Networking without telephone line

[limegorilla]

I need help!!! i've been living in a residential complex for a while and i have no telephone line. the on-site wireless is good, around 100 MBPS. however, that is at reception... I get around 0.0 to 5.  I do have a telephone line in my room but i'm not sure if that is connected up to the main server. despite my protests, management haven't allowed me to run a Ethernet cable from reception to home, or install AP around my house. there are AP's around me but they serve around thirty people, and there's only five of them (there Ubiquiti Nanosation 5) There is a "wireless broadband" solution, here's there website ( http://www.internetlanzarote.com/ ) but i don't want to pay 120+ euros and get a slower speed. Other wireless solutions are either slow(er) or too expensive.

Sorry, know this is very long, thanks in advance!

Liam

[SCHISCHKA]

Sabotage a forced upgrade. I wonder why they don't run Ethernet it would be easier. How are you suppose to live there and work from home

[limegorilla]

12 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

Sabotage a forced upgrade. I wonder why they don't run Ethernet it would be easier. How are you suppose to live there and work from home

Forgive me, i'm 15, but a forced upgrade? could you elaborate please?

thanks,

the ever dimwitted- liam

 

 

[SCHISCHKA]

50 minutes ago, liamdoyle27 said:

Forgive me, i'm 15, but a forced upgrade? could you elaborate please?

thanks,

the ever dimwitted- liam

 

 

I can't do that it would be criminal to encourage vandalism

[limegorilla]

4 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

I can't do that it would be criminal to encourage vandalism

Thanks anyway

[brwainer]

The telephone jack in your room, if it is active, would be connected to the local telephone company, and you would call them to set up service. You can ask them if they offer DSL service.

 

Note: this is assuming that the residential complex hasn't set up a hotel-like phone system, in which case you wouldn't be able to get DSL. But this is unlikely. What is more likely is that noone maintains and supports that telephone line anymore.

[dalekphalm]

7 hours ago, liamdoyle27 said:

I need help!!! i've been living in a residential complex for a while and i have no telephone line. the on-site wireless is good, around 100 MBPS. however, that is at reception... I get around 0.0 to 5.  I do have a telephone line in my room but i'm not sure if that is connected up to the main server. despite my protests, management haven't allowed me to run a Ethernet cable from reception to home, or install AP around my house. there are AP's around me but they serve around thirty people, and there's only five of them (there Ubiquiti Nanosation 5) There is a "wireless broadband" solution, here's there website ( http://www.internetlanzarote.com/ ) but i don't want to pay 120+ euros and get a slower speed. Other wireless solutions are either slow(er) or too expensive.

Sorry, know this is very long, thanks in advance!

Liam

You can get internet through various connection types.

 

Does your house have Coaxial Cable TV (Either currently hooked up, or as an option)? If so, you may be able to get DOCSIS Cable Internet. Or as @brwainer said, you can potentially get DSL over the telephone wire.

 

You should call the local phone company, and the local cable company (or visit their websites) and see what they can offer at your address. Furthermore, check any third party ISP's that operate in your city.

 

One potential problem is if your building complex has signed some sort of ISP exclusive agreement that forbids any other ISP's from installing services in your complex.

[limegorilla]

3 hours ago, brwainer said:

The telephone jack in your room, if it is active, would be connected to the local telephone company, and you would call them to set up service. You can ask them if they offer DSL service.

 

Note: this is assuming that the residential complex hasn't set up a hotel-like phone system, in which case you wouldn't be able to get DSL. But this is unlikely. What is more likely is that noone maintains and supports that telephone line anymore.

Annoyingly they do - hotel-like calling. WHY? 

[dalekphalm]

2 minutes ago, liamdoyle27 said:

Annoyingly they do - hotel-like calling. WHY? 

Well that rules out using DSL. DOCSIS Cable Internet could still be an option. Try calling your cable provider (Or whatever cable provider services your city) and see what they say.

[limegorilla]

9 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

You can get internet through various connection types.

 

Does your house have Coaxial Cable TV (Either currently hooked up, or as an option)? If so, you may be able to get DOCSIS Cable Internet. Or as @brwainer said, you can potentially get DSL over the telephone wire.

 

You should call the local phone company, and the local cable company (or visit their websites) and see what they can offer at your address. Furthermore, check any third party ISP's that operate in your city.

 

One potential problem is if your building complex has signed some sort of ISP exclusive agreement that forbids any other ISP's from installing services in your complex.

