Laptop question

[Cl1362]

MSI GT62VR Dominator-027 

15.6 in laptop

60hz gsync 

128 SSD 1tb 7200 rpm

$1599

Or 

MSI GS73VR Stealth Pro-025

17.3 in laptop 

120Hz 5ms

256 SSD 1tb 5400 rpm

$1799

 

 

 

Thanks for the advice!!!

[Guest]

For a 200 more bucks you get more storage, higher refresh rate and higher monitor screen. Is that even a debate

[Kevin11]

bigger screen, faster refresh rates, bigger ssd? that's an easy choice if $100 isn't a big deal

[Pendragon]

4 minutes ago, Cl1362 said:

MSI GS73VR Stealth Pro-025

17.3 in laptop 

120Hz 5ms

256 SSD 1tb 5400 rpm

$1799

Absolutely trash. the 120hz "5ms" panel is by some Chinese piss poor Chi Mei brand. It's TN and it's 28ms GTG tested. Not the advertised 5ms. It's also hot and loud and the battery life is terrible.

 

4 minutes ago, Cl1362 said:

 

MSI GT62VR Dominator-027 

15.6 in laptop

60hz gsync 

128 SSD 1tb 7200 rpm

$1599

Decent. But for 1600 to 1800 dollars you can get something much better. 

15in 1070. https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8153-special-clevo-p650rs/?ex=1

17in 1070. https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8173-special-clevo-p670rs/?ex=1

 

Just now, dexxterlab97 said:

For a 200 more bucks you get more storage, higher refresh rate and higher monitor screen. Is that even a debate

No. Do your research into the panels. It's not as good as advertised. MSI be lying to everyone. It's also hot and reasonably loud at 50db. GT62VR is a much better pick. 

 

1 minute ago, Kevin11 said:

bigger screen, faster refresh rates, bigger ssd? that's an easy choice if $100 isn't a big deal

No. Same comment as above. Do your research into the actual panel. It's absolutely a joke. 

[Cl1362]

3 minutes ago, Kevin11 said:

bigger screen, faster refresh rates, bigger ssd? that's an easy choice if $100 isn't a big deal

 

5 minutes ago, dexxterlab97 said:

For a 200 more bucks you get more storage, higher refresh rate and higher monitor screen. Is that even a debate

Well I meant in regards of cooling as well the gt62vr is thicker better cooling

While the gs73vr is a bit louder 

No gsync 

And runs hotter 

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, Cl1362 said:

Well I meant in regards of cooling as well the gt62vr is thicker better cooling

While the gs73vr is a bit louder 

No gsync 

And runs hotter 

This is also all correct. Look at my comment for alternatives that are much better. All Pascal laptops suffer from terrible battery cause of the transition to GSync. Because manufacterers don't put in a MUX switch, laptops can't switch between GSync and Optimus. Because GSync requires the dGPU to be always on, battery life is shit. The Clevo's I recommended still have an MUX switch so you can't get around 5.5 hour of battery life around them. 

[Kevin11]

Is the razer blade significantly less of a product than the ones that are a few 100 more?

[Cl1362]

3 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

This is also all correct. Look at my comment for alternatives that are much better. All Pascal laptops suffer from terrible battery cause of the transition to GSync. Because manufacterers don't put in a MUX switch, laptops can't switch between GSync and Optimus. Because GSync requires the dGPU to be always on, battery life is shit. The Clevo's I recommended still have an MUX switch so you can't get around 5.5 hour of battery life around them. 

Better life isn't important as to I'm always by a power outlet.

But those two options are great! 

[Pendragon]

3 minutes ago, Kevin11 said:

Is the razer blade significantly less of a product than the ones that are a few 100 more?

Yes it is not even a product. The thing can't cool itself running a 60% utilization game aka Overwatch. It ramps to 95C+ throttles and goes to shit. It gets worse if you try to play Crysis or Witcher 3. Yes this is the new 1060 version.

[Pendragon]

1 minute ago, Cl1362 said:

Better life isn't important as to I'm always by a power outlet.

If battery life isn't important you can get something like a P750DM2 with a desktop 6700k. That's a true beast. Your budget isn't high enough to go to the i7 6700k + 1080 P775DM2 though. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

I'm thinking... Why does OP want a laptop if they're going to be near a plug most of the time? Portability?

 

If you're the kind of person who hangs out at other people's houses for gaming sessions I can see this being useful... otherwise I can't see lugging around a desktop replacement being useful elsewhere.

[Pendragon]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm thinking... Why does OP want a laptop if they're going to be near a plug most of the time? Portability?

