my temps seem off

[carlosram36]

im looking to do a x99 build and i'll be using the i7 6800k not sure what cooler to use till i can do the custom loop like i have a i7 7700k with the corsair H100i v2 but runs a bit hot for my liking its clocked at 4.6ghz and pump is on performance and the temp is hovering around 50c on idle.... seems a bit hot  

[RadiatingLight]

what are load temps.

 

also, why an X99 build when Ryzen exists?

[carlosram36]

load temps are hitting 78c and im waiting to see what more bugs are there with ryzen i do plan on building a ryzen but ive always wanted a x99 

[Imakuni]

3 hours ago, carlosram36 said:

load temps are hitting 78c

Depending on the voltage, that's actually a pretty normal temp.

[Cyborgsmith]

4 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

what are load temps.

 

also, why an X99 build when Ryzen exists?

Probably cpu frequency, by the looks of things so far ryzen isn't great for overclocking. 

[DrMikeNZ]

4 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

what are load temps.

 

also, why an X99 build when Ryzen exists?

As long as you can afford it, X99 is a good platform.

I have both an i7 6900K, and a Ryzen 1700. I haven't been able to get a stable OC on the Ryzen yet, and so far Ryzen has been giving unsatisfactory performance for my workload.

 

4 hours ago, carlosram36 said:

i7 7700k with the corsair H100i v2 but runs a bit hot

I have had several faulty Corsair AIO coolers. I have a H110i that temps slowly increased over a few weeks on my 6900K to 105°C. I replaced it with an X62 and temps dropped down to 55-65°C under full load. I need to do some more investigations into why the H110i failed.

I have lost faith in all AIO coolers.

[RadiatingLight]

29 minutes ago, Cyborgsmith said:

Probably cpu frequency, by the looks of things so far ryzen isn't great for overclocking. 

but... the 6800K only boosts to 3.6Ghz...

[Cyborgsmith]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

but... the 6800K only boosts to 3.6Ghz...

With water and a bit of tweaking you can get it past 4.4ghz

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

As long as you can afford it, X99 is a good platform.

I have both an i7 6900K, and a Ryzen 1700. I haven't been able to get a stable OC on the Ryzen yet, and so far Ryzen has been giving unsatisfactory performance for my workload.

Of course a 6900K is better than a 1700. it's literally over 3 times the price.

the 6900K is even better than the 1800X.

 

however, when you consider price, and an option between a 6800K and a 1700X, the 1700X wins hands down with similar IPC, faster clockspeed, and 25% more cores.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Cyborgsmith said:

With water and a bit of tweaking you can get it past 4.4ghz

A Ryzen 7 1700X at stock speeds is just about equal to a 6800K at 4.4 Ghz.

considering Ryzen overclocks just about as well as Stephen hawking can run a marathon, I'd say that they're about equal if you push your 6800K to the max. however, that produces a ton more heat.

 

plus, you aren't thinking about motherboard cost. it's astronomical for X99 boards.

[Cyborgsmith]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

A Ryzen 7 1700X at stock speeds is just about equal to a 6800K at 4.4 Ghz.

considering Ryzen overclocks just about as well as Stephen hawking can run a marathon, I'd say that they're about equal if you push your 6800K to the max. however, that produces a ton more heat.

 

plus, you aren't thinking about motherboard cost. it's astronomical for X99 boards.

Money isnt really an issue if you can afford to buy into the X99 platform. 
 

[DrMikeNZ]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

Of course a 6900K is better than a 1700. it's literally over 3 times the price.

the 6900K is even better than the 1800X.

 

however, when you consider price, and an option between a 6800K and a 1700X, the 1700X wins hands down with similar IPC, faster clockspeed, and 25% more cores.

So far, everything I have run on the 1700 has been erratic, unstable, and slow. Handbrake encodes are taking nearly twice as long.

The 6900K still has good value for some workloads. I can buy 2 Ryzen 1700 systems for the price of a 6900K system. I would draw the same amount of power, and get the same amount of work done in a smaller footprint with the 6900K.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Cyborgsmith said:

Money isnt really an issue if you can afford to buy into the X99 platform. 
 

Which is why I'm saying that you could get a better deal on the X370 platform.

 

It's like buying a Titan XP, and a GTX 1080Ti, and saying that "Money isn't an issue if you can afford to get a halo-tier GPU"

It probably won't crush OP financially if he does decide on X99, considering he was going to go for it anyway, but isn't it always cool get save a hundred dollars or so? (without losing performance.)

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

So far, everything I have run on the 1700 has been erratic, unstable, and slow. Handbrake encodes are taking nearly twice as long.

