any more screenshots but no matter what I do, even if i set the manual to exactly 3600, which is what the cpu runs at, it just sits at 2200. 

 

 

Have you altered p states? messing with VID in p state control caps your cpu at 2GHz ish, If you do a p state overclock follow the guide in my sig. If you do a fixed overclock (which is when you just edit the ratio and voltage) don't touch p states at all. Also make sure windows is using Ryzen balanced powerplan or high performance.

 

Also use the latest bios available.

[Jamuro]

and at what voltage?

 

Alsoc check the base clock, did your ram oc change it?

[Zyndo]

6 minutes ago, Jamuro said:

See the giant dip in your cpu usage during the benchmark (the overclocked version)?

 

That's your problem.

For one reason or another your cpu got throttled there.

A 4.1 oc for any ryzen is what one the lucky top % achieve ... and you went straight for it.

 

First off disable the auto voltage part and return the values to factory settings.

 

Then grab yourself some monitoring tools (cpuz is the only one that comes to mind but dig around)

 

Take it slow and increase from 3,6 in 50 to 100 mhz increments.

Once you have a stable benchmark with that (at 3,6 or 3,7 ghz) start decreasing the voltage slowly until you reach the point where it is no longer stable.

 

Then up the voltage again and go another 100 or 50 mhz increment and increase the voltage until that runs stable.

You will see that each round of oc from there on will start to "cost" a lot higher increments in voltage and will have to decide where you want to stop.

 

DO NOT just smash in random numbers you have seen someone else achieve and hope for the best.

Overclocking takes time (A LOT OF TIME) and the way you are doing it right now is only good at killing your hardware.

lots of silly and pointless advice going on here. 4,1GHz isn't a "top %" oc for ANY Ryzen.... 4.1 is even within the XFR of the 1800x. 4.1 is barely above the boost clock/XFR of many other Ryzen chips as well 4.1 is barely above the XFR of a R5 1600x, so its not unreasonable to start at 4.1GHz... its literally the first OC number he should try since it boosts 4.0GHz stable on its own stock settings (or he could try 4.0GHz with tighter voltage if that is more his thing). doesn't make any real sense to "overclock" to below your boost clock.

 

Next, you should try to understand why the CPU throttled. If his thermals are reporting correctly (which is definitely a problem with newer platforms) then his temps are well within reason, therefore urging him to reset his overclocks and start from scratch makes no sense. all that is going to do is help get runaway thermals under control. your starting point of 3.6GHz makes no sense, as explained above, and your overclocking guide makes no sense in itself. bumping up MHz slowly and incrementally is a decent idea (but as explained earlier, 4.1GHz really should be his starting point considering the stock performance of his CPU, and starting at 3.6GHz is nonsense) but telling him to tighten his voltages as much as he can before increasing his frequency again literally makes no sense at all. the only time you want to tighten your voltages is when you're at your final overclock number, and you believe that pushing its frequency further is outside of your comfort zone, or if thermals are just getting too high. Tightening your voltages any time before that makes no sense at all.

 

The proper overclock method is find a happy starting point (usually just above your stock settings) and then bump the frequency up until it becomes unstable, then bump up the voltage until its stable, then frequency, then voltage, then frequency, and so on until you reach something you're comfortable with, or you reach your thermal limits (or recommended voltage limits as determined by the manufacturers for 24/7 OC, but I would define this as part of your "comfort zone"). Once you reach the upper limit of your frequency due to comfort or thermal limits, its at this point you tighten your voltage and get it as low as possible without making yourself unstable. I could understand why you think overclocking takes "A LOT OF TIME".... it would definitely take a long ass time doing it the way you're saying it needs to be done lol. Overclocking itself takes not a ton of time, but running your long term stability tests do. You should only need to run those a few times. the way you sound to be doing it.... I mean it must take you weeks lol.

 

Hes not going to break his hardware doing what he did, or doing what I recommended (which is what most people recommend, not sure where you got those extra ideas from).

[Fleanuts]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Have you altered p states? messing with VID in p state control caps your cpu at 2GHz ish, If you do a p state overclock follow the guide in my sig. If you do a fixed overclock (which is when you just edit the ratio and voltage) don't touch p states at all. Also make sure windows is using Ryzen balanced powerplan or high performance.

 

Also use the latest bios available.

I dont think ive touched that. Im fairly new at Oc'ing and if it is changed it was not an intention of mine. I'm not positive where to find it on my board. Crosshair VI hero, but i will boot into bios and definetly try to hunt it down. How would I check for the ryzen power plan? I am on the latest drivers (17.10) and from what I thought, that is what it gets configured to automatically.

