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Maybe you have some bad sectors. According to Microsoft, 32bit takes up less space that 64bit due to architecture requirements. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

 

So, you could have a bad sector that the 32bit install doesn't reach, but the 64bit does. It thinks it is installed, boots and finds the sector is bad. Maybe run chkdsk or some other hardware testing tool, such as from Seagate or WD, and see if you have some bad space on there.

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Hi so ive been trying to install windows 10 on 2 older hdd's iv got for a pc for a friend. One is a 3.5" 80gb other 2.5" 150gb both sata drives.

 

problem is the 150gb one wont install 64bit windows. it finishes the preparing install then when it restarts to start the install it blue screens. Installing the 32bit version works fine.

the 80gb drive doesnt seem to install at all regardless of 32/64 bit but will store files fine so isnt buggered. both drives are over 10years old not sure exact years etc or brands but can maybe find out if needed..

 

any idea or suggestions on getting 64bit on the 150gb drive?

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2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

probably bad drives. Check smart status and run a scan with badblocks or hdtune.

will do that now

1 minute ago, Dango said:

What the blue screen say? And what mode are those drives running at? AHCI?

didnt write it down but was a 0x000000 type thing of randoms letters numbers. IDE as SATA is the pc its used in running 32bit right now. ACHI mode doesnt work for some reason, it doesnt pick up any drives. I used my main pc which is a i3 6100 system to install the OS as the other pc doesnt pick up the usb as a bootable devices. If the error code will help alot i will try install as 64bit and write it down exactly

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Maybe you have some bad sectors. According to Microsoft, 32bit takes up less space that 64bit due to architecture requirements. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

 

So, you could have a bad sector that the 32bit install doesn't reach, but the 64bit does. It thinks it is installed, boots and finds the sector is bad. Maybe run chkdsk or some other hardware testing tool, such as from Seagate or WD, and see if you have some bad space on there.

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4 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Maybe you have some bad sectors. According to Microsoft, 32bit takes up less space that 64bit due to architecture requirements. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

 

So, you could have a bad sector that the 32bit install doesn't reach, but the 64bit does. It thinks it is installed, boots and finds the sector is bad. Maybe run chkdsk or some other hardware testing tool, such as from Seagate or WD, and see if you have some bad space on there.

right will do

1 minute ago, LabRat said:

remove the jumper from the hd.

please explain? what is a jumper :)

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2 minutes ago, RS2007GOD said:

right will do

please explain? what is a jumper :)

On the back of the drive, near the data and power connections, there will be 8 pins in a rectangle, 2 rows of 4. If there is a small pin connecting two of the pins, note where it is, and pull it off. (If its there.)

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2 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

On the back of the drive, near the data and power connections, there will be 8 pins in a rectangle, 2 rows of 4. If there is a small pin connecting two of the pins, note where it is, and pull it off. (If its there.)

right, can i ask what this does and why i do it?

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7 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

On the back of the drive, near the data and power connections, there will be 8 pins in a rectangle, 2 rows of 4. If there is a small pin connecting two of the pins, note where it is, and pull it off. (If its there.)

 

11 minutes ago, LabRat said:

remove the jumper from the hd.

Neither drive seems to have a jumper

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inWin 303 case

 

AMD Phenom II x4 940 @3.9ghz 1.65v

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Corsair H100 240mm AIO

Corsair Dominiator 8gb DDR2 @1066

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5 minutes ago, RS2007GOD said:

right, can i ask what this does and why i do it?

I cannot give you an exact reason why you would have a jumper on that HDD. Back in the dark ages on PC electronics, jumpers were used on PATA devices to set up the Master-Slave relationship between HDD and Optical drives. Others then used then in SATA-II drives for enhanced or alternate features, such as limiting disk speed or bandwidth, or some other troubleshooting options. Each drive is different. I'd have to look up your exact make/model to figure out why you would have them. Generally speaking, you shouldn't have them unless the manufacturer specifically requires it. Thats why I say take note of where it is (if it's there). That way you can put it back if taking it out doesn't work (if it's even there).

