Should I Wait For Zen?

[DisconnectedYT]

I just wanted to know if i should wait for Zen.

 

Im sick of using my Intel Pentium G3258 and was hping to buy a Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 (4Core 8 Thread) 3.2Ghz

And its almost christmas... But then i got told zen would be out soon and for almost the same price i could get a 8 Core 16 Thread 4.0Ghz+ CPU from AMD....

Should i sell my MSI Z97 Gaming 3 Motherboard + My DDR3 1600Mhz Ram (And maybe also my Pentium) And replace it with a cheap ($100-$150AUD) FM or AM 4 mobo, then also buy 8GB of DDR4 Ram and that new CPU.... 

 

(P.S i have a Watercooler so i was thinking that i could OC the new chip to like 4.5Ghz while i cant OC that Xeon at all so the water cooler i have would be a waste)

[SCHISCHKA]

6 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

I just wanted to know if i should wait for Zen.

 

you will not have to wait long but as you said you will have to wait through the Xmas holidays. I would wait for the end of season or boxing day sales, Zen won't be out but you might score a good deal

[Crafting]

Yes, wait for Zen, great idea. Great price and performance. If you can wait just a liiiitle bit more. Gotta get dem more cores, which intel doesn't have at the price points.

Personally I'm waiting, I have an old Fx-6300 which really shows its age.

 

-Crafting

[dizmo]

You shouldn't be paying full price for such an old chip. The Xeon is the cheaper way to go, for sure, especially since you already have the RAM etc.

AM4 stuff isn't out yet, so you can't buy anything for it.

If you want to wait, you can, but I figure it'll be 4ish months until we see stuff hit shelves. Is that worth it to you?

 

4 minutes ago, Crafting said:

Yes, wait for Zen, great idea. Great price and performance. If you can wait just a liiiitle bit more. Gotta get dem more cores, which intel doesn't have at the price points.

Personally I'm waiting, I have an old Fx-6300 which really shows its age.

 

-Crafting

Allegedly.

[DisconnectedYT]

Just now, dizmo said:

You shouldn't be paying full price for such an old chip. The Xeon is the cheaper way to go, for sure, especially since you already have the RAM etc.

AM4 stuff isn't out yet, so you can't buy anything for it.

If you want to wait, you can, but I figure it'll be 4ish months until we see stuff hit shelves. Is that worth it to you?

 

Allegedly.

4 Months.....

 

More like 2

 

Also waiting 4 months is worth it when ill be using it for 5 years

[Bananasplit_00]

6 minutes ago, Crafting said:

Yes, wait for Zen, great idea. Great price and performance. If you can wait just a liiiitle bit more. Gotta get dem more cores, which intel doesn't have at the price points.

Personally I'm waiting, I have an old Fx-6300 which really shows its age.

 

-Crafting

not necciseraly tbh, we dont have benchmarks yet and we know to little to know what they will preform like. we have lots of leeks and spekulations but in the end those arent solid informaton, and could all just be made up.

 

i wouldent wait, the Xeon will be cheaper and will still be good but do you need the preformance of the Xeon? you could get an I5 4690K and a better GPU instead, but of the Xeon is cheaper then that then the Xeon is  a solid pick

[Simon771]

If you waited that long, at least wait those few more weeks for AMD release.

 

I hope that AMD will create some CPU that can acctually go head to head with i7 from intel.

[Crafting]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You shouldn't be paying full price for such an old chip. The Xeon is the cheaper way to go, for sure, especially since you already have the RAM etc.

AM4 stuff isn't out yet, so you can't buy anything for it.

If you want to wait, you can, but I figure it'll be 4ish months until we see stuff hit shelves. Is that worth it to you?

 

Allegedly.

Zen is also much more powerful and new. Sure it is cheaper than the Zen, but it's older, slower and has no support for the new technology we have now. Zen will launch within too long (january, february) which is too close, to just buy stuff right away, waiting is key here, and you should be happy that you waited. Zen has proven itself.

 

-Crafting

[HKZeroFive]

11 minutes ago, Crafting said:

Zen is also much more powerful and new. Sure it is cheaper than the Zen, but it's older, slower and has no support for the new technology we have now. Zen will launch within too long (january, february) which is too close, to just buy stuff right away, waiting is key here, and you should be happy that you waited. Zen has proven itself.

 

-Crafting

How has Zen proven itself when it's not even released? There are no proper benchmarks conducted by third-party websites/establishments out yet and somehow you already say that it's good? This sort of hype/expectation only sets people up for disappointment.

[DisconnectedYT]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

How has Zen proven itself when it's not even released? There are no proper benchmarks conducted by third-party websites/establishments out yet and somehow you already say it's good? This sort of hype/expectation only sets people up for failure.

1) I smell some salt in the air ^

2) If this is just all "hype" then i can always just use that Xeon..... I was jus asking if it is what it was rumoured to be then should i ?