I would assume that they have signed an agreement. One aspect i have failed to mention(and i probably should have) is that the network is one of those that uses a hotel-esque wireless login system ( through i use a router to get round the one device per code crap ) Our TV is through... guess who!?! The damn management. yay

 

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, liamdoyle27 said:

I would assume that they have signed an agreement. One aspect i have failed to mention(and i probably should have) is that the network is one of those that uses a hotel-esque wireless login system ( through i use a router to get round the one device per code crap ) Our TV is through... guess who!?! The damn management. yay

 

Yep so there's nothing you can do.

 

I assume there's some sort of home owners association or condo corporation running the complex - perhaps try and get your parents to get a vote for increased Internet speeds during the next meeting.

 

Are you renting or do you own the house?

[limegorilla]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

Yep so there's nothing you can do.

 

I assume there's some sort of home owners association or condo corporation running the complex - perhaps try and get your parents to get a vote for increased Internet speeds during the next meeting.

 

Are you renting or do you own the house?

Own the house. The managment is prettey crappy in most senses. Ill try- thanks anyways!

[dalekphalm]

2 minutes ago, liamdoyle27 said:

Own the house. The managment is prettey crappy in most senses. Ill try- thanks anyways!

If you own, then your parents should get a "vote" in major decisions. Try and talk to your neighbours and see who else has complaints with the WIFI performance. Try and get as many as you can on board with a "proposed solution" (Eg: More AP's, or direct wired ethernet, etc). Then have someone propose the solution to the management group, and have everyone you can back them up.

[limegorilla]

On 2/16/2017 at 7:19 PM, dalekphalm said:

If you own, then your parents should get a "vote" in major decisions. Try and talk to your neighbours and see who else has complaints with the WIFI performance. Try and get as many as you can on board with a "proposed solution" (Eg: More AP's, or direct wired ethernet, etc). Then have someone propose the solution to the management group, and have everyone you can back them up.

Would an idea be: having a wired connection from the main server to my apartment? Or a wireless solution ("ie. AP @ reception and a AP @ my apartment?")

Edited February 17, 2017 by liamdoyle27

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, liamdoyle27 said:

Would an idea be: having a wired connection from the main server to my apartment? Or a wireless solution ("ie. AP @ reception and a AP @ my apartment?")

Either - depends on how much money the corporation is willing to spend on it.

 

Wiring Ethernet directly would be better - because then any tenant can choose to install their own AP, or the management group can choose to install an AP at a later date.

 

But wiring Ethernet is expensive. You've got to dig trenches, run conduit, re-pave any sidewalks or roads that get dug up, etc.

 

For wireless, you could do it in a few different ways:

1. Strategically place Outdoor or Indoor rated AP's throughout the complex, and run Ethernet to each AP as appropriate to expand WIFI coverage without giving every unit their own AP

2. Use point-to-point wireless to wirelessly add AP's (Less ideal, susceptible to weather/atmospheric conditions and interference from radio signals)

3. Use Wireless Repeaters to expand the WIFI network (least ideal, since repeaters are terrible and in practice, tend to cut performance down significantly)

[limegorilla]

As for getting a ethernet

2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Either - depends on how much money the corporation is willing to spend on it.

 

Wiring Ethernet directly would be better - because then any tenant can choose to install their own AP, or the management group can choose to install an AP at a later date.

 

But wiring Ethernet is expensive. You've got to dig trenches, run conduit, re-pave any sidewalks or roads that get dug up, etc.

 

For wireless, you could do it in a few different ways:

1. Strategically place Outdoor or Indoor rated AP's throughout the complex, and run Ethernet to each AP as appropriate to expand WIFI coverage without giving every unit their own AP

2. Use point-to-point wireless to wirelessly add AP's (Less ideal, susceptible to weather/atmospheric conditions and interference from radio signals)

3. Use Wireless Repeaters to expand the WIFI network (least ideal, since repeaters are terrible and in practice, tend to cut performance down significantly)

As for getting wired Ethernet from reception's server to my house is a part that i'm not worried about. They already run Ethernet throughout the complex, as i will explain in a minute. However i don't want to rely on there system, as i plan on running cat 6, with the current system on cat 4. 

 

The management are never going to pay out for Ethernet cabling but i luckily have sufficient saved monies to do so myself.

 

they currently use the crappiest "wireless AP through the complex" thing that you mentioned earlier. However, there all bunched tightly together rather than spread throughout the complex, and there all on the same channel. 

 

They use Ubiquiti's Nanosation M5's with them set up to land you onto the main server login page - no config changes there. It is a large complex, i will admit, however i went around with the wireless meter app on my phone and there are several black spots, and several of the AP's just plain don't work. Yay.