Powered Speakers

[Enderman]

5 minutes ago, anothertom said:

And when you start providing useful suggestions i'll let you know. I suggested that speakers used in a home environment (where cable weight, length, access and power demands are less of an issue) are likely to be powered better by an external amplifier (with any features the user wants, specification the user desires and a proper cooling solution) rather than an integrated amplifier built by a third party on behalf of the speaker manufacturer. Having an external amplifier would also help with any thermal effects an integrated amplifier would have on the longevity of a speaker and the amplifier itself.

Yup, just as I though, you have no idea about powered vs passive speakers.

Maybe you should do a bit of research and learn that studio monitors are powered for none of the reasons you mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_speakers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

http://www.bedroom-recording.com/studio-monitors.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-should-i-opt-active-or-passive-monitors

http://www.audiosmarter.com/active-studio-monitors-vs-passive-vs-powered/

https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/best-studio-monitors/

Maybe you need to take a look at what literally almost all music producers, djs, music enthusiasts, mastering companies, etc... are using.

Spending $5000 on passive speakers is a joke. Spending $5000 on some adam audio monitors is an investment.

[Himommies]

6 minutes ago, anothertom said:

If we're playing that game, then (in relation to your previous post, where you continue to suggest audio interfaces as the correct solution) let us also play the game where everything Behringer is best used as a paperweight, and that i wouldn't trust the third as far as i can throw it.

 

"...plus in most powered speakers they already have built in amps and 90 percent of the sound well come through that"

the fuck does that actually mean? i can't even guess what you're trying to say here other than that the built in amps will be of a quality where the end quality is most defined there, and as such you don't need a good DAC? But that can't be right as that wasn't your original argument...and as we all know you're infallible.

Stop hating onBehringer  there lke thermaltake.They make the exact same high end  product as a another company at a much lower price,albit with cheaper materials that seems like a win to the consumers for me.A dac also only has am unbalanced, stereo output. Becasue of that it will cause interference with the speakers.It's much better to have a audio interface with mutiple outputs as to avoid the audio interference. Even so buying a Audio interface allows you to connect other stuff if you decide to get into fjing or music production.Using a breakout box will work but you'll get a lot more unwanted noise

[anothertom]

8 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yup, just as I though, you have no idea about powered vs passive speakers.

Maybe you should do a bit of research and learn that studio monitors are powered for none of the reasons you mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_speakers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

http://www.bedroom-recording.com/studio-monitors.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-should-i-opt-active-or-passive-monitors

http://www.audiosmarter.com/active-studio-monitors-vs-passive-vs-powered/

https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/best-studio-monitors/

Maybe you need to take a look at what literally almost all music producers, djs, music enthusiasts, mastering companies, etc... are using.

Spending $5000 on passive speakers is a joke. Spending $5000 on some adam audio monitors is an investment.

And when did I mention studio monitors? I said, home use. Where any money I spend on a speaker I would want to be spent on the speaker, and I'll worry about amplification.

 

We're not talking about studio monitors anyway, we're talking 500w bins for DJing.

 

And if you think spending $5000 on a passive PA is a joke, then maybe you need to get out more and actually visit a live music venue.

[Himommies]

10 minutes ago, anothertom said:

And when did I mention studio monitors? I said, home use. Where any money I spend on a speaker I would want to be spent on the speaker, and I'll worry about amplification.

 

We're not talking about studio monitors anyway, we're talking 500w bins for DJing.

 

And if you think spending $5000 on a passive PA is a joke, then maybe you need to get out more and actually visit a live music venue.

A audio interface does a better job then a dac 

[anothertom]

12 minutes ago, Himommies said:

Stop hating onBehringer  there lke thermaltake.They make the exact same high end  product as a another company at a much lower price,albit with cheaper materials that seems like a win to the consumers for me.A dac also only has am unbalanced, stereo output. Becasue of that it will cause interference with the speakers.It's much better to have a audio interface with mutiple outputs as to avoid the audio interference. Even so buying a Audio interface allows you to connect other stuff if you decide to get into fjing or music production.Using a breakout box will work but you'll get a lot more unwanted noise

You have both missed my point, and ignored what i've suggested OP do, all in the first sentence.

 

OP is a DJ, s/he has these speakers to use while DJing, and presumably has a setup for DJing already. S/he wants to use these speakers at home, so there is no need for features that won't be used.

 

If OP had given a budget of X hundred dollars, then an external DAC would be suitable, with DIing for unbalanced outputs. But with no given budget then a short patch cable into a passive 2Ch DI is the easiest, cheapest and best solution which prevents interference.

5 minutes ago, Himommies said:

A audio interface does a better job then a dac 

Say what? An audio interface will use a cheaper DAC than a dedicated DAC of the same price. How will it do a better job?

[Himommies]

2 minutes ago, anothertom said:

You have both missed my point, and ignored what i've suggested OP do, all in the first sentence.

