VRMark now available

[porina]

Ok, I'm about as tested as I can be bothered to be with VRMark and CPU scaling now.

 

For the system: i7-6700k @ 4.2, 1070, I can say that having HT on gains you about 2.5% over it being off. Lower CPU clocks does lower the score regardless of HT state. I also tried changing ram speed. Going from dual channel 2133 to 2666 which is a 25% increase gave about 2% increase in scores. So, no significant impact there either.

 

Based on this benchmark, it suggests doesn't matter much if you go i5 or i7 as long as the clock is high. Ram also doesn't matter much within the bounds I tested it. Personally I wouldn't run any performance system in fewer ram channels than supported so I'm not going to try single.

[ThinkWithPortals]

My VRMark Orange Room result was 7004 (specs in signature), avg FPS 152.69. No Blue Room test because I don't want to pay for it.

 

Knowing that my system will breeze through VR if I choose to get a Rift or Vive gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside

[Davehaslanded]

The blue room benchmark is interesting as it currently isn't possible to beat with current GPUs. I wonder how long it will take before GPUs can pass the 90fps target.

I have a triple slot gtx 1080, and despite the fact I'm above the high end default, I still only get a 60fps average in the blue room. 

[jagdtigger]

I got 5509 in orange room(4670k@4,5GHz, r9 290x@1100), i could push for more but the DP connector on my card do not like high core voltages...

[porina]

31 minutes ago, Davehaslanded said:

The blue room benchmark is interesting as it currently isn't possible to beat with current GPUs. I wonder how long it will take before GPUs can pass the 90fps target.

I have a triple slot gtx 1080, and despite the fact I'm above the high end default, I still only get a 60fps average in the blue room. 

Need someone with SLI to see if that helps...

[Sakkura]

5 hours ago, porina said:

I've not been able to verify your claim of a 980 requirement from nvidia as a quick search only shows the 1060 listed. If I run GeForce Experience on my 970 system, it says that GPU is VR ready (but the Xeon CPU I have isn't).

 

If you also look at Rift and Vive minimum specs, they also both state 970.

The Rift minimum spec is a 960, not a 970. That's due to the introduction of ASW.

 

Valve has been really lagging behind Oculus. Oculus had ATW from the start, across all relevant graphics cards, and have now added ASW support on newer cards. Valve is only now adding their version of ATW, and only on Nvidia cards.

[Davehaslanded]

2 hours ago, Sakkura said:

The Rift minimum spec is a 960, not a 970. That's due to the introduction of ASW.

 

Valve has been really lagging behind Oculus. Oculus had ATW from the start, across all relevant graphics cards, and have now added ASW support on newer cards. Valve is only now adding their version of ATW, and only on Nvidia cards.

Sssh! Don't say nice things about Rift and bad things about Vive here. It's suicide. I've made that mistake before. Tried making a balanced argument about for every bad move Oculus made (exclusives etc) they win Somewhere else. 

Sadly, Since the Facebook buyout, the Oculus name has been constantly dragged through the mud. Lol

[jagdtigger]

11 hours ago, Davehaslanded said:

Sssh! Don't say nice things about Rift and bad things about Vive here. It's suicide. I've made that mistake before. Tried making a balanced argument about for every bad move Oculus made (exclusives etc) they win Somewhere else. 

Sadly, Since the Facebook buyout, the Oculus name has been constantly dragged through the mud. Lol

I dont understand why are you surprised. FB has a bad reputation because they harvest everything about you, even when you logged out  from their site... Plus they had the same fiasco as MS with harvesting your data behind your back(and before someone jumps on me, hiding it in the TOS or EULA is not the same as asking for the users permission!).

[Davehaslanded]

5 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

I dont understand why are you surprised. FB has a bad reputation because they harvest everything about you, even when you logged out  from their site... Plus they had the same fiasco as MS with harvesting your data behind your back(and before someone jumps on me, hiding it in the TOS or EULA is not the same as asking for the users permission!).

But that's the point. People have lost site of the actual product, which is great. Yes Oculus should have released motion controls earlier, but it's still great fun. I have seen people on here go from 'Oculus is amazing' to 'Everything Oculus does Sucks' literally overnight when they announced the Facebook merger. People cant be objective. In my mind, its the same when people on here say they have iPhone and get a torrent of abuse from android users. Its unneeded and isn't really discussing the technology. 

[jagdtigger]

Just now, Davehaslanded said:

But that's the point. People have lost site of the actual product, which is great. Yes Oculus should have released motion controls earlier, but it's still great fun. I have seen people on here go from 'Oculus is amazing' to 'Everything Oculus does Sucks' literally overnight when they announced the Facebook merger. People cant be objective. In my mind, its the same when people on here say they have iPhone and get a torrent of abuse from android users. Its unneeded and isn't really discussing the technology. 

A little bit edged out analogy but would you buy an expensive car that is logging and recording everything that you do?

 

/EDIT

These things are expensive and people expect that when they pay for a service/thing it wont "watch" them...

[Davehaslanded]

2 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

A little bit edged out analogy but would you buy an expensive car that is logging and recording everything that you do?

