Kaby Lake or wait for Coffee lake?

[Tellos]

Ok So I am eventually upgrading from my ivy Bridge i5 3350P which has served me well but it is old. But it will likely be a little while longer by then kaby lake will be aobut and possibly not far off from then coffee lake. I am wondering if I wish to get the most out of the performance boost should i wait and go with Coffee lake? I do games raging from strategy to FPS to any number of things and I'd like to get back into streaming for my friends some too Xsplit is choppy on my current I5 with a nasty delay. So thought of maybe going I7.

[Damascus]

8 minutes ago, Tellos said:

Ok So I am eventually upgrading from my ivy Bridge i5 3350P which has served me well but it is old. But it will likely be a little while longer by then kaby lake will be aobut and possibly not far off from then coffee lake. I am wondering if I wish to get the most out of the performance boost should i wait and go with Coffee lake? I do games raging from strategy to FPS to any number of things and I'd like to get back into streaming for my friends some too Xsplit is choppy on my current I5 with a nasty delay. So thought of maybe going I7.

Have you considered a temporary upgrade to a same socket i7?  It shouldn't cost much second hand and may boost performance, especially in streaming

[Inrix]

10 minutes ago, Tellos said:

Ok So I am eventually upgrading from my ivy Bridge i5 3350P which has served me well but it is old. But it will likely be a little while longer by then kaby lake will be aobut and possibly not far off from then coffee lake. I am wondering if I wish to get the most out of the performance boost should i wait and go with Coffee lake? I do games raging from strategy to FPS to any number of things and I'd like to get back into streaming for my friends some too Xsplit is choppy on my current I5 with a nasty delay. So thought of maybe going I7.

Its the same as always, if you wait then there will allways be something better. Though in this case with what AMD has just done to the cpu market, it could be worth it... But there probably wont be another CPU from intel for a while even with what AMD has done.... So really it depends on if your willing to wait a possible long time for what might be a small upgrade or just get something that works great now. I decided to forgo waiting the extra two months for kaby lake and get a 6700k and Im not really dissapointed since the performance increase was shit all. However I am dissapointed since intel pulled the shitty 4k DRM thing with the new chips, that being said I can always just put my current 6700k in a new server and get a 7700k down the line...

 

 

So just ask yourself if you think the wait would be worth it, but understand that there will always be something shiny and new down the line and the performance increase from the previous generation may not be all that good.

[Princess Luna]

Maybe not coffee lake but the i7 7740k is coming this year that might be worth giving a look, a polished 7700k which is a polished 6700k... the 8700k will be a polished 7740k and so on until Intel manage to go 10nm.

[Tellos]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Have you considered a temporary upgrade to a same socket i7?  It shouldn't cost much second hand and may boost performance, especially in streaming

Trouble is everyone wants 600 bucks for them. For that I can buy a new i5 and motherboard.

 

2 minutes ago, Inrix said:

Its the same as always, if you wait then there will allways be something better. Though in this case with what AMD has just done to the cpu market, it could be worth it... But there probably wont be another CPU from intel for a while even with what AMD has done.... So really it depends on if your willing to wait a possible long time for what might be a small upgrade or just get something that works great now. I decided to forgo waiting the extra two months for kaby lake and get a 6700k and Im not really dissapointed since the performance increase was shit all. However I am dissapointed since intel pulled the shitty 4k DRM thing with the new chips, that being said I can always just put my current 6700k in a new server and get a 7700k down the line...

 

 

So just ask yourself if you think the wait would be worth it, but understand that there will always be something new a shiny and the performance increase from the previous generation may not be all that good.

On waiting it's a set time frame range not jsut wait forever. But it'd be for late this year or early next year. So At latest talking April 2018. I won't obther waiting on cannon lake likely as that is gonna be hellish.

 

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Maybe not coffee lake but the i7 7740k is coming this year that might be worth giving a look, a polished 7700k which is a polished 6700k... the 8700k will be a polished 7740k and so on until Intel manage to go 10nm.

As stated above this all kinda is in the likelihood of late nov at earliest up to next year. I'll be saving up cash for what I want.

[sicily428]

what's socket for coffee lake? lga1151?

[Tellos]

Same as kaby lake.

[sicily428]

22 hours ago, Tellos said:

Same as kaby lake.

this is good!

[Tellos]

@sicily428  Thats to best of my knowledge so unless it changes for some reason.

[RevoltTrain]

I say go Kaby Lake

[M.A.P]

6 hours ago, Tellos said:

@sicily428  Thats to best of my knowledge so unless it changes for some reason.

Coffee Lake is 14nm and is LGA1151 socket , it is confirmed Canon Lake is 10nm and may or may not be LGA1151 but Coffee Lake is confirmed.

[Tellos]

@RevoltTrain But Confirmed to come out later this year when my plans for new PC come up. Why woudl I still go kaby lake. Also rumor is it'll have a 6 Core CPU.