 

OP is a DJ, s/he has these speakers to use while DJing, and presumably has a setup for DJing already. S/he wants to use these speakers at home, so there is no need for features that won't be used.

 

If OP had given a budget of X hundred dollars, then an external DAC would be suitable, with DIing for unbalanced outputs. But with no given budget then a short patch cable into a passive 2Ch DI is the easiest, cheapest and best solution which prevents interference.

Say what? An audio interface will use a cheaper DAC than a dedicated DAC of the same price. How will it do a better job?

A Dac only 1channel=more audio interferance/noise

A audio interface has mutiple channels which well deliver the audio with much less interference  and noise.

Read my post above

A direct boc might help but just get a audio interface for that price

If she/he is a fj a audio interface would b emuch more suitable considering you can plug much more things in

[Enderman]

1 hour ago, anothertom said:

And when did I mention studio monitors? I said, home use. Where any money I spend on a speaker I would want to be spent on the speaker, and I'll worry about amplification.

 

We're not talking about studio monitors anyway, we're talking 500w bins for DJing.

 

And if you think spending $5000 on a passive PA is a joke, then maybe you need to get out more and actually visit a live music venue.

His powered "dj speakers" are called studio monitors....

[anothertom]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

His powered "dj speakers" are called studio monitors....

And I'll quote one of OP's replies, "the original use was wedding DJing". The speakers are not in any way, shape or form meant to be used as studio monitors. (It's part of a PA if that's not clear to you)

 

You are being confused by the use of the word 'monitors'. In a studio environment it is to provide as accurate sound replication as possible. For a DJ it is used in the way it would be for a band, so the DJ has a clearer hearing (and with less delay) of what's going out of foh than just by hearing the reflections from the room. Often this will have a heavy bass bias so as to identify the start of a track or bar more accurately, and will not be suitable for use as a reference speaker.

[Ahoy Hoy]

11 hours ago, DeNo said:

Hey guys, 

I currently have a pair of Powered DJ Speakers (they don't need an amp to run). I am looking to use them for my speakers for my computer. Is there a way to do so ? The use XLR cables to connect. I am. It sure if they have a 1/4" jack because I've never used it. 

Ahoy hoy,

Theres a couple ways to take the output of a computer to XLR. Im presuming you need two XLRs for left and right.

1. jack to two XLR cable. Like these (but dont get these ones there a rip off im in Europe bit ticky to find American sellers, just search around you should be able to get it for sub 20 dollars) (also if you have stereo speakers make sure you get a stereo one)
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/IPMB2XM10

2. Sometimes running audio devices off separate power supply's means that there is a different earth connection. Since audio uses the earth as a reference of 0 it can cause audio problems (since earth isnt actually 0). Thats is why some devices have a ground lift. The speakers may have one if they do dont need this just get the cable. But if you use a DI box you can use it to split the earths of the two deivices so there not connected. Like this, but again not this one its a rip off. Just hunt around using words like laptop DI box. 1/8 DI box.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StageBug5

3. a audio interface. its a external sound card with a load of input and output options. You can spend hundreds on it to get super high quality or to get more features. But not worth it. Sound wont change much comparing a standard interface and computer onboard audio. Scarlet 2i2 is a standard one and thats going to cost you around 100 bucks.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlet2i2G2



My recommendation is get the cable in option one or a DI box as in option two.
I regular use both at work, and personally I use a DI box to my KRK speakers in my home audio (sadly that DI isnt available in America). Its not a drop in audio quality. If you think you may have a earth problem and the speakers dont have a earth/ground lift get the DI box. (the interface wont solve a earth problem so if you get the interface and you have a earth problem you still have to get a DI)

I really need to find a better website for american gear sweetwater is a rip off on most there products.

[Ahoy Hoy]

8 hours ago, Enderman said:

 

 

7 hours ago, anothertom said:

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After typing a massive post about all the mistakes said i accidentally hit the back button so RIP.
Long story short.
Anothertom correct enderman wrong on a load of points.
Passive active. Theres no major difference except one has amps and cross overs built in and the other doesnt.
Interfaces are not needed if you just need outputs. Interfaces should only be used if you need inputs.
Enderman linked a load of websites I ripped the shit into them and basically they dont say anything to prove your point about active passive one being better. Except for the blog by a random guy who just says one is better and doesnt give a reason.

Also QSC make low to mid tier stage PA systems, decent amplifers and shit mixers. They dont make studio monitors and never have.

If they do say monitors on that doesnt mean studio monitors. It means stage monitor which is a very different thing to studio monitors, and If thats what you think it is Enderman you have no knoweldge of audio industry and need to SHUT THE FUCK UP. If thats not what you meants your just being stupid and have no knoweldge of audio companies and what they make, because the moment i read QSC i knew exactly what the speakers would be.