 

Jumpers on HDD's have pretty much gone extinct as far as I'm aware.

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1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

I still think you have a bad sector. I would plug it into another PC and do some testing on it. I'm pretty sure Seagate will let you download a testing tool for free.

 

http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/

thank you am in process of this now. If there is bad sector can the drive be used still but with less space or is it usless?

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3 minutes ago, RS2007GOD said:

thank you am in process of this now. If there is bad sector can the drive be used still but with less space or is it usless?

pretty much useless at that point.

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Hi so ive been trying to install windows 10 on 2 older hdd's iv got for a pc for a friend. One is a 3.5" 80gb other 2.5" 150gb both sata drives.

 

problem is the 150gb one wont install 64bit windows. it finishes the preparing install then when it restarts to start the install it blue screens. Installing the 32bit version works fine.

the 80gb drive doesnt seem to install at all regardless of 32/64 bit but will store files fine so isnt buggered. both drives are over 10years old not sure exact years etc or brands but can maybe find out if needed..

 

any idea or suggestions on getting 64bit on the 150gb drive?

Check to see if the rest of your parts support the 64bit OS

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3 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

pretty much useless at that point.

SMART scan passed 100%

2 minutes ago, Slayerstealth said:

Check to see if the rest of your parts support the 64bit OS

its being installed using a i3 6100 system which i use 64bit nvme. Also removed that before installing. There is no conflict there 100% sure on that.

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Corsair H115i 280mm AIO

Corsair 400c Case

Corsair RM1000i

 

Backup/Older/Toys:

Intel i3 6100 @4.6ghz 1.52v

Asrock B150M Pro4/Hyper

Intel 750 series 400gb

Radeon Rx 470 XFX

Thermaltake Water 3.0 360mm AIO 

inWin 303 case

 

AMD Phenom II x4 940 @3.9ghz 1.65v

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Corsair H100 240mm AIO

Corsair Dominiator 8gb DDR2 @1066

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11 minutes ago, Slayerstealth said:

Check to see if the rest of your parts support the 64bit OS

 

11 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

pretty much useless at that point.

 

32 minutes ago, LabRat said:

remove the jumper from the hd.

 

42 minutes ago, Dango said:

What the blue screen say? And what mode are those drives running at? AHCI, RAID or IDE?

 

43 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

probably bad drives. Check smart status and run a scan with badblocks or hdtune.

SMART passes 100%, Short DST failed at 60% and 80%

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Corsair H115i 280mm AIO

Corsair 400c Case

Corsair RM1000i

 

Backup/Older/Toys:

Intel i3 6100 @4.6ghz 1.52v

Asrock B150M Pro4/Hyper

Intel 750 series 400gb

Radeon Rx 470 XFX

Thermaltake Water 3.0 360mm AIO 

inWin 303 case

 

AMD Phenom II x4 940 @3.9ghz 1.65v

Gigabyte 780g mobo

Corsair H100 240mm AIO

Corsair Dominiator 8gb DDR2 @1066

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2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

bad drive, toss it

:( thanks guys

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Gigabyte G1 980ti Sli @1500 ghz

Samsung 950 pro 512gb

16gb G.Skill Ripjawz V @3400mhz 

Corsair H115i 280mm AIO

Corsair 400c Case

Corsair RM1000i

 

Backup/Older/Toys:

Intel i3 6100 @4.6ghz 1.52v

Asrock B150M Pro4/Hyper

Intel 750 series 400gb

Radeon Rx 470 XFX

Thermaltake Water 3.0 360mm AIO 

inWin 303 case

 

AMD Phenom II x4 940 @3.9ghz 1.65v

Gigabyte 780g mobo

Corsair H100 240mm AIO

Corsair Dominiator 8gb DDR2 @1066

Evga GTX 750ti FTW @1450mhz

Thermaltake Matrix case (modded)

 

"The best way to look stylish on a budget is to try second-hand, bargain hunting, and vintage" 

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15 minutes ago, RS2007GOD said:

:( thanks guys

Sorry for your loss. But, better now than later, right? Good luck boss.

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