AMD Ryzen vs Haswell?

[jappypack]

How does it stack up in terms of IPC?

[Droidbot]

Similar, but Ryzen achieves significantly better results when higher clocked memory is added. CL doesn't matter with Ryzen from memory. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Pretty much the same....

[ArduinoBen]

You should definitely pick Ryzen.  But, what is your budget?

[jappypack]

Just now, ArduinoBen said:

You should definitely pick Ryzen.  But, what is your budget?

Meh, not sure what exactly my budget is... £450 I guess, at that rate I'd be better off going used?

[Droidbot]

Just now, jappypack said:

Meh, not sure what exactly my budget is... £450 I guess, at that rate I'd be better off going used?

Workstation or gaming? 

 

 

[jappypack]

Just now, Droidbot said:

Workstation or gaming? 

 

 

gaming

[Droidbot]

4 minutes ago, jappypack said:

gaming

With a 500GBP budget you can get a Skylake quad or probably a Haswell i7 used

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£161.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£42.30 @ Novatech) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£50.38 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  (£149.94 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£25.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£43.78 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £512.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Jumper118]

6 minutes ago, jappypack said:

Meh, not sure what exactly my budget is... £450 I guess, at that rate I'd be better off going used?

Yes definitely. but wait till after r5 comes out you might pick up a cheap bundle with an i5. As for a gpu, with that budget a used 290 or 970 would be a good bet. 

[jappypack]

6 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

Yes definitely. but wait till after r5 comes out you might pick up a cheap bundle with an i5. As for a gpu, with that budget a used 290 or 970 would be a good bet. 

the i5 4460 is there

but im probably gonna have to end up waiting for the summer to get new parts since i may not be trusted with used parts

[Jumper118]

6 minutes ago, jappypack said:

the i5 4460 is there

but im probably gonna have to end up waiting for the summer to get new parts since i may not be trusted with used parts

A locked Haswell i5 is pretty slow. Better off with an old 2500k or i7 920 lol. 

[jappypack]

2 hours ago, Jumper118 said:

A locked Haswell i5 is pretty slow. Better off with an old 2500k or i7 920 lol. 

What about the i5 2400?

I'm stuck on whether I should go used or a G4560 + GTX 1050.

[Jumper118]

1 hour ago, jappypack said:

What about the i5 2400?

I'm stuck on whether I should go used or a G4560 + GTX 1050.

by the end of summer there will be a totally different market, so there is no point talking about this now  

[jappypack]

20 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

by the end of summer there will be a totally different market, so there is no point talking about this now  

WAIT YOU UNLOCKED A 1500X TO 8 CORES? (read your bio)

(edit: its prolly a troll but has it ever been done? lol)

[Jumper118]

4 minutes ago, jappypack said:

WAIT YOU UNLOCKED A 1500X TO 8 CORES? (read your bio)

(edit: its prolly a troll but has it ever been done? lol)

this has been in my sig since 1800x came out.  

[Simon771]

41 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

by the end of summer there will be a totally different market, so there is no point talking about this now  

That's what I'm waiting for.

I will just wait for Skylake-X to be released and maybe even Vega. Then just give it some time and see how prices will stack up after all those CPUs and GPUs are out on the market. Also I'm still hoping that game developers will adapt to Ryzen, so it will be able to compete in games also.

[Fonzie92]

4 hours ago, Droidbot said:

With a 500GBP budget you can get a Skylake quad or probably a Haswell i7 used

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£161.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£42.30 @ Novatech) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£50.38 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  (£149.94 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£25.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£43.78 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £512.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-11 13:07 BST+0100

Wouldn't a g4560 be better and cost almost half the price as the i5 6400 though? If he's strictly gaming? (also, 20$ more changing to a b250m mobo too)

[jappypack]

15 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

That's what I'm waiting for.

I will just wait for Skylake-X to be released and maybe even Vega. Then just give it some time and see how prices will stack up after all those CPUs and GPUs are out on the market. Also I'm still hoping that game developers will adapt to Ryzen, so it will be able to compete in games also.

Yeah but, I probably won't be able to afford them. I wonder if I could get something like an i5 2400 and an R9 270X (which would be more than enough), and leave it at that until Tiger Lake or Ice Lake arrives.

I really like the i5 2500K, but the problem is that motherboards seem to cost a lot, and overclocking doesn't seem to raise  

gaming performance by a lot. 60hz monitor at 1080p... Having 100fps, even at league of legends, doesn't really matter to me because right now my main problem on my i5-3230M laptop is that I crash during matches, even when idling! It would cost too much to fix it and even then it would be easy to break again so I just want a new machine.

[Simon771]

56 minutes ago, jappypack said:

Yeah but, I probably won't be able to afford them. I wonder if I could get something like an i5 2400 and an R9 270X (which would be more than enough), and leave it at that until Tiger Lake or Ice Lake arrives.

I really like the i5 2500K, but the problem is that motherboards seem to cost a lot, and overclocking doesn't seem to raise  

gaming performance by a lot. 60hz monitor at 1080p... Having 100fps, even at league of legends, doesn't really matter to me because right now my main problem on my i5-3230M laptop is that I crash during matches, even when idling! It would cost too much to fix it and even then it would be easy to break again so I just want a new machine.

I'm not saying you should buy Skylake-X or Vega. But after those two are released, GPU and CPU prices will drop a bit. Not by much, but still.

As soon as new CPUs are released "older" ones get lower price.

[Droidbot]

6 hours ago, Fonzie92 said:

Wouldn't a g4560 be better and cost almost half the price as the i5 6400 though? If he's strictly gaming? (also, 20$ more changing to a b250m mobo too)

while the g4560 is a bloody good value chip nothing beats a true quad core for some games like GTAV, which absolutely hates dual-cores and BF1, which stutters on the G4560.

[jappypack]

16 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

while the g4560 is a bloody good value chip nothing beats a true quad core for some games like GTAV, which absolutely hates dual-cores and BF1, which stutters on the G4560.

Yeah but an overclocked 2500K beats it.

[Droidbot]

4 minutes ago, jappypack said:

Yeah but an overclocked 2500K beats it.

Beats the G4560 or the i5 6400?

2500k boards are expensive because people don't want to move away from the architecture, like X58 and X79 motherboards. 

 

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

37 minutes ago, jappypack said:

Yeah but an overclocked 2500K beats it.

maybe in peak FPS and averaged out over period of time FPS...but in terms of smoothness..framepacing, frametiming, micro-stuttering...perceived framerate is a lot better with a quad-core. G4560 is great for the price, but it does not offer anywhere as good a gaming experience as an i5-6400 for example.

 

it's a great place holder, if you can't afford an unlocked quad i'd say get the g4560 with a cheaper Z270 board and some fast DDR4 ram and use that until you can save enough for an i7...this is what i would do:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $272.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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,...and then later...upgrade:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($338.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $338.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[jappypack]

16 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

maybe in peak FPS and averaged out over period of time FPS...but in terms of smoothness..framepacing, frametiming, micro-stuttering...perceived framerate is a lot better with a quad-core. G4560 is great for the price, but it does not offer anywhere as good a gaming experience as an i5-6400 for example.

 

it's a great place holder, if you can't afford an unlocked quad i'd say get the g4560 with a cheaper Z270 board and some fast DDR4 ram and use that until you can save enough for an i7...this is what i would do:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $272.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-11 20:13 EDT-0400

 

,...and then later...upgrade:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($338.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $338.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-11 20:13 EDT-0400

i5 2500K is a quadcore so what I was thinking was getting this and waiting for Intel Tiger Lake...