And finaly anothertom that a nice Rig in your photo. I like the stage design looks good with the truss making a triangle you project into. Also in the top left is that a massive scanner or is it just perspective of the photo making it look ten times bigger then normal.
Only negative i see is the floor package points right in the eyes of the audiance i hope they dont stay still long otherwise front row isnt going to be your friend.

[Ahoy Hoy]

9 hours ago, Himommies said:

A audio interface does a better job then a dac 

A audio interface is a DAC. Its also a ADC.

[Himommies]

2 hours ago, Ahoy Hoy said:

A audio interface is a DAC. Its also a ADC.

No a audio interface is stero where dacs are usually mono

[spwath]

15 minutes ago, Himommies said:

No a audio interface is stero where dacs are usually mono

that is 100% incorrect

[Enderman]

4 hours ago, Ahoy Hoy said:

 

I made a mistake assuming he was talking about studio monitors and not PA speakers, my bad.

[anothertom]

15 hours ago, Himommies said:

A Dac only 1channel=more audio interferance/noise

A audio interface has mutiple channels which well deliver the audio with much less interference  and noise.

 

4 hours ago, Himommies said:

No a audio interface is stero where dacs are usually mono

You are confusing the number of output connectors with the number of channels. An audio interface (let's use the example of the 2i2) has two mono output channels, using two balanced 6.3mm jack connectors. This means it can output two different channels two in two physically different places.

 

A headphone DAC will usually only have two linked output channels, using a single stereo (unbalanced) 6.3/3.5mm jack connector. This means it can output two different channels, but in a single physical location. This is how motherboards and many sound cards output a 5.1/7.1 signal without using 6/8 physical connectors, by using an unbalanced stereo signal, which by their very definition aren't mono.

 

[Himommies]

5 hours ago, Enderman said:

I made a mistake assuming he was talking about studio monitors and not PA speakers, my bad.

So did I

 

3 hours ago, anothertom said:

 

You are confusing the number of output connectors with the number of channels. An audio interface (let's use the example of the 2i2) has two mono output channels, using two balanced 6.3mm jack connectors. This means it can output two different channels two in two physically different places.

 

A headphone DAC will usually only have two linked output channels, using a single stereo (unbalanced) 6.3/3.5mm jack connector. This means it can output two different channels, but in a single physical location. This is how motherboards and many sound cards output a 5.1/7.1 signal without using 6/8 physical connectors, by using an unbalanced stereo signal, which by their very definition aren't mono.

 

Yes I see now Sorry

[DeNo]

On 2/10/2017 at 5:10 AM, Ahoy Hoy said:

Ahoy hoy,

Theres a couple ways to take the output of a computer to XLR. Im presuming you need two XLRs for left and right.

1. jack to two XLR cable. Like these (but dont get these ones there a rip off im in Europe bit ticky to find American sellers, just search around you should be able to get it for sub 20 dollars) (also if you have stereo speakers make sure you get a stereo one)
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/IPMB2XM10

2. Sometimes running audio devices off separate power supply's means that there is a different earth connection. Since audio uses the earth as a reference of 0 it can cause audio problems (since earth isnt actually 0). Thats is why some devices have a ground lift. The speakers may have one if they do dont need this just get the cable. But if you use a DI box you can use it to split the earths of the two deivices so there not connected. Like this, but again not this one its a rip off. Just hunt around using words like laptop DI box. 1/8 DI box.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StageBug5

3. a audio interface. its a external sound card with a load of input and output options. You can spend hundreds on it to get super high quality or to get more features. But not worth it. Sound wont change much comparing a standard interface and computer onboard audio. Scarlet 2i2 is a standard one and thats going to cost you around 100 bucks.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlet2i2G2



My recommendation is get the cable in option one or a DI box as in option two.
I regular use both at work, and personally I use a DI box to my KRK speakers in my home audio (sadly that DI isnt available in America). Its not a drop in audio quality. If you think you may have a earth problem and the speakers dont have a earth/ground lift get the DI box. (the interface wont solve a earth problem so if you get the interface and you have a earth problem you still have to get a DI)

I really need to find a better website for american gear sweetwater is a rip off on most there products.

Thank you for clearing up some of the confusion from earlier. I gather from your response that I would be served just fine with the Y cable coming from my computer's audio out to the cable and then XLR to the speakers ?

Here are the speakers I am referring to for good measure. I should have listed them in the beginning to make things simple. 

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/634076-REG/QSC_HPR152I_HPR152i_15_2_Way_Powered.html

 

[Ahoy Hoy]

1 hour ago, DeNo said:

Thank you for clearing up some of the confusion from earlier. I gather from your response that I would be served just fine with the Y cable coming from my computer's audio out to the cable and then XLR to the speakers ?

Here are the speakers I am referring to for good measure. I should have listed them in the beginning to make things simple. 

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/634076-REG/QSC_HPR152I_HPR152i_15_2_Way_Powered.html

 

Mini jack to stereo XLR then a pair of XLR cables to the speakers