New to overclocking, help

[VicRik]

Hi guys,

 

I am very close to starting my first own build. I am looking to get into overclocking (probably a 1600). But I have no idea how that works. I'd like to know what is the best way to learn how to overclock and whether it is difficult or not.

Thanks!

 

-VicRik

[kladzen]

First, learn how to build a computer.

 

And no It's not hard to overclock. Extreme overclocking, yes but that also requires a bunch more requirements... But a basic overclock etc from 3.0ghz to 3.9 - does not require any special requirements other than a multiper that needs to be changed and cpu voltage.. and ofc the proper cooling.. I suggest all-in-one watercooling for your first build. that's the basic.... And watch youtube video's from Linus, Jay or any other tech channel's you like about overclocking a CPU and you get the idea of what needs to be done....

 

Etc google what other people are able to OC your CPU to aswell.. to get a basic idea of how far you can push your CPU...

[VicRik]

Just now, kladzen said:

First, learn how to build a computer.

 

And no It's not hard to overclock. Extreme overclocking, yes but that also requires a bunch more requirements... But a basic overclock etc from 3.0ghz to 3.9 - does not require any special requirements other than a multiper that needs to be changed and cpu voltage.. and ofc the proper cooling.. I suggest all-in-one watercooling for your first build. that's the basic.... And watch youtube video's from Linus, Jay or any other tech channel's you like about overclocking a CPU and you get the idea of what needs to be done....

 

Etc google what other people are able to OC your CPU to aswell.. to get a basic idea of how far you can push your CPU...

Thanks!

[Lord Nicoll]

13 minutes ago, VicRik said:

Hi guys,

 

I am very close to starting my first own build. I am looking to get into overclocking (probably a 1600). But I have no idea how that works. I'd like to know what is the best way to learn how to overclock and whether it is difficult or not.

Thanks!

 

-VicRik

Hi VicRik,

Overclocking Ryzen is much harder than Intel, as AMD always has been a little more involved, and Intel has really simplified it to multiplier and Ratio and core voltage, with the R5 1600, you might wanna read up a lot more on RAM, how all the settings affect it and the voltages. When starting AMD might be a little harder, as Intel is easier to the learn the basics, but both can be really complicated when you get right into serious overclocking and pushing the chip to the very limit, in this AMD is actually easier as we know 4-4.4GHz (you'd be REALLY lucky to get a 4.4GHz chip, those are usually only pushing a chip to near breaking point on super high end water cooling) is the max for Ryzen, whereas something like Kabylake if cooled well can kinda keep going with almost linear voltage to frequency well into the liquid nitrogen range of 7GHz, where most max out at. 

[Simon771]

There are few videos from Jayz2cents and LinusTech where the are overclocking Ryzen. There are also a lot of guides avaliable, that you can check. Most basic is: change multiplier to 40, increase voltage to 1,35V and hope it works. If not, increase voltage to 1,375V. If not, go to 1,4V (if you can keep temps in check ofc.). That's just the basic. 

Expert overclocking have much more options and it somehow depends on motherboard that you are using.

[tom_w141]

42 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Hi VicRik,

Overclocking Ryzen is much harder than Intel, as AMD always has been a little more involved, and Intel has really simplified it to multiplier and Ratio and core voltage, with the R5 1600, you might wanna read up a lot more on RAM, how all the settings affect it and the voltages. When starting AMD might be a little harder, as Intel is easier to the learn the basics, but both can be really complicated when you get right into serious overclocking and pushing the chip to the very limit, in this AMD is actually easier as we know 4-4.4GHz (you'd be REALLY lucky to get a 4.4GHz chip, those are usually only pushing a chip to near breaking point on super high end water cooling) is the max for Ryzen, whereas something like Kabylake if cooled well can kinda keep going with almost linear voltage to frequency well into the liquid nitrogen range of 7GHz, where most max out at. 

Set multiplier, set voltage, select RAM profile.

 

The exact process I followed to overclock my 1700 on my crosshair vi. Definitely much harder than Intel....

 

Also 4.4GHz on conventional cooling for Ryzen absolutely no chance... 23% of 1800Xs an achieve 4.1GHz. 4.2+ is absolutely unheard of without LN2. Please check your facts before advising people.

 

You are correct about RAM though, initial ryzen support for RAM is not 100% so if you want the rated speed e.g. 3000 then you need to check the manufacturer QVL list for your motherboard. However RAM updates should follow around May time.

[Lord Nicoll]

4 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Set multiplier, set voltage, select RAM profile.

 

The exact process I followed to overclock my 1700 on my crosshair vi. Definitely much harder than Intel....

 

Also 4.4GHz on conventional cooling for Ryzen absolutely no chance... 23% of 1800Xs an achieve 4.1GHz. 4.2+ is absolutely unheard of without LN2. Please check your facts before advising people.

 

You are correct about RAM though, initial ryzen support for RAM is not 100% so if you want the rated speed e.g. 3000 then you need to check the manufacturer QVL list for your motherboard. However RAM updates should follow around May time.

Even on Ryzen, it isn't as simple as that, RAM sub timings are locked (I thought they'd have unlocked that by now but I haven't checked if they have) so you might wanna use a difference baseclock for the CPU and RAM, hence it isn't as simple, there is also more voltages (expect on Haswell, there was a lot) to set and fiddle with if you wanna get the most. I meant to say phase change not water cooling for 4.4GHz, that was my mistake. You'd probably have the luckiest .01% chip to hit 4.4GHz on Ryzen with just water. 

