1 Computer or 2?

[Skybird77]

Hello, Everyone looking to build a new PC or possibly 2. now let me just get to the meat and potatoes of what i have now and what i was think of doing and at the end I'll put my reasoning and thoughts of why and what im over all looking for. now with out further a due and with out further gilding the Lilly here we go.

 

Budget & Location:

Preferred Budget: $2000 USD

Max Budget (Before Wife kills me): $3000 USD

Location: Wrightwood, Ca

 

Aim:

High end Gaming

3d work (3d max, Maya, blender, unity, cry Eng)

digital art work (Photoshop, illustrator)

 

Monitors:

2 I-inc iH-252HPB 27" Class Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 15000:1 Dynamic, 800:1 Native, 2ms, 16:9

 

 

Peripherals:

Mouse and keyboard needed

Wireless head sets

Video cam (video chat)

2  27" Widescreen monitors (updated)

water cooling system

 

Current PC(s):

(have two)

Asus M3A78-EM AMD 780G Socket AM2+

Ultra LSP750 750-Watt Power Supply

(2) WD Caviar 500GB Serial ATA HD 7200/8MB/SATA-3G

(6GB) Corsair Dominator PC8500 RAM, DDR2, 1066MHz, Dual Channel

Thermaltake ATX Mid Tower Case

AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor 2.30 GHz

Msi Radeon R9 270x Graphics card

Windows 7

 

Why I'm upgrading and Questions:

Now for the long and short of it all. My Wife and I are looking to upgrade our 8 year old computer (super happy its work for so long). we are starting to see that we just cant keep up with all the new games and art programs out in today's market and seeing how we are looking to work more at home now that we are moving from our happy cool mountains 1-2 hours away from everything to an island where getting to an office where the work pc is provided its time to get something for home. now mind you i have a one year old who is like a bug to light & and a well a baby to just about anything, i'm looking to build a custom desk with water cooling for hopefully it to be quiet and lights that i can turn off when I here the little button masher coming. am I apposed to just getting cases no but since I'm moving i have the options to build so why the hell not. now im also a heavy gamer after all i make 3d content for game when i can find/sell work (Currently Zip-line supervisor) my wife is a full time more that already dose digital work from home when the boy is asleep. and constantly complains that her computer is having difficulty running just photo shop any more so before i ramble to much as i tend to do. my big questions are.

Do I build computers for gaming?

Do I build computers for digital work?

can i build 2 computers 1 for work and 1 for gaming and still have two people use them at the same time as seen in Linus tech tips video 2 Gamers, 1 CPU? (if this is even possible for a Digital work computer to do)

What the heck do i put in to the build to get what I'm hoping for out of it? (motherboard, CPU, ram, etc)

Side notes

I like AMD over Intel but have only built gaming rigs with AMD and have only bought best buy complete PC with Intel for work and have never been happy with them but I'm sure building one would be better but just felt i should stat the facts. although I'm willing to tread new waters if it will give me better performance for work computers.

my build skill level i would say I'm between beginner and intermediate so lets just call it informed

 

I hope that what i'm asking is clear. Any feed back or questions are welcome and hope to get help on this before we move so that i cant get everything ordered before we move in May since getting mail on the island is a pain sometimes more hazardous to shipped items then normal delivery.

 

 

[The Sloth]

2 computers, wait for ryzen benchmarks. 

[Skybird77]

Is there even a motherboard that can run Ryzen yet i dont recall seeing a Amd 4 socket?

[manikyath]

4 minutes ago, Skybird77 said:

Is there even a motherboard that can run Ryzen yet i dont recall seeing a Amd 4 socket?

they'll launch along with the chips themselves.

 

i mean, there's little purpoe in having one on the market without the other, right?

[grimreeper132]

56 minutes ago, Skybird77 said:

Is there even a motherboard that can run Ryzen yet i dont recall seeing a Amd 4 socket?

they launch next week, on the 2nd I believe

[Skybird77]

32 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Maybe an 1800X build with VM so each of yous get 8 threads.

Wife can reuse a 270X and you get something better for games.

 

This way you will only need one mobo, PSU, cooler, and everything sits in your desk.

Install oodles of RAM and storage. You will probably have enough to really splurge on the new card and displays.

With just 1 PC its more power and space efficient. Route out the wife's setup to her room and she enjoys the space savings and absolute silence.

hello, Huilun02

thanks for the feed back. im not sure i understand what you mean in you post if you would be willing to clarify a bit more for me. my apologies im not as savy with all the new tech lingo as i would like. and below is what i believe what you are telling me and please feel free to correct me as need.

 

Make a ryzen build reusing current graphics and max the ram out. to have multi user at the same time making it so i only need to buy one motherboard cooler and im not sure what VM and PSU stands for but i think its virtual memory and power and not a clue on what you mean by routing out my wife's set up to her room? now that im typing this out i sound like a noob but oh well i rather ask and learn the sit in ignorance anyway any more light on your post is extremely appreciated

 

thanks,

Skybird 

[Skybird77]

2 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

they launch next week, on the 2nd I believe

Hey, grimreeper132

 

good to know thanks i was worried it would be after i moved to the island

 

thanks,

Skybird

[grimreeper132]

47 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Maybe an 1800X build with VM so each of yous get 8 threads.

Wife can reuse a 270X and you get something better for games.

 

This way you will only need one mobo, PSU, cooler, and everything sits in your desk.

Install oodles of RAM and storage. You will probably have enough to really splurge on the new card and displays.