[Jamuro]

Just now, Zyndo said:

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First off there is quite a difference between reaching 4,1 ghz with xfr on ONE CORE or overclocking all of his 6 cores to that.

Then the whole idea behind him starting from scratch and with a system was to help him figure out what exactly is causing the stability issues (or at least give him a way to oc at least until he hits the first roadblock)

 

And lastly, he started with 1,4 volt with his first try ... so yeah he sure as hell has to try and tighten his voltage. 

Especially since i am suspecting that he otherwise would leave it at that no matter the actuall oc he got in the end.

(Basically i tried to show him how to get back to something stable and how he could proceed from there)

 

He did tell us that this is his time overclocking ... which is why i tried to give him a "simple" way of working things out instead of throwing possible oc values at him.

THere certainly are faster ways, but well i think for a first time overclocker it's better to go at it slow and systematically.

 

 

So please give him advise on how to isolate issues and how to proceed, instead of throwing random numbers at him (especially wrong ones)

Edit:

My bad, your last paragraph did exactly that ... so yeah

 

[Zyndo]

49 minutes ago, Fleanuts said:

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from the looks of your reporting software, you're getting throttled as a result of insufficient power. you also have some inaccuracies in your reporting softwares. in your "overclocked to 4.0GHz" image, task manager reports your CPU running at 4GHz (which is what you're wanting) whereas HW monitor reports it running at 2200MHz. Windows 10 itself does some automatic power adjustments, so I would recommend checking on those first.

 

in bottom left side of windows 10 is your cortana/search bar. type "power settings" in that box and hit enter. from there, click the tab "power and sleep" on the left side of the window that popped up. click "additional power settings". if its not currently active, select the "high performance" power option (for some reason, "balanced" or "power saving" usually comes as the default setting, and this can interfere with some systems more than others). After doing that, click "change plan settings" of the high performance plan. click on "change advanced power settings", scroll down to "processor power management" and check your "minimum processor state" and "maximum processor state". ensure that your maximum processor state is at 100% (that way windows doesn't prevent you from running at anything less than what you want it to run at under load). You can set your minimum to whatever you want really (so long as its not too low) as it will just affect CPU performance during idle times, but not having that maximum at 100% could lead to issues with overclocking.

 

its unlikely to be the sole cause of your problem, and its likely a BIOS setting somewhere since XFR seemed to be getting you to 4.1GHz under stock settings just fine. I would recommend resetting the BIOS to default settings and/or clearing CMOS then redialing in your overclocks in case you accidentally changed a setting somewhere you shouldn't have or were unaware of. but other than that, unfortunately working out power delivery problems aren't my forte. I would recommend removing your memory OC for the time being and just running it at stock until you figure this out to eliminate it as a possible cause. nothing wrong with 2933 and its unlikely its causing issues with CPU power, but just as a troubleshooting method I would recommend reducing as many variables as you can.

 

[Fleanuts]

3 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

from the looks of your reporting software, you're getting throttled as a result of insufficient power. you also have some inaccuracies in your reporting softwares. in your "overclocked to 4.0GHz" image, task manager reports your CPU running at 4GHz (which is what you're wanting) whereas HW monitor reports it running at 2200MHz. Windows 10 itself does some automatic power adjustments, so I would recommend checking on those first.

 

in bottom left side of windows 10 is your cortana/search bar. type "power settings" in that box and hit enter. from there, click the tab "power and sleep" on the left side of the window that popped up. click "additional power settings". if its not currently active, select the "high performance" power option (for some reason, "balanced" or "power saving" usually comes as the default setting, and this can interfere with some systems more than others). After doing that, click "change plan settings" of the high performance plan. click on "change advanced power settings", scroll down to "processor power management" and check your "minimum processor state" and "maximum processor state". ensure that your maximum processor state is at 100% (that way windows doesn't prevent you from running at anything less than what you want it to run at under load). You can set your minimum to whatever you want really (so long as its not too low) as it will just affect CPU performance during idle times, but not having that maximum at 100% could lead to issues with overclocking.

 

its unlikely to be the sole cause of your problem, and its likely a BIOS setting somewhere since XFR seemed to be getting you to 4.1GHz under stock settings just fine. I would recommend resetting the BIOS to default settings and/or clearing CMOS then redialing in your overclocks in case you accidentally changed a setting somewhere you shouldn't have or were unaware of. but other than that, unfortunately working out power delivery problems aren't my forte. I would recommend removing your memory OC for the time being and just running it at stock until you figure this out to eliminate it as a possible cause. nothing wrong with 2933 and its unlikely its causing issues with CPU power, but just as a troubleshooting method I would recommend reducing as many variables as you can.

 

My Maximum power plan is in MHz and it was set to 0. should I change it to what I desire to OC the card to as a baseline first OC to test?