Here in the U.K. Many insurance companies insist on such a device being installed in your car before they will cover you and it's a growing trend. 

 

But that wasn't the point I was making.  I'm not defending the bad. I don't have any particular affiliation with any brand.  What I was saying, is that people can't objectively look at things and give credit where it's due.  

 

I've seen professional reviews on sites like the Verge and upload VR  Who have compared both headsets and shown they are on equal footing.  Every strength one has, the other has something to compensate.  But going by these forums, you would think that the rift is absolute rubbish  and the Vive is gods gift to humanity. 

 

 The tracking is an issue for some.  But the truth is, some customers simply don't care.  So for those people, they have nothing but negatives. They have a store full of exclusive titles that they would not have got if they had a bought a Vive.  People are so concerned about information being taken.  And yet stream knows exactly what hardware you have.  It is sent back to valve. Microsoft is said to be building back doors into it software.  And yet they are all used in the millions. 

 

If you are careful, and you don't put sensitive information Unencrypted on your PC,  chances are you will be fine. 

[jagdtigger]

Just now, Davehaslanded said:

Here in the U.K. Many insurance companies insist on such a device being installed in your car before they will cover you and it's a growing trend. 

 

But that wasn't the point I was making.  I'm not defending the bad. I don't have any particular affiliation with any brand.  What I was saying, is that people can't objectively look at things and give credit where it's due.  

 

I've seen professional reviews on sites like the Verge and upload VR  Who have compared both headsets and shown they are on equal footing.  Every strength one has, the other has something to compensate.  But going by these forums, you would think that the rift is absolute rubbish  and the Vive is gods gift to humanity. 

 

 The tracking is an issue for some.  But the truth is, some customers simply don't care.  So for those people, they have nothing but negatives. They have a store full of exclusive titles that they would not have got if they had a bought a Vive.  People are so concerned about information being taken.  And yet stream knows exactly what hardware you have.  It is sent back to valve. Microsoft is said to be building back doors into it software.  And yet they are all used in the millions. 

 

If you are careful, and you don't put sensitive information Unencrypted on your PC,  chances are you will be fine. 

If that means a dashcam stuck on the windshield with suction cup thats fine with me, if its a "black box" then i look for other company .

 

Back on topic. Its strange but its how things work. If a company receives a lot of negative feedback from the media people will avoid things from that company. Like in my country sticking with autos there is a saying: "Dont buy autos with brand name beginning with f and the ones that made in France..." (And i do not want to debate if its baseless or not, just an example.)

 

To be honest i really hate exclusive titles... I cant see any justification to lock a game to specific HW. Regarding data collection, well steam only sends back the HW data and installed apps. That is okay(ish), but what FB and MS does is very wrong(they do not disclose anything about what is being collected). Plus unlike steam you cant just close them...

 

BTW it doesn't matter if its encrypted, at some point you will have to decrypt it and nothing prevents the OS or some process to look through the file(s) and make a shadow copy until you plug back the "internet" and it can upload it to some server (this last part is a little bit exaggeration but it could happen)...

[Davehaslanded]

12 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

If that means a dashcam stuck on the windshield with suction cup thats fine with me, if its a "black box" then i look for other company

Nope, It's actually a black box, and for many it significantly reduces premiums. Many can't afford an alternative.

 

12 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

To be honest i really hate exclusive titles... I cant see any justification to lock a game to specific HW. Regarding data collection, well steam only sends back the HW data and installed apps. That is okay(ish), but what FB and MS does is very wrong(they do not disclose anything about what is being collected). Plus unlike steam you cant just close them...

I'm not keen on exclusives either, But i was using the example of something that an Oculus customer can use as a positive. Sadly most our phones now collect data. The public have repeatedly shown they are willing to give up privicy and freedom in life for new tech. When we found out we were being spied on by NSA/GCHQ, what happened? A few minor protests maybe, but nothing. Most people just said "Well I have nothing to hide". The sad thing is Companies like Facebook and Microsoft are just following the tide. Still, I don't agree, just playing devils advocate.

 

12 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

BTW it doesn't matter if its encrypted, at some point you will have to decrypt it and nothing prevents the OS or some process to look through the file(s) and make a shadow copy until you plug back the "internet" and it can upload it to some server (this last part is a little bit exaggeration but it could happen)...

The problem is, much of the panic is based on here-say. Truth is we really don't know whats being collected. Microsoft and Oculus both claim its nothing more than diagnostics data, and the outgoing data traffic would support that claim.

 

We've gone off topic again lol. My original point is that Yes, Oculus has issues, but it also has many good points. Many consider the rift to be more comfortable for long play sessions, it has built in headphones (that are pretty damn good)  Setup is easier, and according to UploadVR's articles, they actually feel that Touch is the better controller, Rift has a lower cost of entry, not just for headset, but PC hardware needed too. But sadly I never see this stuff on the forums. Many Oculus users like myself have squirreled themselves away after getting abused for buying one.

[christianled59]

I tried the demo in the Vive. The volumetric lighting is absolutely stunning.