With just 1 PC its more power and space efficient. Route out the wife's setup to her room and she enjoys the space savings and absolute silence.

although yea VMing is a possibility but setting the VM up will be a massive pain in the arse so I suggest not in this case as he can probably get two computers which are both capable of what he wants them to be capable of and also a bit more, the CAD PC will just be a gaming but will need a few more cores

[grimreeper132]

3 minutes ago, Skybird77 said:

hello, Huilun02

thanks for the feed back. im not sure i understand what you mean in you post if you would be willing to clarify a bit more for me. my apologies im not as savy with all the new tech lingo as i would like. and below is what i believe what you are telling me and please feel free to correct me as need.

 

Make a ryzen build reusing current graphics and max the ram out. to have multi user at the same time making it so i only need to buy one motherboard cooler and im not sure what VM and PSU stands for but i think its virtual memory and power and not a clue on what you mean by routing out my wife's set up to her room? now that im typing this out i sound like a noob but oh well i rather ask and learn the sit in ignorance anyway any more light on your post is extremely appreciated

 

thanks,

Skybird 

VM - Virtual Machines (massive pains in the arses don't do it, it's a trap)

PSU - power supply unit

rooting out the set up -  putting it in another room and running long cables to the other room to run peripherals off(I believe that is what they are saying)

 

[Skybird77]

Thanks for clearing that up. have you dealt with VM? what makes it such a pain

[grimreeper132]

19 minutes ago, Skybird77 said:

Thanks for clearing that up. have you dealt with VM? what makes it such a pain

I haven't dealt with them, but splitting resources up and many other reasons makes them a pain and if your newer to the scene there's no point even trying as it will cause to many issues which wouldn't be there normally.

[Skybird77]

What would be a good Mobo if I got the new ryzen?

[brob]

13 hours ago, Skybird77 said:

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Monitors:

2 I-inc iH-252HPB 25" Class Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 15000:1 Dynamic, 800:1 Native, 2ms, 16:9

Don't intend to add more monitors

 

Peripherals:

Mouse and keyboard needed

Wireless head sets

Video cam (video chat)

4  27" Widescreen monitors

water cooling system

...

 

 

 

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[Skybird77]

Ahhh I see how that would be confusing I will delete that part as well as I ment that after buying new monitor I did not intend to buy any more then a max of four new monitors thanks for pointing it out 

[Skybird77]

Dose anyone know a good place to find what it takes to run a VM and the process to set one up I'd like to look in to it a bit more 

[Skybird77]

Also would it be better to make 2 gaming pc. And just do like I have been and do my work on current game rig just looking to improve my gaming/work experience. IV been reading as much as I can about VM's and so far I'm just getting a lot of people say don't do it, it's a pain and so on. Now I'm not sure if all these people are talking from experience or just theory. Anyway what do you guys think just build two PC's for gaming with a crap load of RAM and hope for the best on the work side of things. And what is the major difference between a gaming PC vs a work PC is it just ram or CPU exe...

 

As always thank for the help so far and thanks for any and more feed back

[brob]

2 hours ago, Skybird77 said:

Also would it be better to make 2 gaming pc. And just do like I have been and do my work on current game rig just looking to improve my gaming/work experience. IV been reading as much as I can about VM's and so far I'm just getting a lot of people say don't do it, it's a pain and so on. Now I'm not sure if all these people are talking from experience or just theory. Anyway what do you guys think just build two PC's for gaming with a crap load of RAM and hope for the best on the work side of things. And what is the major difference between a gaming PC vs a work PC is it just ram or CPU exe...

 

As always thank for the help so far and thanks for any and more feed back

VM are great for developers and those that wish to isolate particular apps. They also work well in business environments for remote users. Gaming vm require dedicated gpu and that adds a level of complexity to the environment.

 

One major disadvantage of using VM to run two virtual gaming systems is that when the hardware goes down, both systems are out of commission. With separate boxes, if one goes down the other should still be available.

 

I would suggest two similarly configured systems. 

[Skybird77]

 

 

whats your thoughts on this test build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDjjsJ

 

although im still thinking about not using the ryzen till its better tested

 

[wzaza]

For a look at what am4 motherboards will be available at launch have a look at this: https://www.pccasegear.com/category/138_1874/motherboards/amd-socket-am4 

and as for what one to buy:

 

[brob]

16 hours ago, Skybird77 said:

 

 

whats your thoughts on this test build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDjjsJ

 

although im still thinking about not using the ryzen till its better tested

 

Until we have decent, objective benchmarks there is little that can be said about the Ryzen platform. It may be a good choice, but if IPC is lower than Broadwell, then Broadwell-E might well be a better choice. 

 

Waiting as long as you can before committing is a good idea.

[Skybird77]

7 hours ago, brob said:

Until we have decent, objective benchmarks there is little that can be said about the Ryzen platform. It may be a good choice, but if IPC is lower than Broadwell, then Broadwell-E might well be a better choice. 

 

Waiting as long as you can before committing is a good idea.

I completely agree, and taking that im mind im thinking that it might be best to go with something like the amd 9590 oct core since i dont see my self needing ryzen power at least not with the amount i would be using it for at the current time. and going with two computers of identical build form reading a far bit of info on VM and other ways of doing what i want i think with the amount of time i feel i will have for setting up everything along with knowledge/patience for a prolonged head ache of software issues below is another pc parts picker list of what id was thinking and im sure i will be changing thing here and there untill it becomes time to buy and on this list i dont plan to use the motherboard on the list its just a place hold for the general price and not all the components will be bought all at once its just so i can get a feel for what it might cost for a max spec build for this list and the mobo im looking at is a MSI 970 gaming mobo and for the graphic card im looking at the GTX 1070 (watercooled) model. tell me what you guys think or recommend for other possible parts or any know problems with the parts i chose on this list

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hG3br7

 

And as always thanks for the feedback

skybird