console killer

[Oswin]

what are your thoughts on this console killer? feel free to comment

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/FFKtWX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/FFKtWX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($43.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.33 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 460 4GB STRIX OC Video Card  ($134.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23  ATX Mid Tower Case  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($24.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $410.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-01 09:40 EDT-0400

[Rohit Jackdaw]

Try to squeeze in an RX 470. It's worth the extra. Other than that it looks fine to me.

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, Rohit Jackdaw said:

Try to squeeze in an RX 470. It's worth the extra. Other than that it looks fine to me.

trying to stay in the 415-420$ price point

[Herman Mcpootis]

at this price i'd rather drop the ssd, get a cheaper 1tb hdd and spend the money on a gtx 1050ti/i3 and gtx 1050 if possible instead.

[Oswin]

3 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

at this price i'd rather drop the ssd, get a cheaper 1tb hdd and spend the money on a gtx 1050ti/i3 and gtx 1050 if possible instead.

cant seem to fit it in

[Herman Mcpootis]

4 minutes ago, Oswin said:

cant seem to fit it in

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($37.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($144.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23  ATX Mid Tower Case  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($24.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $417.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-01 09:30 EDT-0400

[Oswin]

Just now, herman mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($37.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($144.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23  ATX Mid Tower Case  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($24.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $417.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-01 09:30 EDT-0400

is the hitachi drive reliable?

[CoffeeandBagels]

What @herman mcpoontis said. I also skipped out on the SSD and I don't miss it for a second. Boot time is fine and I'd rather have the space. Other than that, enjoy your console killer!

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Oswin said:

is the hitachi drive reliable?

they're not the best but not outright horrible. they'll do fine for a low-end rig(have a 500gb hdd variant, works well).

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, CoffeeandBagels said:

What @herman mcpoontis said. I also skipped out on the SSD and I don't miss it for a second. Boot time is fine and I'd rather have the space. Other than that, enjoy your console killer!

 

i am just building it for my friend i already have my own build, but i hope he will like it

[BiscuitMassacre]

10 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

at this price i'd rather drop the ssd, get a cheaper 1tb hdd and spend the money on a gtx 1050ti/i3 and gtx 1050 if possible instead.

Please don't. It will ruin your entire build imo. I went from a 750 ti and a AMD 6300 to a 4690k and a  970 over a period of time. But let me tell you this... I NEVER had a better upgrade than a SSD. ANd it will be really hard to upgade. You will have to like wipe your HDD, its a tedious process and you will probably loose some personal data. A graphics card can be upgraded within minutes. 

[BiscuitMassacre]

3 minutes ago, CoffeeandBagels said:

What @herman mcpoontis said. I also skipped out on the SSD and I don't miss it for a second. Boot time is fine and I'd rather have the space. Other than that, enjoy your console killer!

 

Boot times aren't everying. Its about the experience. When you hit start and you get this laggy little popup that freezes half way through. And your Chrome takes 30 seconds to launch, and just doing a simple windows search is longer than a monday,, Its terrible. My brother doesn't have a SSD and it SUCKS. My system is SOO much more graceful. And IMO 1TB is overrated. Unless you are a content creator or insist on having your WHOLE library of 100 games installed on your computer, I don't know WHY you need 1TB

[Oswin]

2 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Please don't. It will ruin your entire build imo. I went from a 750 ti and a AMD 6300 to a 4690k and a  970 over a period of time. But let me tell you this... I NEVER had a better upgrade than a SSD. ANd it will be really hard to upgade. You will have to like wipe your HDD, its a tedious process and you will probably loose some personal data. A graphics card can be upgraded within minutes. 

i was confused on which to choose, an ssd or a 460? i assume the ssd would be the wise choice since the 1050ti and the 460 only have some performance difference

[CoffeeandBagels]

Just now, BiscuitMassacre said:

 ...Unless you are a content creator or insist on having your WHOLE library of 100 games installed on your computer, ...

You hit the nail on the head. I have 1400+ Steam games and thus the space is more useful to me.

[BiscuitMassacre]

Just now, Oswin said:

i was confused on which to choose, an ssd or a 460? i assume the ssd would be the wise choice since the 1050ti and the 460 only have some performance difference

If this is just a gaming machine, you don't really care about it, AND JUST WANT graphics powerrer. get a new GPU. otherwise get the SSD. Everyone I know that got an SSD didn't regret it at all. 

[BiscuitMassacre]

1 minute ago, CoffeeandBagels said:

You hit the nail on the head. I have 1400+ Steam games and thus the space is more useful to me.

Well that is a valid argument. you got to decide what is more important to you:

 

Mass files (buy a bigger drive)

FPS (buy a better GPU)

Gracefulness (get a SSD)

 

Personally I would get a SSD. In games, there really isn't a big difference, but you will appreciate it SO much if you do anything other than just games. And it also so convenient to just restart when you need to and you know you will be into your game again within the minute. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 minutes ago, Oswin said:

i was confused on which to choose, an ssd or a 460? i assume the ssd would be the wise choice since the 1050ti and the 460 only have some performance difference

an rx 460 has the performance of an r7 370, the 1050ti has the performance of just slightly below an r9 380. the 1050ti does have a massive performance gain over the rx 460. don't bother with slightly faster boot times, just make a 100-200gb partition to use as the boot partition and clone that over to an ssd if he chooses to buy one.

[dizmo]

Don't get a dual core CPU. You can't play a lot of games on them.

