3930k vs the 6700k or 3930k vs 6850k

[MorganO]

which would be a fair comparison between the two? i know my 3930k is still on par with the skylake stuff?

 

currently at 4.6GHZ for stability 

 

is there a way to compare IPC across generations, also  what would be a sensible cpu upgrade in the future? (thinking the x99 successor), not that i use 100% of my  cpu already, it performs very well.

 

looking to upgrade mid to late 2017

 

performing a gpu upgrade from a  770 2gb to something slightly beefier, it can play most of the games i play, gta v, BF4, BF:HARDLINE, NFS (2016), etc at high/ultra at 30/or above 30 fps respectively with Vram being the limiting factor(well it appears to be in gta v) at 1080p, i would need a card that can do 1080p ultra 60fps but be as low cost as possible as it will be replaced mid/late 2017 or when pascal successor comes out.

 

many thanks

[H4X3R]

You're still good for another 2 years (buy 1070 or lower to avoid bottlenecking)

[Thorimus]

2 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

which would be a fair comparison between the two? i know my 3930k is still on par with the skylake stuff?

 

An RX480 4GB would do the trick until you can get your new card. Or if you could get your hands on a last-gen second-hand card, like a 970, which still performs pretty well. Your 3930K will continue to run perfectly well until Kaby Lake-X rolls around. 

 

3 minutes ago, H4X3R said:

You're still good for another 2 years (buy 1070 or lower to avoid bottlenecking)

I highly doubt that even a Titan XP would be bottle-necked by a 3930K.

[MorganO]

3 minutes ago, Thorimus said:

An RX480 4GB would do the trick until you can get your new card. Or if you could get your hands on a last-gen second-hand card, like a 970, which still performs pretty well. Your 3930K will continue to run perfectly well until Kaby Lake-X rolls around. 

 

I highly doubt that even a Titan XP would be bottle-necked by a 3930K.

i mean its using PCIE 2.0 but mobo is pcie 3.0 ready lol(ik it has neglble performance difference).

 

ill keep my it and probably end up seeing how far i can push it in cinebench till something dies (after its been replaced though), although i could get a pretty penny for the mobo and cpu and ram when it comes to reselling

[MorganO]

8 minutes ago, H4X3R said:

You're still good for another 2 years (buy 1070 or lower to avoid bottlenecking)

NGL a 1070 wont bottleneck this beast its on par with a 6700k or a 4790k etc 

[done12many2]

15 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

which would be a fair comparison between the two? i know my 3930k is still on par with the skylake stuff?

 

It would be better to compare a 3930k to a 6850k than a 6700k

 

15 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

 

currently at 4.6GHZ for stability 

 

is there a way to compare IPC across generations, also  what would be a sensible cpu upgrade in the future?

 

You could do a basic comparison via benchmarks.  Cinebench R15 and HWBOT x265 Benchmark to name a couple.  AIDA64's memory and cache bench is pretty damn good as well.

 

15 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

(thinking the x99 successor), not that i use 100% of my  cpu already, it performs very well.

 

looking to upgrade mid to late 2017

 

If you still feel that you have plenty of power now, no need to upgrade.  You can simply swap the GPU and enjoy that until Skylake-X arrives (x99 replacement).

 

20 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

performing a gpu upgrade from a  770 2gb to something slightly beefier, it can play most of the games i play, gta v, BF4, BF:HARDLINE, NFS (2016), etc at high/ultra at 30/or above 30 fps respectively with Vram being the limiting factor(well it appears to be in gta v) at 1080p, i would need a card that can do 1080p ultra 60fps but be as low cost as possible as it will be replaced mid/late 2017 or when pascal successor comes out.

 

A 1070 would be a great addition to you current 3930k.  Grant it, your single-threaded performance isn't necessarily fantastic, but as long as you keep the settings high with a 60 or slighly higher FPS expectation, you should be able to use the 1070 to it's fullest potential.  If you start lowering the settings at 1080p in order to crank out higher FPS, that's when you're going to start to see the limitations of your 3930k's single-threaded performance.

[done12many2]

9 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

NGL a 1070 wont bottleneck this beast its on par with a 6700k or a 4790k etc 

 

At high FPS 1080p, the 3930k may restrict the 1070 a bit.

 

If you are moving up in resolution or settings, it'll be fine.

[MorganO]

13 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

It would be better to compare a 3930k to a 6850k than a 6700k

 

 

You could do a basic comparison via benchmarks.  Cinebench R15 and HWBOT x265 Benchmark to name a couple.  AIDA64's memory and cache bench is pretty damn good as well.

 

 

If you still feel that you have plenty of power now, no need to upgrade.  You can simply swap the GPU and enjoy that until Skylake-X arrives (x99 replacement).

 

 

A 1070 would be a great addition to you current 3930k.  Grant it, your single-threaded performance isn't necessarily fantastic, but as long as you keep the settings high with a 60 or slighly higher FPS expectation, you should be able to use the 1070 to it's fullest potential.  If you start lowering the settings at 1080p in order to crank out higher FPS, that's when you're going to start to see the limitations of your 3930k's single-threaded performance.

im waiting for the x99 replacement before i upgrade,might see to whats coming out ( i dont have a whole load of cash to drop on a gpu)i have plenty power

seems to be behind by ~100-200 points depending on my OC

and overall its seems the 6850k is ~21% faster than my 3930k

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6850K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3606vs1487

 

12 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

At high FPS 1080p, the 3930k may restrict the 1070 a bit.

