Need help with my PC build

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

So I have plans to build a gaming PC from scratch, by buying the parts individually instead of in a pre-built system, and I have come across a problem. 

In my build, the case I am using is a Corsair 450D Mid Tower, which has 3 fans installed already, two in the front and one in the rear. I plan to add a all in one cooler to the top of the case (The radiator), the Corsair H110i 280mm Water Cooler is what I have chosen. Although this seemed like a great plan at first, I ran into an issue. 

In my setup, I want a positive or neutral air pressure/flow through out my case, and from what I can tell, with the two fans in the front pushing air in, 1 at the back and 2 at the top (Radiator) pulling air out will create a negative air pressure/flow. Although, I am not very knowledgeable on this topic..........

So I was wondering if I needed to add an additional fan to make the air pressure/flow positive or neutral?

Thanks in advance,

DarkenedNovaBlade.


P.S, I have linked a copy of my build to the website which I am building it on, which is PCCG (PC Case Gear).


https://www.pccasegear.com/wish_lists/632379

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

Woops, should have posted this in New Builds and Planning..... Oh well......

[socks&sandals]

Get a cheaper 1070 cos the strix is probably the most expensive , but not the best . Go for the msi gaming x or one of evga's models

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

I had planned to, and will definitely swap to an EVGA when they come back in stock.

 

 

[Zyndo]

38 minutes ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

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A common misconception, even amongst some seasoned system builders, is that the number of fans determines system pressure. That is not the case. Air flow/fan speeds/fan sizes are far more important when determining this. If you want to create positive air pressure, turn up your two front intakes a little bit, and turn down your rear exhaust a little bit. the AIO will then be allowed to ramp up and down as it wishes based on its workload without causing negative pressure in your system. Remember also that its about air flow, and that fans on a radiator experience disturbed air flow, so even operating at 100% they aren't really pushing 100% of the air they can through that radiator (even high quality SP fans cannot accomplish this).

 

If you had your front intake fans running at 60%-70%, your rear exhaust at 40%-50%, you should have enough positive pressure leftover to overpower the exhaust left on your AIO. Feel free to experiment with these numbers, as I've not done any specific caluclations or anything. just a rough guesstimation =). Keep in mind that if there are drive bays in front of your intakes, that is going to disrupt your total amount of airflow just as a radiator will on the top (although not by as much). Just play with the speeds a bit and monitor your dust collection =)

[DutchTexan]

9 minutes ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

So I have plans to build a gaming PC from scratch, by buying the parts individually instead of in a pre-built system, and I have come across a problem. 

In my build, the case I am using is a Corsair 450D Mid Tower, which has 3 fans installed already, two in the front and one in the rear. I plan to add a all in one cooler to the top of the case (The radiator), the Corsair H110i 280mm Water Cooler is what I have chosen. Although this seemed like a great plan at first, I ran into an issue. 

In my setup, I want a positive or neutral air pressure/flow through out my case, and from what I can tell, with the two fans in the front pushing air in, 1 at the back and 2 at the top (Radiator) pulling air out will create a negative air pressure/flow. Although, I am not very knowledgeable on this topic..........

So I was wondering if I needed to add an additional fan to make the air pressure/flow positive or neutral?

Thanks in advance,

DarkenedNovaBlade.


P.S, I have linked a copy of my build to the website which I am building it on, which is PCCG (PC Case Gear).


https://www.pccasegear.com/wish_lists/632379

That website is way overpriced?

 

use www.pcpartpicker.com 

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

Hi, was just wondering, because I live in Australia, and everything is overpriced, is that an Australian site? 


While I could find better deals and stuff, paying the extra for postage, from say America isn't really worth it....

 

I will still have look at it later when I feel like it. Thanks though..

[Zyndo]

2 minutes ago, socks&sandals said:

Get a cheaper 1070 cos the strix is probably the most expensive , but not the best . Go for the msi gaming x or one of evga's models

Contrary to the shockingly popular belief, there is nothing wrong with Asus GPU's. They are no better or worse by any significant margin than their competitors (obviously its no classified/kingpin or Xtreme Gaming, but its also not supposed to be as they're in different price brackets) Silicon lottery is still going to be more of a factor than who you buy from (specific models can sometimes have binning, but that is not applicable here) so just get whichever GPU tickles your fancy =)

[Zyndo]

2 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

That website is way overpriced?

 

use www.pcpartpicker.com 

looks like Canadian prices or Australian prices, not USD. We get jacked up a good 30-40% on shit nowadays =)

[DutchTexan]

Just now, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

Hi, was just wondering, because I live in Australia, and everything is overpriced, is that an Australian site? 


While I could find better deals and stuff, paying the extra for postage, from say America isn't really worth it....

Oh terribly sorry! Although, there should be a way to play with the algorithms for location and currency

 

Sorry, I am very blessed here :1

[DutchTexan]

@DarkenedNovaBlade The Outback 

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

@DutchTexan No problem, that is really the reason as to why I want to choose a store at least within Australia, because as I said, not worth paying the extra postage...... Although, I can see what you mean by PC Case Gear is overpriced. I especially found this out with postage, where something that would normally cost around $4 AUD to ship, they charge about $15.....