[sicily428]

13 hours ago, M.A.P said:

Coffee Lake is 14nm and is LGA1151 socket , it is confirmed Canon Lake is 10nm and may or may not be LGA1151 but Coffee Lake is confirmed.

Thanks!

so i could upgrade cpu in my desktop pc

[M.A.P]

4 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

Thanks!

so i could upgrade cpu in my desktop pc

Theoretically yes. I think Motherboard manufacturers will release BIOS updates for existing LGA 1151 boards to support Coffee Lake as every time when Intel released new gen cpus with same socket as previous ones existing motherboards got BIOS updates to support new gen cpus and newly released motherboards support both new and previous gen cpus for ex:

Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge LGA 1155, Haswell and Broadwell LGA 1150. Keep in mind that only overclockable motherboards have high chance of getting update to support new gen cpu and other chipset have less chance. This didn't happen in LGA 1155 but in LGA 1150 all Z series motherboards got BIOS update to support new gen whereas not all other chipset boards got the update to support Broadwell.

[sicily428]

8 minutes ago, M.A.P said:

Theoretically yes. I think Motherboard manufacturers will release BIOS updates for existing LGA 1151 boards to support Coffee Lake as every time when Intel released new gen cpus with same socket as previous ones existing motherboards got BIOS updates to support new gen cpus and newly released motherboards support both new and previous gen cpus for ex:

Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge LGA 1155, Haswell and Broadwell LGA 1150. Keep in mind that only overclockable motherboards have high chance of getting update to support new gen cpu and other chipset have less chance. This didn't happen in LGA 1155 but in LGA 1150 all Z series motherboards got BIOS update to support new gen whereas not all other chipset boards got the update to support Broadwell.

I would like a laptop eurocom tornado f5 with a cpu intel i7-7700. Do you think that an i7-8700 could be also compatible in that? Do you know what is tdp of coffeelake?

[M.A.P]

8 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

I would like a laptop eurocom tornado f5 with a cpu intel i7-7700. Do you think that an i7-8700 could be also compatible in that? Do you know what is tdp of coffeelake?

laptop manufacturers will not provide BIOS updates for support of new gen cpus only desktop motherboard manufacturers do.

[sicily428]

3 minutes ago, M.A.P said:

laptop manufacturers will not provide BIOS updates for support of new gen cpus only desktop motherboard manufacturers do.

For tornado f5 you can choice skylake or also kabylake

[M.A.P]

4 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

For tornado f5 you can choice skylake or also kabylake

If that manufacturer uploads BIOS updates online then you may have a chance but not sure so it might be a risk.

[sicily428]

5 minutes ago, M.A.P said:

If that manufacturer uploads BIOS updates online then you may have a chance but not sure so it might be a risk.

Thanks for your time! This topic is very helpful for me

[M.A.P]

2 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

Thanks for your time! This topic is very helpful for me

Your welcome.

 

[Tellos]

Well more it sounds like I was right to await coffee lake.  it'll be the latest and likely give me the best performance.

[sazrocks]

If streaming I would definitely consider ryzen.

[Tellos]

@sazrocks any streaming is nothing super serious just historically I:ve had lag of like 10 or so seconds on it via xsplit and for faster games choppier performance. Figure some of it is my net [due to location I am typically averaging 10 to 12mbps cause not directly next to the router my roommates are. They get 150 to 200] So I defiantly will be looking at options to ensure I can stream while playing.

[kartik dhy]

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hey guys this is kartik 

i have a problem today after a month of researching about cpu s i got my final decision of i5 7500 with 16 gb dominater and a gt 730 gddr5 (i had one in my pentium rig)i am getting it(i5 6500 + gigabyte ga-b250m-d3h+16 gb corsair dominater ) or 30000 inr(462.463 usd$) and while making the final choice and some comparing it with rysen(

rysen sometimes won but i am not a amd guy) so i saw a vidio of jaytwocent and heard about the cofeelake so my needs and a rig for programming and rendering and little gaming that wont be a trash in atleast 5 years so should i wait for cofeelake (rates of kabylake and it aswell raise due to GST in india)so what do u guys say????

all answers appretiated

[He_162]

If you are doing anything OTHER than just playing games, I suggest you get Ryzen.

A. It's upgrade-able in the future to "Zen 2" and "Zen 3" so if you need H.265 encoding in the future, you'll get it around the same time as Coffee Lake's release, and Ryzen chips can easily be sold now, I'm sure you can sell it later.
B. It's got the cores to allow massive amounts of multi-tasking, just get the R5 1600, and overclock it to 3.8ghz on the stock cooler, and you now have a i7-5820k in terms of performance.
C. Ryzen performs admirably in games, and better than the i7-7700k if you are streaming them at the same time, for the most part.
D. Ryzen is cheaper than an i7, and it will cost you 400$ or less to do the upgrade if you don't have DDR4 just sitting around