An i3 (Intel) should be as low as you go on the CPU scale.

@herman mcpootis made the best build you'll likely find at that price.

You could always get an SSD now, and an HDD later. Or just get your friend to save an extra $60ish.

 

Black Friday is coming...

[Herman Mcpootis]

23 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Please don't. It will ruin your entire build imo.

no it won't. its just slightly faster boot times and more responsive feel while a better graphics card will get much better picture quality in games and/or much better smoothness.

19 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

And your Chrome takes 30 seconds to launch, and just doing a simple windows search is longer than a monday,, Its terrible.

stop your bullshit overexaggeration, i've(and most of us) have used hdds for our pc before, and chrome does not take goddamn 30 seconds to launch.

19 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

And IMO 1TB is overrated. Unless you are a content creator or insist on having your WHOLE library of 100 games installed on your computer, I don't know WHY you need 1TB

have you seen the storage space needed for new games? one game now can easily take up to 30-60gb of storage. try storing that onto a 120gb hdd, or even a 240gb for that matter. you'll run out FAST.

23 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

 

You will have to like wipe your HDD, its a tedious process and you will probably loose some personal data. A graphics card can be upgraded within minutes. 

lets put it this way. an ssd upgrade costs only $40-45 for a 120gb ssd, and $60-70 for a 240gb ssd. a new gtx 1050ti would cost $145. you want him to smoke $145 for his next upgrade because of slightly faster boot times?

[Quaker]

52 minutes ago, Oswin said:

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($43.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($37.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 460 4GB STRIX OC Video Card  ($134.98 @ Newegg) 
 

I would keep this basic build, but I would drop the SSD and even just go with 4Gigs of RAM in order to get an i3-6100 instead of the G4400. (and/or go with a cheaper 2Gig RX 460).

Many games - GTA 5 for example - need more CPU power than a G4400 can provide.

But, it does depend upon what games will be played, and there is the aspect that the G4400 could be upgraded later.

[Oswin]

Just now, Quaker said:

I would keep this basic build, but I would drop the SSD and even just go with 4Gigs of RAM in order to get an i3-6100 instead of the G4400. (and/or go with a cheaper 2Gig RX 460).

Many games - GTA 5 for example - need more CPU power than a G4400 can provide.

But, it does depend upon what games will be played, and there is the aspect that the G4400 could be upgraded later.

he does say he wanted to play GTA 5. maybe i would take the i3

[BiscuitMassacre]

8 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

no it won't. its just slightly faster boot times and more responsive feel while a better graphics card will get much better picture quality in games and/or much better smoothness.

stop your bullshit overexaggeration, i've(and most of us) have used hdds for our pc before, and chrome does not take goddamn 30 seconds to launch.

have you seen the storage space needed for new games? one game now can easily take up to 30-60gb of storage. try storing that onto a 120gb hdd, or even a 240gb for that matter. you'll run out FAST.

lets put it this way. an ssd upgrade costs only $40-45 for a 120gb ssd, and $60-70 for a 240gb ssd. a new gtx 1050ti would cost $145. you want him to smoke $145 for his next upgrade because of slightly faster boot times?

geees. you don't got to get all harsh. 

well a new 1050 TI would cost that much minus the cost he gets back when he resells his current card. And yes it doesn't take 30 seconds to open chrome. Maybe for someone who really cares about their computer and make sure everything is optimized just right, but for a normal person, it goes down real fast. My brothers system is trash. It only takes about 2 minutes to boot, but then another another 5 minutes until everything starts to level out.

 

In my opinion, I would rather have the SSD. Very clearly you would rather have a newer GPU. I don't care what the OP Decides. Up to him, but he is right, you can't really afford a SSD on this budget. You need a better CPU more than anything if you want to play games like GTA or Forza

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

geees. you don't got to get all harsh. 

well a new 1050 TI would cost that much minus the cost he gets back when he resells his current card. And yes it doesn't take 30 seconds to open chrome. Maybe for someone who really cares about their computer and make sure everything is optimized just right, but for a normal person, it goes down real fast. My brothers system is trash. It only takes about 2 minutes to boot, but then another another 5 minutes until everything starts to level out.

 

In my opinion, I would rather have the SSD. Very clearly you would rather have a newer GPU. I don't care what the OP Decides. Up to him, but he is right, you can't really afford a SSD on this budget. You need a better CPU more than anything if you want to play games like GTA or Forza

i am pretty sure you meant to upgrade to a GPU that is more premium in the next 2-3 years. and for the chrome issue... well i have an old laptop with a hdd and it takes 5 mins to boot and 30+ sec to fire up chrome heck even internet explorer ( YES EVEN FRIKIN INTERNET EXPLORER ) 

[Herman Mcpootis]

11 minutes ago, Oswin said:

i am pretty sure you meant to upgrade to a GPU that is more premium in the next 2-3 years. and for the chrome issue... well i have an old laptop with a hdd and it takes 5 mins to boot and 30+ sec to fire up chrome heck even internet explorer ( YES EVEN FRIKIN INTERNET EXPLORER ) 

older harddisks may have been fragmented which will make it run slower than normal. if its a 5400rpm hdd than it'll also be slower than a 7200rpm hdd. you shouldn't see the pc this slow with a current 7200rpm hdd.

[Matias_Chambers]

1 hour ago, Oswin said:

is the hitachi drive reliable?

I have a Hitachi drive that was in a laptop. It was bought used by my parents in the early 2000's. Still working after having been literally dropped down stairs.