 

[socks&sandals]

4 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

Contrary to the shockingly popular belief, there is nothing wrong with Asus GPU's. They are no better or worse by any significant margin than their competitors (obviously its no classified/kingpin or Xtreme Gaming, but its also not supposed to be as they're in different price brackets) Silicon lottery is still going to be more of a factor than who you buy from (specific models can sometimes have binning, but that is not applicable here) so just get whichever GPU tickles your fancy =)

Yh but why should he pay like 20 bucks more for something that will most definitely not help him hit higher fps , he could allocate that money into a different part

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

@socks&sandals Pretty much... Really, with GPUs with such similar specs ETC, the only real reason to choose one is design, cooling method, size and budget.

[Zyndo]

Just now, socks&sandals said:

Yh but why should he pay like 20 bucks more for something that will most definitely not help him hit higher fps , he could allocate that money into a different part

Aesthetics? GPU based fan headers? Asus AURA? would be a real shame to skimp out on 20 bucks at the end of a 2500 dollar build just to go for "cheaper"

[Actuatedkarma]

8 minutes ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

Hi, was just wondering, because I live in Australia, and everything is overpriced, is that an Australian site? 


While I could find better deals and stuff, paying the extra for postage, from say America isn't really worth it....

 

I will still have look at it later when I feel like it. Thanks though..

Pccasegear is your best bet in regards to postages costs unless you're lucky at finding other deals from America. If you live in Victoria around Melbourne you could just go pick it up.

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

@Actuatedkarma Unfortunately, I don't live near Victoria, I am right up the top of Australia in Queensland, Mackay. The bad thing is there are no local PC stores where I live........

[DutchTexan]

1 minute ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

@DutchTexan No problem, that is really the reason as to why I want to choose a store at least within Australia, because as I said, not worth paying the extra postage...... Although, I can see what you mean by PC Case Gear is overpriced. I especially found this out with postage, where something that would normally cost around $4 AUD to ship, they charge about $15.....

 

Sorry, I took authority where I did not hold full understanding. Surely, you know better than I. I know when I shipped about 40lbs to family in South Africa it cost me almost $1,000 in shipping. I cant imagine how things would be shipping to an island :1

 

Also, the thing is pcpartpicker isnt a vendor, it simply finds places that sell the product and then shows you their respected price graph over time compared to other vendors/online stores. In my case there is only about 3 websites I would actually order products from. So, you're probably immediately exclude several options of sellers

 

BUT, tell me what you think about this:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JGDjc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JGDjc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($463.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GT 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($169.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($256.30 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($138.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($209.00 @ Centre Com) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($659.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  ($165.00 @ CPL Online) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Total: $2208.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-29 16:32 AEST+1000

 

It seems that website is actually reasonable pricing. It would be nice to order everything from the same place. That is what I tried my best to do with my first build I finished earlier this month. 

[DutchTexan]

11 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

looks like Canadian prices or Australian prices, not USD. We get jacked up a good 30-40% on shit nowadays =)

It's tough living down here. Gas is ALMOST $1.80 a gallon?! It's tough, man :1

[Zyndo]

2 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

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@DarkenedNovaBlade If we're up to talking about build changes, there are a few I would recommend. Get the Corsair H115i if you can (If its not horridly overpriced), its Corsairs most recent 280mm AIO. Get a Samsung 850 EVO instead of the 750 EVO. If you have a few bucks to spare it may even be worth looking at the Intel 512 GB 600p NVME M.2 drive instead. It has similar price but much faster speeds (especially when it comes to sequential writes, ~3.5x faster, and ~25% faster in IOPS.. .about the same in sequential writes). Get whichever GPU you want and like as that isn't really going to matter (I support you getting a strix if you want a strix. you can get anything else though, it really doesn't make much difference in pascal)

[Zyndo]

5 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

It's tough living down here. Gas is ALMOST $1.80 a gallon?! It's tough, man :1

is that pump price? you're looking about double that where I live (converted to CAD and Liters)

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

I probably should have mentioned that my budget is $2500 AUD...... Including postage

[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

I probably should have mentioned that my budget is $2500 AUD...... Including postage

none of what I mentioned should increase costs much at all (if any). if for some reason it is inflated to an unnatural extent on one of those components then don't bother. they were just suggestions in case you hadn't considered them and they happened to be equally affordable =)

[it_dont_work]

16 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

It's tough living down here. Gas is ALMOST $1.80 a gallon?! It's tough, man :1

Dude I'm in rural Victoria Aus, I pay $3.4USD a gallon after conversion and that's for the cheap stuff...

 

 

8 minutes ago, DarkenedNovaBlade said:

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Build looks good man, only thing with pccc to remember is if you don't direct debit them there's a 2.5% surcharge, and their prices aren't that much hire than other Aus retailers, msy and scorptec are about the same. use a little bit of tissue paper and the mobo fan control software to find out case pressure, the couple of fans you'll get with the case and the aio will be plenty.

 

You don't really need thermal paste, and maybe think of a 6600k instead of the i7, if your not regularly doing highly mult-ithreaded workloads you wont see a difference if you want to save a couple bucks for 2,500aud you could build a 1080 system.

 

EDIT: what I'd balance from your pccg list

 

remove the thermal paste

maybe put in a 6600k instead

get an 850 500gb evo over the 750 evo

[DarkenedNovaBlade]

Thanks for the suggestions, although I will be sticking to what I originally had.... Maybe just changing the GPU to an EVGA (Personal Choice) and the water cooler to the Corsair H115i.

This post was pretty much pointless...........