[tom_w141]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Even on Ryzen, it isn't as simple as that, RAM sub timings are locked (I thought they'd have unlocked that by now but I haven't checked if they have) so you might wanna use a difference baseclock for the CPU and RAM, hence it isn't as simple, there is also more voltages (expect on Haswell, there was a lot) to set and fiddle with if you wanna get the most. I meant to say phase change not water cooling for 4.4GHz, that was my mistake. You'd probably have the luckiest .01% chip to hit 4.4GHz on Ryzen with just water. 

On MY R7 1700 (I own and use it)

 

All I had to do was: set cpu multiplier, vcore and select the 2933 RAM profile (not called XMP because that's an Intel term), I did not adjust timings or RAM voltage. I just selected it and it worked at the rated speed.

 

Did you even read my 1st post? I've done this and you haven't by the sound of it.

 

Btw timings are not locked I can set them if I want.

 

EDIT: I have since done a more advanced overclock (see guide in my forum sig) but above was the basic "day one" overclock I did.

[Lord Nicoll]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

On MY R7 1700 (I own and use it)

 

All I had to do was: set cpu multiplier, vcore and select the 2933 RAM profile (not called XMP because that's an Intel term), I did not adjust timings or RAM voltage. I just selected it and it worked at the rated speed.

 

Did you even read my 1st post? I've done this and you haven't by the sound of it.

 

Btw timings are not locked I can set them if I want.

not timings, sub-timings, did you even read my reply? The higher clocked Ryzen memory settings have bad sub timings, now I'm assuming they've improved them since launch. I don't own any current Ryzen CPU's because there is nothing for me. they don't have the large core count and RAM requirements for my large uses, and they don't have the clock speed or IPCs for my other uses (mostly gaming) so I never bothered to get any. The ECC support is nice but until they release the dual socket server chips I won't really consider them, 

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

not timings, sub-timings, did you even read my reply? The higher clocked Ryzen memory settings have bad sub timings, now I'm assuming they've improved them since launch. I don't own any current Ryzen CPU's because there is nothing for me. they don't have the large core count and RAM requirements for my large uses, and they don't have the clock speed or IPCs for my other uses (mostly gaming) so I never bothered to get any. The ECC support is nice but until they release the dual socket server chips I won't really consider them, 

I cannot recall off the top of my head but i'll check if they are locked later. Even on the 1st BIOS I used which was an early one (yes it had its bugs) still allowed me to do these "one click" OCs on the 1st day. To be honest I think you are falsely advising the OP saying its much harder than Intel, when you don't even own any of them. I think you should say "finer grain of control" than Intel which is true there are a lot more options, however the basic user can pretty much leave them all on auto and just adjust cpu multiplier, vcore and RAM profile.

[Lord Nicoll]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

I cannot recall off the top of my head but i'll check if they are locked later. Even on the 1st BIOS I used which was an early one (yes it had its bugs) still allowed me to do these "one click" OCs on the 1st day. To be honest I think you are falsely advising the OP saying its much harder than Intel, when you don't even own any of them. I think you should say "finer grain of control" than Intel which is true there are a lot more options, however the basic user can pretty much leave them all on auto and just adjust cpu multiplier, vcore and RAM profile.

In many ways a lot of voltage settings as found on Ryzen as similar to Haswell, and I do recall there being a lot more confusion about Haswell, mostly "what the hell as all these voltages" from friends, I don't know if that was as wide spread on places like here, but compare Kaby Lake (and Skylake as they're almost the same), which only has a handful of voltages (Vcore+Cache locked together, system agent, Dram, PLL, idle vcore, and the IO voltage, half of them are DRAM related and most of the others are Core related) so to a new user, They'd only need a few pointers, but for Ryzen (again, since the updates the only Ryzen CPU I've encountered on my friends PC seemed more stable, I had nothing to do with building it or overclocking however) they might be more confused by all the extra controls, which on Intel don't really make a massive difference even for LN2

[Simon771]

http://www.techradar.com/how-to/how-to-overclock-a-ryzen-processor 

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-overclocking-guide/

 

Take some time to read those 2 guides and go step by step.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, tom_w141 said:

To be honest I think you are falsely advising the OP saying its much harder than Intel, when you don't even own any of them. I think you should say "finer grain of control" than Intel which is true there are a lot more options, however the basic user can pretty much leave them all on auto and just adjust cpu multiplier, vcore and RAM profile.

There is no unlocked CPU that can't be overclocked with just vcore an multiplier. You may not get as far as you can get by messing with more settings, which is also true for any CPU. But basic multiplier OC is the same for AMD and Intel, new and old. 

[tom_w141]

36 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

There is no unlocked CPU that can't be overclocked with just vcore an multiplier. You may not get as far as you can get by messing with more settings, which is also true for any CPU. But basic multiplier OC is the same for AMD and Intel, new and old. 

I know that's what i'm saying  

[SpaceGhostC2C]

On 4/28/2017 at 7:18 PM, tom_w141 said:

I know that's what i'm saying  

And I was agreeing with you.