Yea...pretty much. Pretty much any reason to get a DTR. Lots of people don't have space for a desktop. Or move around place to place. Or never stay at home like me cause my job. Having a desktop is pretty meaningless to me. There's plenty of reasons to get a DTR over a desktop and vice versa. If you go home, see your house every day, then by god unless your job requires you to move around with a mobile powerhouse a DTR is meaningless. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

I kind of question the whole need for a lot of space for a desktop. As a sort of experiment, my desktop is "portable" enough to get you something like this:

It requires only one plug. The computer itself will fit fine in a suitcase with enough room to spare. And it has some pretty hefty components in it. After running with this for over half a year (and having another mini-ITX system for two years before this) I'm convinced that most people don't need an ATX sized system.

 

Granted it's more clunky if you need to move around but hey, if I really wanted to, I can take this with me on airplanes.

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Granted it's more clunky if you need to move around but hey, if I really wanted to, I can take this with me on airplanes.

That's a pretty nice setup. But thing is, you can't work on it in a plane. Even with first class. It's still too much space that it takes up to be setup. Space can be optimized yes, I haven't used a desktop in years and it looks like sff looks pretty nice. But that's still a ton of components to unpack and setup. Sure it'll take maybe 10-15 minutes. But 10 minutes everytime is alot. If I needed to I could grab a P750DM2 and have a full functional i7 6700k + 1070 all running desktop speeds in a 15in form factor. It'll be usable on the go with 0 setup time. In the taxi, on a boat etc etc. 

 

The thing about laptops is simply usability on the go. I need to be able to pull out and start working in 0 setup time. That's where people who have high performance mobile needs would go. Otherwise, yes, there's no point in someone getting a laptop if they don't need the performance when mobile. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

6 hours ago, Pendragon said:

 But 10 minutes everytime is alot. If I needed to I could grab a P750DM2 and have a full functional i7 6700k + 1070 all running desktop speeds in a 15in form factor. It'll be usable on the go with 0 setup time. In the taxi, on a boat etc etc.

If you're on a battery, those components are going to be throttled to hell though. Using those components at their fullest will net you like 30 minutes of battery life at best.

 

I also see little point in putting a i7-6700K in a 15" laptop.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If you're on a battery, those components are going to be throttled to hell though. Using those components at their fullest will net you like 30 minutes of battery life at best.

 

I also see little point in putting a i7-6700K in a 15" laptop.

Depends on the laptop. UX501's 6-cell 96Wh battery can get you 3 hours of gaming with a 960M and i7 6700HQ. XPS 15's 84Wh version is around 2.5 hours

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Depends on the laptop. UX501's 6-cell 96Wh battery can get you 3 hours of gaming with a 960M and i7 6700HQ. XPS 15's 84Wh version is around 2.5 hours

The person I quoted was talking about using an i7-6700K and a GTX 1070. i.e., desktop components.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

The person I quoted was talking about using an i7-6700K and a GTX 1070. i.e., desktop components.

Oh, yeah. In that case, RiP battery. I can get close to 2 hours on a 64Wh battery with a throttled 970M

[Pendragon]

5 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I also see little point in putting a i7-6700K in a 15" laptop.

To run heavy computations from workplace to workplace. To set it up at the hotel and stream it's computations to lighter longer battery life devices like a T560 etc. etc. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

To run heavy computations from workplace to workplace. To set it up at the hotel and stream it's computations to lighter longer battery life devices like a T560 etc. etc. 

If I needed to do the former, I'd set up something that I could remote into. Even if that wasn't feasible, like if I were a media group and I needed to get footage from cameras edited and posted the day of, I still probably wouldn't use a DTR. Especially if I can get an editing tool that takes advantage of the GPU.

 

If I'm doing the latter, I could just bring something like my desktop anyway.

[Pendragon]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'd set up something that I could remote into

LOL, Clients are EXTREMELY iffy about your remoting into places not locally. Most of the times I need to setup the DTR in house and walk around with the T560 if I even want to remote in. Yea remoting internationally is a big no no. 

 

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

if I were a media group and I needed to get footage from cameras edited and posted the day of, I still probably wouldn't use a DTR

Linus brings big fat DTR's to the shows to edit video. Like those fat Sager ones that are 8 pounds with a desktop 980. Cause bringing a full desktop around for mobile use isn't very smart, and remoting while amazing has alot of issues. 

 

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If I'm doing the latter, I could just bring something like my desktop anyway.

Setting up desktops are incredibly unwieldy. They aren't meant to be moved around. The stress of unpacking and packing each time you need to move makes you want to kill yourself and ask yourself why you didn't bring a fat laptop. Considering most of the time it's being lugged in a suitcase from destination a - b and you're not actually carrying it.