[HKZeroFive]

6 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

1) I smell some salt in the air ^

2) If this is just all "hype" then i can always just use that Xeon..... I was jus asking if it is what it was rumoured to be then should i ?

1) It's not salt, it's the truth. It happened with Bulldozer, it happened with Fiji, it happened with Polaris and I guarantee it will happen again with Zen. AMD's biggest opponent has always been the hype preceding the release of their products.

 

2) You could... I'm not disputing the fact that you should wait for Summit Ridge. But what needs to be said is that you should always wait for benchmarks first and not make a purchase decision off rumours with no actual credibility.

[Crafting]

1 minute ago, HKZeroFive said:

How has Zen proven itself when it's not even released? There are no proper benchmarks conducted by third-party websites/establishments out yet and somehow you already say it's good? This sort of hype/expectation only sets people up for failure.

Well, nothing has been checked completely by "reviewers" and such. But the benchmark that they showed off almost half a year ago, really shows, that the AMD "Zen" can beat an I7-6900K at the same GHz. Which just shows, that AMD is "up there" and not joking around those "40%" IPC increase. This is serious. With the recent delidding of the Zen CPU with great conduction, vs the Intel "TIM" which is evidently worse, it shows even more, that AMD cares about temperature, and not just having an "ok" product, maybe this is because of the still hotter chips, but they are not cheaping out on their products.

I see an interesting future, with Intel firing and not expanding, and AMD finally looking good, I'm looking out to a great year for future consumer products!

 

-Crafting

[Mi26]

Get the Xeon now and when Zen launch you have the choice of whether to upgrade or not 

[DisconnectedYT]

3 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

it happened with Polaris

I have an XFX RX480 8GB and it was very cheap, very fast, and very good for the price.

It lived up to the hypein my opinion and can easily beat the GTX1060 when Vulcan is enabled i many games (not to say the 1060 is a bad card)

 

 

[DisconnectedYT]

26 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

not necciseraly tbh, we dont have benchmarks yet and we know to little to know what they will preform like. we have lots of leeks and spekulations but in the end those arent solid informaton, and could all just be made up.

 

i wouldent wait, the Xeon will be cheaper and will still be good but do you need the preformance of the Xeon? you could get an I5 4690K and a better GPU instead, but of the Xeon is cheaper then that then the Xeon is  a solid pick

I dont need a ned GPU because i only game at 2560x1080p Ultra and my card gets me 50-90FPS

[Crafting]

4 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

I have an XFX RX480 8GB and it was very cheap, very fast, and very good for the price.

It lived up to the hypein my opinion and can easily beat the GTX1060 when Vulcan is enabled i many games (not to say the 1060 is a bad card)

 

 

And even if the Zen doesn't beat the next 7 gen Intel, it will still be cheaper, which accomodates for it.

So Zen will still be looking very attractive. But waiting for the different variations of the Zen is a great idea!

 

-Crafting

[HKZeroFive]

8 minutes ago, Crafting said:

Well, nothing has been checked completely by "reviewers" and such. But the benchmark that they showed off almost half a year ago, really shows, that the AMD "Zen" can beat an I7-6900K at the same GHz. Which just shows, that AMD is "up there" and not joking around those "40%" IPC increase. This is serious. With the recent delidding of the Zen CPU with great conduction, vs the Intel "TIM" which is evidently worse, it shows even more, that AMD cares about temperature, and not just having an "ok" product, maybe this is because of the still hotter chips, but they are not cheaping out on their products.

I see an interesting future, with Intel firing and not expanding, and AMD finally looking good, I'm looking out to a great year for future consumer products!

 

-Crafting

Here's a solid article by AnandTech that showcases why you shouldn't completely trust that benchmark... aside from the common logic to never view AMD's own benchmarks as indicative of actual performance. There's bound to be some sort of bias involved: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10585/unpacking-amds-zen-benchmark-is-zen-actually-2-faster-than-broadwell

 

Of course, I agree with you on that last point. If Zen is good, next year should certainly be a big win for us consumers.

[HKZeroFive]

14 minutes ago, DisconnectedYT said:

I have an XFX RX480 8GB and it was very cheap, very fast, and very good for the price.

It lived up to the hypein my opinion and can easily beat the GTX1060 when Vulcan is enabled i many games (not to say the 1060 is a bad card)

Ah, but some people expected R9 390X to R9 Fury levels of performance... some thought that it'd be the GTX 1070 killer... some thought that two in Crossfire would destroy a GTX 1080 in every game (spoiler alert: they don't)... that goes to show that people have varying levels of expectations.

 

I have little reason to doubt that Zen will be a big step up from AMD's past offerings... but just keep your expectations low is all that I'm saying.

[Bananasplit_00]

2 hours ago, DisconnectedYT said:

I dont need a ned GPU because i only game at 2560x1080p Ultra and my card gets me 50-90FPS

then the Xeon is a great pick