So what's the consensus with Ryzen so far? Are the 1700 and 1700x CPUs just binned 1800x's?

[ABlueQuaker]

Everything I've heard, unless I'm misinformed, is that you can OC a 1700 to 1800x settings and have the same TDP and what not.

 

How true is this?

[Guest Kloaked]

Your title should be reversed. The 1800x seems like they are the binned ones. They're all the same chip I believe, but the 1700x and 1800x come factory overclocked.

 

So yes, you can overclock a 1700 and essentially have an 1800x. If you're lucky, you may even be able to get higher than an 1800x.

[Moress]

Yeah, the 1800x is just guaranteed to reach a higher clock than a 1700 (Not while OCing, but factory clock wise)

[tom_w141]

I don't even think they are binned like that. I just think the 1800Xs are tested at 4GHz and the rest are just 1700 or 1700Xs. I can get 3.7GHz all cores on stock voltage on my 1700. I can easily be stable at 4GHz with my RAM at 2933 and still be under 1.4V (1.45 is the recommended highest you take it). The 1800Xs biggest competitor is not intel it is the 1700 imo. Online I've never seen anyone achieve less than 3.9GHz stable so its a bit baffling paying ~ £160 premium when its 5 minutes work in the bios to replicate.

 

In summary I think with the AM4 platform the motherboard is way more important than the CPU so get yourself a decent mobo and a 1700 should perform well.

 

EDIT: when I say binned like that I mean it doesn't appear that they make sure the 1700s are the ones that can't achieve the higher clocks.

[Cyracus]

Fairly accurate, OCing is a little tricky since ryzen is so new though so some might prefer to spend a bit more and not bother with OCing. Once bios' mature and OCing gets sorted out we might see some difference, but only time will tell there

[ABlueQuaker]

And there's no locked vs. unlocked CPU BS like there is with Intel? I can just stick a Ryzen 1700 into a Crosshair VI Hero and go to town?

 

I've basically got a bunch of spare parts lying around (SLI 970's from an old system and I just upgraded from a 750D Airflow to a 900D and like 10 spare 140mm SP Fans from upgrading to Noctua NF-A14's) and being a PC Enthusiast/Gamer/Streamer/Musician with a Home Studio and a billion plugins, that I might as well do a Ryzen Workstation.

[cj09beira]

12 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I don't even think they are binned like that. I just think the 1800Xs are tested at 4GHz and the rest are just 1700 or 1700Xs. I can get 3.7GHz all cores on stock voltage on my 1700. I can easily be stable at 4GHz with my RAM at 2933 and still be under 1.4V (1.45 is the recommended highest you take it). The 1800Xs biggest competitor is not intel it is the 1700 imo. Online I've never seen anyone achieve less than 3.9GHz stable so its a bit baffling paying ~ £160 premium when its 5 minutes work in the bios to replicate.

 

In summary I think with the AM4 platform the motherboard is way more important than the CPU so get yourself a decent mobo and a 1700 should perform well.

 

EDIT: when I say binned like that I mean it doesn't appear that they make sure the 1700s are the ones that can't achieve the higher clocks.

whats probably happening is that there are so much more 1700s being sold than 1800xs that good silicon is also going to 1700s

[cj09beira]

Just now, ABlueQuaker said:

And there's no locked vs. unlocked CPU BS like there is with Intel? I can just stick a Ryzen 1700 into a Crosshair VI Hero and go to town?

 

I've basically got a bunch of spare parts lying around (SLI 970's from an old system and I just upgraded from a 750D Airflow to a 900D and like 10 spare 140mm SP Fans from upgrading to Noctua NF-A14's) and being a PC Enthusiast/Gamer/Streamer/Musician with a Home Studio and a billion plugins, that I might as well do a Ryzen Workstation.

you are correct 

[ABlueQuaker]

8 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

you are correct 

Sweet. I'll call Noctua and get them to ship me the mounting for the Ryzen socket.

 

EDIT: For my NH-D15 if you were wondering. I'll be coming full circle since my first build used the NH-D15 and now my first Ryzen will be using it (at least until I do a custom loop but that will probably be after I eventually pick myself up a 1080ti to replace the SLI 970s).