[Zyndo]

1 hour ago, Jamuro said:

First off there is quite a difference between reaching 4,1 ghz with xfr on ONE CORE or overclocking all of his 6 cores to that

that's fair. from my understanding Ryzen boosts more than 1 core at a time, but its certainly not all cores simultaneously. that being said its not usually one specific core that boosts up, but rather the cores that need the boost most to do the work they're assigned. so all the cores should be able to hit 4.1Ghz just fine. the only question is the thermals and voltages to get there.

1 hour ago, Jamuro said:

And lastly, he started with 1,4 volt with his first try ... so yeah he sure as hell has to try and tighten his voltage

no point in trying to tighten his voltages if 1.4V can't make his desired OC stable anyway. in fact he may even have to turn it up from there (Ryzen recommended limit for daily use is 1.425 from what I hear). So, again, telling him to tighten his voltages before hes stable at the frequency he desires doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

1 hour ago, Fleanuts said:

My Maximum power plan is in MHz and it was set to 0. should I change it to what I desire to OC the card to as a baseline first OC to test?

you have a frequency range in that area and not a %? could you upload a screenshot so I know you're in the right area? Perhaps Ryzen makes windows react differently to this setting?

 

What version of Windows are you running?

[Fleanuts]

Just now, Zyndo said:

you have a frequency range in that area and not a %? could you upload a screenshot so I know you're in the right area? Perhaps Ryzen makes windows react differently to this setting?

 

What version of Windows are you running?

I'm running windows 10 64 bit 

https://gyazo.com/fcfa7fc4bb3a233d3a2850023a9e3604

The minimum is a % and its set to 100, the max is a number. but i was on power saver mode. so that could help, I know that much. so thanks for that, got it out fo the way instead of in the future.

[Zyndo]

Just now, Fleanuts said:

I'm running windows 10 64 bit 

https://gyazo.com/fcfa7fc4bb3a233d3a2850023a9e3604

The minimum is a % and its set to 100, the max is a number. but i was on power saver mode. so that could help, I know that much. so thanks for that, got it out fo the way instead of in the future.

interesting... you had an extra tab which I've never seen before... perhaps thats an extra setting accessible to Ryzen systems?

 

anywho, your frequency setting is in the tab "maximum processor frequency", the tab I was asking you to look for is "Maximum processor state" which is just below it. if your minimum state is 100% already, then odds are your maximum is also at 100%, but make sure you go there and check just to be sure (and set it to 100% if its not already). I might even recommend setting the Max Processor Frequency back to 0MHz (which should actually equate to no limit) but its your computer you can do what you want.

 

Since I believe your issue is caused by a lack of power, the simple switch from "power saving mode" to "high performance mode" should likely fix your issues, but let us know either way.

[Fleanuts]

4 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

interesting... you had an extra tab which I've never seen before... perhaps thats an extra setting accessible to Ryzen systems?

 

anywho, your frequency setting is in the tab "maximum processor frequency", the tab I was asking you to look for is "Maximum processor state" which is just below it. if your minimum state is 100% already, then odds are your maximum is also at 100%, but make sure you go there and check just to be sure (and set it to 100% if its not already). I might even recommend setting the Max Processor Frequency back to 0MHz (which should actually equate to no limit) but its your computer you can do what you want.

 

Since I believe your issue is caused by a lack of power, the simple switch from "power saving mode" to "high performance mode" should likely fix your issues, but let us know either way.

Oh I missed that setting entirely, but yes they were both 100%. Will go back into bios and test now. Thanks for the help, ill keep you updated.

[Jamuro]

Just now, Fleanuts said:

I'm running windows 10 64 bit 

https://gyazo.com/fcfa7fc4bb3a233d3a2850023a9e3604

The minimum is a % and its set to 100, the max is a number. but i was on power saver mode. so that could help, I know that much. so thanks for that, got it out fo the way instead of in the future.

 

So you are still on a 4,1ghz overclock?

Well heck, run the benchmarks again but if it's still botched ...

 

I would strongly recommend you tune it back at least somewhat (3,8 or lower honestly) and disable the ram oc profile in your bios while you are there too.

Your goal right now should be to get something stable.

 

Then oc your ram again and check if that's causing issues.

If that's working fine then and only then you can start bumping your cpu's overclock.

 

Sticking with an oc that isn't stable in the hopes of figuring out a solution isn't very likley to work out. 

Not that i don't wish for you to reach your 4,1 ghz goal, but you are right now wokring on the problem from the wrong end

 

 

[Fleanuts]

Just now, Jamuro said:

 

So you are still on a 4,1ghz overclock?

Well heck, run the benchmarks again but if it's still botched ...

