Is this a balanced build?

[Vandorlot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WffMd6

I have been trying to get the best build for a while now. Before anyone starts flaming me for getting an i5, I am only doing gaming so an r5 is not needed. Also, before someone recommends it, I don't want an s340 or an s340 elite. The final thing I want to say is that I really want an m.2 and I by the time I run out of space, I would have enough money to buy an HHD.

[SquintyG33Rs]

you don't need to buy thermal paste the 212EVO comes with some. and RX580 should be a better bang for the buck at that price range (you might want the nvida option though so do what ever you want). and lastly you don't need to buy extra fans the case comes with plenty and they're good enough

[stealth80]

4 minutes ago, Vandorlot said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WffMd6

I have been trying to get the best build for a while now. Before anyone starts flaming me for getting an i5, I am only doing gaming so an r5 is not needed. Also, before someone recommends it, I don't want an s340 or an s340 elite. The final thing I want to say is that I really want an m.2 and I by the time I run out of space, I would have enough money to buy an HHD.

Did you already buy the i5? That's a really bad idea, ive been advising against i5's for gaming long before Ryzen appeared, the R5 just gives a cheaper alternative to the i7, I would also take a 580 over the 1060 

[DocSwag]

Even if you're only gaming I still think Ryzen is a better option due to it having higher minimums. I'd also take a 580 over a 1060.

[Vandorlot]

4 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Did you already buy the i5? That's a really bad idea, ive been advising against i5's for gaming long before Ryzen appeared, the R5 just gives a cheaper alternative to the i7, I would also take a 580 over the 1060 

 

i7 doesnt majorly impact gaming performance. 

[Vandorlot]

12 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

you don't need to buy thermal paste the 212EVO comes with some. and RX580 should be a better bang for the buck at that price range (you might want the nvida option though so do what ever you want). and lastly you don't need to buy extra fans the case comes with plenty and they're good enough

 

It comes with 2 fans. I want the nvidia option.

[Flavlus]

24 minutes ago, Vandorlot said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WffMd6

I have been trying to get the best build for a while now. Before anyone starts flaming me for getting an i5, I am only doing gaming so an r5 is not needed. Also, before someone recommends it, I don't want an s340 or an s340 elite. The final thing I want to say is that I really want an m.2 and I by the time I run out of space, I would have enough money to buy an HHD.

 

I would get a better PSU and downgrade to 8GB or ram. Also downgrade the CPU. You don't need to overclock for gaming or just run a ryzen 1600 or 1600x for cheap overclocking and better for multitasking too.  IMO 16GB is a bit overkill for gaming. Not much point in an M.2 ssd either I think .. save some money and get a standard Sata SSD as day to day you will see no difference unless transferring large files and things like that. 
 

So to summerise :

16GB to 8GB, 

Downgrade CPU or Go Ryzen 1600/1600x,

M.2 to Sata SSD,

Upgrade PSU to a better brand , 

Upgrade to 1070 with all the money you just saved  

[MrJarhead]

4 minutes ago, Flavlus said:

I would get a better PSU and downgrade to 8GB or ram. Also downgrade the CPU. You don't need to overclock for gaming or just run a ryzen 1600 or 1600x for cheap overclocking and better for multitasking too.  IMO 16GB is a bit overkill for gaming. Not much point in an M.2 ssd either I think .. save some money and get a standard Sata SSD as day to day you will see no difference unless transferring large files and things like that. 
 

So to summerise :

16GB to 8GB, 

Downgrade CPU or Go Ryzen 1600/1600x,

M.2 to Sata SSD,

Upgrade PSU to a better brand , 

Upgrade to 1070 with all the money you just saved  

16gb of ram is a better option than 8gb and every gamer knows it, a lot of games these days eat ram like hell.

 

and downgrade cpu? silly thing to do also. ryzen would be a good choice, but a downgrade from either would be a bad choice.

[Flavlus]

6 minutes ago, MrJarhead said:

16gb of ram is a better option than 8gb and every gamer knows it, a lot of games these days eat ram like hell.

 

and downgrade cpu? silly thing to do also. ryzen would be a good choice, but a downgrade from either would be a bad choice.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4YrCy TRY This on for size, Which build do you think will run games better. 
There are very few games that need 16gb. but ok here it is with 16GB:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdGf4C

[stealth80]

27 minutes ago, Vandorlot said:

i7 doesnt majorly impact gaming performance. 

no no no - in the last 6 - 10 months there has been many titiles benefiting from the extra threads of an i7. It is also not just about FPS, but frame times. The age old advice of i5's for gaming is dead - I'm not saying everyone with an i5 must upgrade, but I would advise anyone building fresh go with a 7700k or a Ryzen 5 if on a tighter budget

 

check out this picture showing an i5 vs i7, red and brown been the i7 and blue/green been the i5, see how much more stable the i7's frame times are? This will present itself as stutter free gaming, and this is only battlefield 4

 

 

 

[Flavlus]

7 minutes ago, MrJarhead said:

16gb of ram is a better option than 8gb and every gamer knows it, a lot of games these days eat ram like hell.

 

and downgrade cpu? silly thing to do also. ryzen would be a good choice, but a downgrade from either would be a bad choice.

 

or my preferred build  https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GfVYBP i think this is best

[stealth80]

3 minutes ago, Flavlus said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4YrCy TRY This on for size, Which build do you think will run games better. 
There are very few games that need 16gb. but ok here it is with 16GB:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdGf4C

You would think wouldn't you? 