 

If you are moving up in resolution or settings, it'll be fine.

probably just crank up the settings and resolution scaling to get the highest graphical settings possible(i have a 1080p60 monitor right now) im not going for mad fps prefer graphical quality over fps in some games for instant i have gta v at high settings with v sync on half (30fps) becuase v sync 60 means when it drops below 60 momentarily it creates jumping and without v sync i get screen tearing, 

using user benchmark

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2170847

[Sintezza]

6700K will smash the 3930K or 6850K in pretty much any game out there.

[MorganO]

3 minutes ago, Sintezza said:

6700K will smash the 3930K or 6850K in pretty much any game out there.

if the game likes single cores , im not talking about just gaming tho, so overall they are about the same (3930k v 6850k) 

with the 6700k about 10% faster  see average cpu  bench cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3502vs1487

and the 6850k v the 3930k is 21% faster see the same thing as the 6700k v 3930k http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6850K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3606vs1487

 

[Sintezza]

7 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

if the game likes single cores , im not talking about just gaming tho, so overall they are about the same (3930k v 6850k) 

with the 6700k about 10% faster  see average cpu  bench cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3502vs1487

and the 6850k v the 3930k is 21% faster see the same thing as the 6700k v 3930k http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6850K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3606vs1487

 

If you are using a 3930K right now then there isnt really that much reason to upgrade.

Unless you use software applications like Adobe premiere for example.

BUt still there will be a new platform out most likely till the time you want to upgrade.

Like skylake-X or AMD Zen.

[Matias_Chambers]

The 6700K performs better even in multi-threaded applications. It's not really worth the upgrade though. I would wait for Cannonlake at least. 

[Matias_Chambers]

1 minute ago, Matias_Chambers said:

The 6700K performs better even in multi-threaded applications. It's not really worth the upgrade though. I would wait for Cannonlake at least. 

Well they are about the same in terms of multicore performance. 

[MorganO]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

If you are using a 3930K right now then there isnt really that much reason to upgrade.

Unless you use software applications like Adobe premiere for example.

BUt still there will be a new platform out most likely till the time you want to upgrade.

Like skylake-X or AMD Zen.

Gonna wait for skylake x or whatever the X99 successor is. 

I got a X79 system with 16gb ram4*4 Dom plats, a siedon 140xl, 250gb 850 EVO,  1tb HDD, GTX 770 2GB Hof, CX750m, Asus P9X79 pro for £500

40 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

The 6700K performs better even in multi-threaded applications. It's not really worth the upgrade though. I would wait for Cannonlake at least. 

 

39 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Well they are about the same in terms of multicore performance. 

I know they are similar in multicore performance. 

Did you reply to yourself? 

[Thorimus]

22 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

At high FPS 1080p, the 3930k may restrict the 1070 a bit.

 

If you are moving up in resolution or settings, it'll be fine.

The only reason a 3930K would even slightly bottleneck anything is that Sandy Bridge-E uses PCIe 2.0, even though the mobo is 3.0. The performance difference between PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 when in a 16X slot is a couple FPS at most, even with a 1080 or Titan XP. 

[MorganO]

58 minutes ago, Thorimus said:

The only reason a 3930K would even slightly bottleneck anything is that Sandy Bridge-E uses PCIe 2.0, even though the mobo is 3.0. The performance difference between PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 when in a 16X slot is a couple FPS at most, even with a 1080 or Titan XP. 

neglible fps

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, Thorimus said:

The only reason a 3930K would even slightly bottleneck anything is that Sandy Bridge-E uses PCIe 2.0, even though the mobo is 3.0. The performance difference between PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 when in a 16X slot is a couple FPS at most, even with a 1080 or Titan XP. 

 

You and I are talking about two completely different things.  

 

The restriction or bottleneck I'm referring to is the fact that when using higher powered GPUs and as resolution drops, the GPU's dependency on the CPU increases. 

 

That's why running a strong GPU at very low resolution in some GPU benchmarks such as Valley is jokingly referred to as a CPU test.  

 

Same thing applies to games.  Run them at high resolution/settings and the GPU doesn't depend on the CPU as much as it does at lower resolution/settings. 

 

If you read back through the thread, I was advising that OP would be fine with a 3930k and something like a 1070 as long as he didn't plan on running 1080p or lower at lower settings, which he is not doing. 

[Redicat]

Overclock you're good ta go, Barly any bottlenecks OPTIFINE your Windows 10 instal and i'd be fixed. remove any crapware or telemetry

[MorganO]

40 minutes ago, Redicat said:

Overclock you're good ta go, Barly any bottlenecks OPTIFINE your Windows 10 instal and i'd be fixed. remove any crapware or telemetry

already have the system just looking into its successor  tbh cba messsing with win10 tbh they can send all the 'telementry' havent seen much crapware so far and been using win10 since it came out

[Redicat]

3 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

already have the system just looking into its successor  tbh cba messsing with win10 tbh they can send all the 'telementry' havent seen much crapware so far and been using win10 since it came out

Cool man MSG me if you have problems i know how to solve all the cheese from shady Microsoft crap.  

 

I own a 3930K its a cheap beast

[MorganO]

5 minutes ago, Redicat said:

Cool man MSG me if you have problems i know how to solve all the cheese from shady Microsoft crap.  

 

I own a 3930K its a cheap beast

i got it in a system for £500 which was great value given the motherboard pricing for these old beasts