The 6900K still has good value for some workloads. I can buy 2 Ryzen 1700 systems for the price of a 6900K system. I would draw the same amount of power, and get the same amount of work done in a smaller footprint with the 6900K.

Have you updated the BIOS yet?

2nd and 3rd revision BIOSes should be much better.

 

anyway, you could buy 2 1800X systems for the price of a 6900K, in which case you would draw slightly more power, but get much more work done.

[DrMikeNZ]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

Have you updated the BIOS yet?

2nd and 3rd revision BIOSes should be much better.

 

anyway, you could buy 2 1800X systems for the price of a 6900K, in which case you would draw slightly more power, but get much more work done.

Currently running F4. The next bios is still in beta, and pretty much just enables a 12 month Xsplit licence that I don't need.

I was exaggerating on being able to buy 2 1700 systems. I would be able to buy 1.83 1700 systems (only 1.50 1800X systems) for the price of a 6900K system.

[RadiatingLight]

8 hours ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Currently running F4. The next bios is still in beta, and pretty much just enables a 12 month Xsplit licence that I don't need.

I was exaggerating on being able to buy 2 1700 systems. I would be able to buy 1.83 1700 systems (only 1.50 1800X systems) for the price of a 6900K system.

The price of a 6900K + The cheapest X99 motherboard on PCpartpicker is $1179 (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WgyYcc)

The price of an 1800X + The cheapest AM4 motherboard on PCpartpicker is $578 (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vgYxNN)

 

so, i can absolutely buy two ryzen 1800X systems for the price of one 6900K system.

 

[carlosram36]

the amount of ryzen love hate here is great but as far as my temp i figured it was my voltage settings were really off i set the clock back to default and was still getting the same temps at 4.2 and vcore was at 1.36v and i did some playing around and got it stable at .800v at 4.2 and brought down my idle temp to 27c and max temp under load 66c using prime95 i can live with that this is just my gaming rig with 2 1070 ftw but i do want to do a x99 money isnt a problem its weather im gonna go with a 6800k or a 6900k with 2 1080 ti just not sure and it'll take time bc i do plan on doing the open loop with waterblocking the ti's but i did some digging with the voltage issue i was having and it seems to be common with z270 boards that the voltage is a little funky 

[DrMikeNZ]

3 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

The price of a 6900K + The cheapest X99 motherboard on PCpartpicker is $1179 (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WgyYcc)

The price of an 1800X + The cheapest AM4 motherboard on PCpartpicker is $578 (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vgYxNN)

 

so, i can absolutely buy two ryzen 1800X systems for the price of one 6900K system.

 

Neither of those motherboards have the features I require. When you build 2 systems you need 2x Case + power supply + OS license + SSD + (GPU unlesss you run headless) + cooler (unless using stock for 1700 etc which pushes up the price of 2 systems a lot.

 

3 hours ago, carlosram36 said:

the amount of ryzen love hate here is great

Sorry, it is rather off topic. I do not hate Ryzen, it is a very good value processor, and I do not regret buying it. Although for some workloads x99 can still be a very good choice.

 

3 hours ago, carlosram36 said:

x99 money isnt a problem its weather im gonna go with a 6800k or a 6900k with 2 1080 ti

I chose the 6900K for my system because I run a lot of massively multithreaded applications and get a huge benefit from the extra cores. When spending $9000 NZD all up on the system (including monitors etc), the price difference between the 6800K and 6900K became negligible. Even the 6950X almost made sense (although I would have gone dual socket Xeon instead). If it is just gaming, probably the 6800K or hold off until the X299 platform is released.

 

3 hours ago, carlosram36 said:

i set the clock back to default and was still getting the same temps at 4.2 and vcore was at 1.36v and i did some playing around and got it stable at .800v at 4.2 and brought down my idle temp to 27c and max temp under load 66c using prime95 i can live with that ...

i did some digging with the voltage issue i was having and it seems to be common with z270 boards that the voltage is a little funky

I don't have much experience with z270 boards. Although in practice overclocks often do not give good returns.

Running at the lower clock speed you will likely have a negligible performance difference, seeing the lower number may have a placebo effect.

[carlosram36]

im waiting to see on what the x299 offers if there are really any added benefits i know the x99 platfrom will go down in price atleast mobo wise make it easier to make a pick

 

but as far as my i7 . 7700k  the msi sli plus board has been really buggy

giving me issues like screen glitching when sli is on and when i pull one card out but im not sure whats going on tbh so im just running one card still happens every now and then but not as offten