 

 

19gb ram usage at 4k, cant remember if it was Rise of the Tomb Raider or GTAv

[Flavlus]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

You would think wouldn't you? 

 

 

19gb ram usage at 4k, cant remember if it was Rise of the Tomb Raider or GTAv

 

He is only gaming at 1080p. I know at 4k you can use more ram. 1080p has 1/4 of the pixels of 4k

I have never saturated when I played at 1080p .. then again ive upgraded my own system to 16gb ram and 4k display for the past year or so. So if new games really do saturate it I wouldnt know.  And at the and of the day if i had to pick between 8gb ram and 1070 and 16gb ramand 1060 i would pick the 1070 everytime. I i think most people would too. AKA if those few dolars is the difference between 1070 and 1060 .. save on the ram and get a 1070. You will get more frames going 1060 to 1070 than 8gb to 16gb

 

[Flavlus]

9 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

no no no - in the last 6 - 10 months there has been many titiles benefiting from the extra threads of an i7. It is also not just about FPS, but frame times. The age old advice of i5's for gaming is dead - I'm not saying everyone with an i5 must upgrade, but I would advise anyone building fresh go with a 7700k or a Ryzen 5 if on a tighter budget

 

check out this picture showing an i5 vs i7, red and brown been the i7 and blue/green been the i5, see how much more stable the i7's frame times are? This will present itself as stutter free gaming, and this is only battlefield 4

 

 

 

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This is why i recomend the ryzen over i5 . and if going i5 .. might aswell cheap out and get a cheaper i5 as you are still more limited by the core count as all i5 are high enpough cloked for 90% of games.  ... Moto of the story go Ryzen 1600 / 1600x if you cant afford i7 

 

[Flavlus]

9 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

You would think wouldn't you? 

 

 

19gb ram usage at 4k, cant remember if it was Rise of the Tomb Raider or GTAv

 

Also 5% Cpu Usage ? what ?

[SquintyG33Rs]

2 minutes ago, Flavlus said:

Also 5% Cpu Usage ? what ?

ok chill guys this isn't a 4k gaming build

13 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

You would think wouldn't you? 

 

 

19gb ram usage at 4k, cant remember if it was Rise of the Tomb Raider or GTAv

 

[MrJarhead]

doesnt matter whether its 4k or not, games these days will still eat up more than 8gb of ram, battlefield 1 at 1080p uses around 9-10gb of ram.

[Flavlus]

1 hour ago, Vandorlot said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WffMd6

I have been trying to get the best build for a while now. Before anyone starts flaming me for getting an i5, I am only doing gaming so an r5 is not needed. Also, before someone recommends it, I don't want an s340 or an s340 elite. The final thing I want to say is that I really want an m.2 and I by the time I run out of space, I would have enough money to buy an HHD.

 

Please have a look here   https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GfVYBP I think this is a better option. you get better everything for not much more. 

[stealth80]

5 minutes ago, Flavlus said:

Also 5% Cpu Usage ? what ?

I don't think it is usage/utilisation (4790k)  cant remember, that is back when I had SLI 970's and a the G15, been on a 1080 and Corsair K65 for a while now. But ye, was freak situation and only those games did it - I was having low system memory crashes at 16gb so upgraded to 32gb. All my other games at 4k were fine. 

 

5 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

ok chill guys this isn't a 4k gaming build

 

Huh chill? Lol we're just discussing

[Flavlus]

1 minute ago, MrJarhead said:

doesnt matter whether its 4k or not, games these days will still eat up more than 8gb of ram, battlefield 1 at 1080p uses around 9-10gb of ram.

I was talking more for a perspective of 8gb with 1070 or 16gb with 1060. what runs the games better? 

[MrJarhead]

Just now, Flavlus said:

I was talking more for a perspective of 8gb with 1070 or 16gb with 1060. what runs the games better? 

well the one with the 1070, but whats the point having a 1070 if the games you play will crash due to not having enough memory?

 

not saying all games use more than 8gb but the ones that do screw you over.

[Flavlus]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

I don't think it is usage/utilisation (4790k)  cant remember, that is back when I had SLI 970's and a the G15, been on a 1080 and Corsair K65 for a while now. But ye, was freak situation and only those games did it - I was having low system memory crashes at 16gb so upgraded to 32gb. All my other games at 4k were fine. 

 

Huh chill? Lol we're just discussing

 

Ok so might be reading abit wrong on the cpu usage or whatever. i get you point though about the ram .. maybe go 16gb but really do try squeze a 1070 in there IMO

[stealth80]

Just now, Flavlus said:

Ok so might be reading abit wrong on the cpu usage or whatever. i get you point though about the ram .. maybe go 16gb but really do try squeze a 1070 in there IMO

I agree with your point of 1070 + 8gb and 1060 + 16gb.  But I would add that other 8gb asap 

[Flavlus]

Just now, MrJarhead said:

well the one with the 1070, but whats the point having a 1070 if the games you play will crash due to not having enough memory?

Your game should not crash from not enough memory. I run Fallout 4 and similar games on a scrapyard wars style computer with 2gb ram just fine. but had a little stutter on some games.. managed to upgrade to 4gb and run perfectly fine at 1080p. Yes it maxes out the ram but its still fine 

[MrJarhead]

2 minutes ago, Flavlus said:

Ok so might be reading abit wrong on the cpu usage or whatever. i get you point though about the ram .. maybe go 16gb but really do try squeze a 1070 in there IMO

you mentioned about him playing at 1080p saying you would rather get a 1070 and 8gb, yet a 1060 is fine for 1080p so i dont get it xD.