Powerline adaptor

[speckledseaman]

Hey everyone, just wondering if a power line adapter would work in this scenario. 

I have a detached shed/office where the mains from the street come to the main switchboard.  I want to get networking from the office to the house.  The house is feed from the main switch board on thr shed by submains to a subboard.

 

So my question is will s powerline adaptor work from powrr cct on shed through multiple circuit breakers and yo a point in the house? 

 

Overall distance would be approx 50m.

 

Thanks for any help. 

[Bananasplit_00]

i would get a powerfull wifi single direction solution instead, im not sure how good and if at all powerline adapters would work here

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

As far as I know, no.

[speckledseaman]

3 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

i would get a powerfull wifi single direction solution instead, im not sure how good and if at all powerline adapters would work here

I am not sure what they are or how they work what should i look to see how to use and set up?

[Bananasplit_00]

3 minutes ago, speckledseaman said:

I am not sure what they are or how they work what should i look to see how to use and set up?

while i dont know of any specific products looking around for "directional wifi antena" or something like that should give you something like what you would want here, all the gear iv helped set up and seen working has been high end enterprise gear but i know there are affordable solutions for situations like this too

 

[VVoltor]

Powerline probably won't work.

You could get a cat6 ethernet cable, or some kind of long range wifi solution. Wired is probably cheaper, faster and more stable.

[bgibbz]

18 minutes ago, speckledseaman said:

I am not sure what they are or how they work what should i look to see how to use and set up?

I would get a outdoor rated cat6 cable and run it underground, that would be the most effective sollution. 

 

 

[speckledseaman]

Ok thanks everyone ill look into some directional wifi antennas and get cat 6 accross and figure out what ill do.

 

Thanks again for help.

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, speckledseaman said:

Hey everyone, just wondering if a power line adapter would work in this scenario. 

I have a detached shed/office where the mains from the street come to the main switchboard.  I want to get networking from the office to the house.  The house is feed from the main switch board on thr shed by submains to a subboard.

 

So my question is will s powerline adaptor work from powrr cct on shed through multiple circuit breakers and yo a point in the house? 

 

Overall distance would be approx 50m.

 

Thanks for any help. 

So let me try to break this down.

 

The mains from the street feed into the main switch board, which is located in the Office/Shed. This then feeds a submain to your house.

 

Generally speaking, Powerline Ethernet CAN cross circuits, but it CANNOT cross transformers. A transformer will scramble the signal and make it unreadable on the other side (Main reason why your neighbour can't piggyback your signal).

 

So, is there a transformer between the main switchboard and the lines heading to the house? If not, it might work. If so, you're out of luck.

 

There generally is a performance drop when jumping circuits, but the drop will vary, and there's no way to tell ahead of time what the drop will be. It could be small (5%) and totally unnoticeable. It could be large (50%) and make it unusable.

 

A more robust option would be running Ethernet directly:

1. Digging a trench between the buildings (doesn't need to be deep - say 1 foot is probably fine)

2. Installing conduit that runs out of one building, down along the wall into the trench, then underground through the trench to the other building, back up the wall, and back inside - 1" conduit is probably fine. This would allow 2-3 cables to be run, at minimum. Use bigger conduit for larger expansion room.

3. Fishing a Cat 5e or higher (Cat 6, Cat 6a) OUTDOOR RATED Ethernet Cable through the trench - making sure to also run some string/twine along the conduit too, so you have something to pull additional cables with if the need arises.

 

And you're done. Obviously this is labour intensive, and potentially expensive, depending on what equipment you have on hand. Conduit is pretty damn cheap, so it wouldn't cost you very much to get 50m worth from a hardware store. But you may need a digging permit depending on local laws. And the type of ground you have in the yard could be problematic. A good shovel would normally do the trick, but actual digging machinery could be necessary. 50m of Cat 5e or Cat 6 will not cost very much.

 

You could opt to run the conduit above ground, but this makes the conduit and the cable inside it more vulnerable to the elements, as well as outside factors like machinery, lawn mower, animals, etc. You could also opt to string the cable through the air, but directly exposing the cable isn't recommended, since it's too easy for something to break the cable (Eg: A falling branch).

 

Alternatively, you could use point-to-point directional WIFI, or simply a high powered Wireless AP.

 

I would look at burying Ethernet, or using Powerline Ethernet (Depending on the question about a transformer) over a Wireless based solution first.

[speckledseaman]

2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

So let me try to break this down.

 

The mains from the street feed into the main switch board, which is located in the Office/Shed. This then feeds a submain to your house.

 

Generally speaking, Powerline Ethernet CAN cross circuits, but it CANNOT cross transformers. A transformer will scramble the signal and make it unreadable on the other side (Main reason why your neighbour can't piggyback your signal).

 

So, is there a transformer between the main switchboard and the lines heading to the house? If not, it might work. If so, you're out of luck.

 

There generally is a performance drop when jumping circuits, but the drop will vary, and there's no way to tell ahead of time what the drop will be. It could be small (5%) and totally unnoticeable. It could be large (50%) and make it unusable.

 

A more robust option would be running Ethernet directly:

1. Digging a trench between the buildings (doesn't need to be deep - say 1 foot is probably fine)

2. Installing conduit that runs out of one building, down along the wall into the trench, then underground through the trench to the other building, back up the wall, and back inside - 1" conduit is probably fine. This would allow 2-3 cables to be run, at minimum. Use bigger conduit for larger expansion room.

3. Fishing a Cat 5e or higher (Cat 6, Cat 6a) OUTDOOR RATED Ethernet Cable through the trench - making sure to also run some string/twine along the conduit too, so you have something to pull additional cables with if the need arises.

 

And you're done. Obviously this is labour intensive, and potentially expensive, depending on what equipment you have on hand. Conduit is pretty damn cheap, so it wouldn't cost you very much to get 50m worth from a hardware store. But you may need a digging permit depending on local laws. And the type of ground you have in the yard could be problematic. A good shovel would normally do the trick, but actual digging machinery could be necessary. 50m of Cat 5e or Cat 6 will not cost very much.

 

You could opt to run the conduit above ground, but this makes the conduit and the cable inside it more vulnerable to the elements, as well as outside factors like machinery, lawn mower, animals, etc. You could also opt to string the cable through the air, but directly exposing the cable isn't recommended, since it's too easy for something to break the cable (Eg: A falling branch).

 

Alternatively, you could use point-to-point directional WIFI, or simply a high powered Wireless AP.

 

I would look at burying Ethernet, or using Powerline Ethernet (Depending on the question about a transformer) over a Wireless based solution first.

There is no transformer but would be going through 4 circuit breakers. I think ill just go with getting a cat 6e accross.