 

I would strongly recommend you tune it back at least somewhat (3,8 or lower honestly) and disable the ram oc profile in your bios while you are there too.

Your goal right now should be to get something stable.

 

Then oc your ram again and check if that's causing issues.

If that's working fine then and only then you can start bumping your cpu's overclock.

 

Sticking with an oc that isn't stable in the hopes of figuring out a solution isn't very likley to work out. 

Not that i don't wish for you to reach your 4,1 ghz goal, but you are right now wokring on the problem from the wrong end

 

 

No i am about to go Oc again, i had reset the bios back to default.

[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, Jamuro said:

I would strongly recommend you tune it back at least somewhat (3,8 or lower honestly) and disable the ram oc profile in your bios while you are there too.

Your goal right now should be to get something stable

we don't even know that what he has is unstable (at least from my understanding of his issue) because hes unable to even make it run at the settings he's inputting. at least that was my understanding of the problem he was having

[Fleanuts]

Here is my test at 3.8 with a 1.4 Voltage---https://gyazo.com/5396f252003fb4dc682723a757f79571

 I did notice Cinebench thinks im running windows 8??? Do you think my OS had a problem when I swapped boards? I dont really feel like the OS could cause a problem like this but this is new territory and you never know

 

1 hour ago, Zyndo said:

we don't even know that what he has is unstable (at least from my understanding of his issue) because hes unable to even make it run at the settings he's inputting. at least that was my understanding of the problem he was having

https://gyazo.com/5396f252003fb4dc682723a757f79571

  So the problem has not been solved, what should I try to see next? Cinebench thinks im running windows 8? would an os problem when board swapping cause any issues?

[Jamuro]

Just now, Fleanuts said:

https://gyazo.com/5396f252003fb4dc682723a757f79571

  So the problem has not been solved, what should I try to see next? Cinebench thinks im running windows 8? would an os problem when board swapping cause any issues?

Does cpuz give you the 2,1 ghz result from the get go or after the throttling?

 

And no the os thing while new to me apparently happens quite often (at least google claims it does^^)

[Zyndo]

1 minute ago, Fleanuts said:

https://gyazo.com/5396f252003fb4dc682723a757f79571

  So the problem has not been solved, what should I try to see next? Cinebench thinks im running windows 8? would an os problem when board swapping cause any issues?

OS could definitely cause a wide variety of issues, but the big thing i keep seeing is how little wattage your CPU is using. it could be a faulty reporting issue or it could be a real tangible problem. I can't say either way. I have great in depth knowledge of the basic overclocking steps, but little knowledge beyond very specific options beyond that. if your stock BIOS settings produce the expected levels of performance and your custom settings do not, then I would highly recommend checking EVERYTHING in your custom settings and adjusting as few things as possible from the default loadout. look into a Ryzen OC guide using your exact motherboard (they are quite common for the crosshair). do not use adaptive voltage modes, or LLC settings, or anything like that which allows for automagic adjustment of the voltage perameters. set a fixed voltage without allowance for any variance and see if that straightens it out.

 

[Fleanuts]

1 hour ago, Jamuro said:

Does cpuz give you the 2,1 ghz result from the get go or after the throttling?

 

And no the os thing while new to me apparently happens quite often (at least google claims it does^^)

As soon as either HW monitor is open or CPU-Z it tells me 2,1. My Task mgnr tells me its speed and max speed are the same at all times aswell.

 

56 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

OS could definitely cause a wide variety of issues, but the big thing i keep seeing is how little wattage your CPU is using. it could be a faulty reporting issue or it could be a real tangible problem. I can't say either way. I have great in depth knowledge of the basic overclocking steps, but little knowledge beyond very specific options beyond that. if your stock BIOS settings produce the expected levels of performance and your custom settings do not, then I would highly recommend checking EVERYTHING in your custom settings and adjusting as few things as possible from the default loadout. look into a Ryzen OC guide using your exact motherboard (they are quite common for the crosshair). do not use adaptive voltage modes, or LLC settings, or anything like that which allows for automagic adjustment of the voltage perameters. set a fixed voltage without allowance for any variance and see if that straightens it out.

 

I'm only really changing three settings. One setting to set it to 3800mhz, one setting sets the volts to manual, and the last setting set the volts to 1,4. I dont know if I'm missing a step? I watched the Paul's hardware video where he explains how to overclock ryzen. This video right here--- 

I dont know what could be causing it to not use the wattage im allowing it.

[Zyndo]

52 minutes ago, Fleanuts said:

As soon as either HW monitor is open or CPU-Z it tells me 2,1. My Task mgnr tells me its speed and max speed are the same at all times aswell.

do you maybe have the BCLK set below 100? you could be trying to do something like a 41x multiplier on a 60.00 bclk