6700 vs 6700k?

[OnionRings]

How much weaker is the 6700 compared to its K counterpart? Obviously, the K can overclock, I'm talking about stock speeds. Again yes the K has a higher base speed, but like in % how much slower is it? I imagine it's about 20% yea?

 

I was thinking about getting one, it's either I get a 6700 or I wait for ryzen 5, get one of those and a B350 board.

[PaperLuigi]

With your motherboard 6700 would be better since you can't over clock with it, but I think you should wait for ryzen if you really want a new CPU.

 

If all you do is game yours is fine though.

[OnionRings]

Just now, PaperLuigi said:

With your motherboard 6700 would be better, but I think you should wait for ryzen if you really want a new CPU.

 

If all you do is game yours is fine though.

 

I stream as well and having only 4 cores limits me severely. I have to encode with my GPU because my CPU just doesn't have the power needed to run a game and an encoder.

[PCGuy_5960]

Why would you get a K CPU and not overclock it?

[Guest]

Here see for yourself 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1554?vs=1543

[Guest]

10% or so, I'd say. CPU performance doesn't scale linearly, and I doubt you'd get that much from a 4GHz boost vs a 4.2GHz boost.

[Kd4lif3]

Ryzen 5 will have a better gaming value. Or get a 6600k. Easy overclock and it won't bottleneck anything (within reason). But the locked 6700 does have hyperthreding which is a deal breaker in most cases.

[CatXice]

if u get a 6700 u can buy a cheaper mobo coz you cant OC it there fore save money and buy better stuff in other places flipside if you dont want to OC your cpu coz you dont like it then get a 7700 on the cheaper mobo for example.

 

but on a money point of view have u looked at a 6700k and z170 mobo vs a 7700k on a h270 mobo for cost as they may end up at the same price.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Kd4lif3 said:

Ryzen 5 will have a better gaming value

It won't beat an i7 in games.....

2 minutes ago, Kd4lif3 said:

But the locked 6700 does have hyperthreding which is a deal breaker in most cases.

What??? WHY?

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Why would you get a K CPU and not overclock it?

I didn't say I was getting a K, I said the 6700. I just want to compare the K to the regular one to see if getting the regular one is a bad idea or not.

 

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Here see for yourself 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1554?vs=1543

 

I'll look.

 

1 minute ago, namandoesnotpanic said:

10% or so, I'd say. CPU performance doesn't scale linearly, and I doubt you'd get that much from a 4GHz boost vs a 4.2GHz boost.

10% is do-able.

 

1 minute ago, Kd4lif3 said:

Ryzen 5 will have a better gaming value. Or get a 6600k. Easy overclock and it won't bottleneck anything (within reason). But the locked 6700 does have hyperthreding which is a deal breaker in most cases.

 

Maybe Ryzen 5, I wanna wait for benchmarks first. No 6600k, I don't want to spend 200$ on that then 100$ on a Z170 board and be stuck at 4 cores again, the point of upgrading is for more threads.

 

Just now, CatXice said:

if u get a 6700 u can buy a cheaper mobo coz you cant OC it there fore save money and buy better stuff in other places flipside if you dont want to OC your cpu coz you dont like it then get a 7700 on the cheaper mobo for example 

 

Exactly, I already have a cheap motherboard.

[Shiv78]

Around 10-15%

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6700/3502vs3515

However you could get a i7-7700(K) instead if you update BIOS

 

Although, if you sell your CPU and mobo you could probably add a bit more cash and get a 6/7700K and a Z170 board

[Kd4lif3]

Idd get the 6700 not k because of the hyperthreding. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Kd4lif3 said:

Idd get the 6700 not k because of the hyperthreding. 

A 6700k doesn't have HT? 

[OnionRings]

Just now, Shiv78 said:

Around 10-15%

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6700/3502vs3515

However you could get a i7-7700(K) instead if you update BIOS

 

Although, if you sell your CPU and mobo you could probably add a bit more cash and get a 6/7700K and a Z170 board

 

I thought about it and I ruled it out because then I have no PC while I wait for the parts to ship to the seller, then I also have the risk of being scammed on eBay, unless I sell on amazon but don't you need a business to do that?

 

1 minute ago, Kd4lif3 said:

Idd get the 6700 not k because of the hyperthreding. 

That was the plan.

 

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

A 6700k doesn't have HT? 

It does, but he read my pc specs and sees that I do not have a Z170 board.  No point in getting a 6700k and not overclocking it because I can't.

[CatXice]

1 minute ago, OnionRings said:

-snip-

i edited my post but i will repeat

 

6700k on a z170 mobo vs a 7700 on a h270 mobo whats the price difference as i bet its not a lot if any and the 7700 will be a lil better then the 6700 long term if OC is not your thing 

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, CatXice said:

i edited my post but i will repeat

 

6700k on a z170 mobo vs a 7700 on a h270 mobo whats the price difference as i bet its not a lot if any and the 7700 will be a lil better then the 6700 long term if OC is not your thing 

 

It's not that OC'ing isn't my thing, its that a Z170 board would cost me about another 100$ VS I already own a non-overclockable LGA 1151 board. If I bought a Z170 or Z270 or w/e that's more money out of my pocket I don't really have.

 

On the other hand if I went Ryzen I could afford a new board only because the CPU is cheaper. 1500x is 189 vs 6700 or 6700k or 7700k is 280-350 plus as I said a new motherboard is 100ish.

 

189 + 100 = 300ish with tax = ryzen 5

 

280 = 6700

 

350 + 150 = 500 Z270 with 7700k.

 

See the price difference?

[CatXice]

Just now, OnionRings said:

-snip-

i would stay on yr 6700 non k option as its a solid cpu that will be good enough for years to come and saving money on the 6700 non k buy a better gpu or an ssd or somthin like that

[Kd4lif3]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It won't beat an i7 in games.....

What??? WHY?

Price to performance... it might not be worth the extra for the i7. 

(I couldn't manage to put your second quote here)

A locked i7 will always beat out an unlocked i5 in performance even under extreme conditions. Always go for hyper threading where you can. (I know we aren't disgusting i5s imm just saying for proof of concept)

 

[DocSwag]

17 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Why would you get a K CPU and not overclock it?

Frequency is a lil higher.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Kd4lif3 said:

A locked i7 will always beat out an unlocked i5 in performance even under extreme conditions. Always go for hyper threading where you can. (I know we aren't disgusting i5s imm just saying for proof of concept)

But you didn't explain why hyperthreading is a deal breaker....

[Kd4lif3]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

But you didn't explain why hyperthreading is a deal breaker....

A locked i7 is always the best option because it's hyperthreding will out preform almost anything at that price points and you aren't paying a premium for the k.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Kd4lif3 said:

A locked i7 is always the best option because it's hyperthreding will out preform almost anything at that price points and you aren't paying a premium for the k.

I know, but this is what you said:

23 minutes ago, Kd4lif3 said:

the locked 6700 does have hyperthreding which is a deal breaker in most cases.

Hyperthreading is not a deal breaker (as you have just proven yourself BTW)

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I know, but this is what you said:

Hyperthreading is not a deal breaker (as you have just proved yourself BTW)

 

It's a deal breaker for me, I'll always choose more threads over less.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, OnionRings said:

It's a deal breaker for me, I'll always choose more threads over less.

Why is it a deal breaker? Hyperthreading=more threads.....

[Kd4lif3]