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Nobody likes proprietary crap, the only person it benefits is it's owner.

There is one exception to this that is rare. And that is when the owner is the only one who can pull it off. If Nvidia was the only one with the pockets deep enough to make something as cool as PhysX happen (watch the Borderlands videos showing it off, when it is used right, it's very cool) then that would be fine as it would be a necessary evil for something cool to exist. 

However, that's not the case now.

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Mantle is also proprietary but it's the best chance of getting rid of that crap called DirectX.

 

Edit: Mantle will be widely available to other so, it's all good. :P

Atleast AMD took the iniciative to develop it, of course it benefits them but they did it because PC devs always wanted something like it. With the new consoles using AMD hardware it only makes sense for something like it.

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There is no Maxwell, but Kepler R3.0. If it was Maxwell it would be 20nm and that's impossible. We will MAYBE see a full unlocked Titan with 2880 CUDA cores with Quadro cababilities for $1000, 880 replacing the Titan without computing abilities for $650, 870 will have 1920 CUDA cores (AKA 770Ti) and the 860 might get more cores. Also it would be nice if top range had 4GB and 870 and bellow 3GB. But why would they do it I ask--they haven't yet completed the 700 lineup, we still don't see any 760Ti or 750. 

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Guys, TruAudio is a joke. Like seriously you buy it???

You're a joke that goes around flaming anything AMD related.

 

Have you tried TruAudio? Do you even understand what it means for gaming? I'm tired of dealing with asswipes like you.

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but visa versa. 

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You're a joke that goes around flaming anything AMD related.

Have you tried TruAudio? Do you even understand what it means for gaming? I'm tired of dealing with asswipes like you.

LOL! Never went around flaming. Only said it twice this week.

It's pretty basic to know that a soundcard will do what TruAudio does. Why so defensive anyway? There's no real reviews as well. Red team fanboi?

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LOL! Never went around flaming. Only said it twice this week.

It's pretty basic to know that a soundcard will do what TruAudio does. Why so defensive anyway? There's no real reviews as well. Red team fanboi?

Never owned an AMD card in my life, been with Nvidia up until the 680, AMD is pulling nice moves and seems the logical way to go for me at this moment.

 

Exactly, you don't know what True Audio is, it's not a soundcard.

 

"TrueAudio will enable gamers to hear hundreds of audio channels in the game, as well as immersive, directional audio that pull directional data directly from the game, from multi-speaker configurations down to two-speaker headphone setups."

”To bring professional-grade audio to the industry requires processor horsepower,” GenAudio CEO Jerry Mahabub said—not the CPU, but offloading it to the GPU. GenAudio focuses on 3D audio, but other developers are working on reverberation and spatial modeling, both keys to helping create a “true audio” experience. (Aureal Semiconductor pioneered HRTF positional sound several years ago, using dummy heads; Mahabub said GenAudio’s model is based on how the brain perceives sound, based on data collected from MRI scans.)"

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Never owned an AMD card in my life, been with Nvidia up until the 680, AMD is pulling nice moves and seems the logical way to go for me at this moment.

Exactly, you don't know what True Audio is, it's not a soundcard.

"TrueAudio will enable gamers to hear hundreds of audio channels in the game, as well as immersive, directional audio that pull directional data directly from the game, from multi-speaker configurations down to two-speaker headphone setups."

”To bring professional-grade audio to the industry requires processor horsepower,” GenAudio CEO Jerry Mahabub said—not the CPU, but offloading it to the GPU. GenAudio focuses on 3D audio, but other developers are working on reverberation and spatial modeling, both keys to helping create a “true audio” experience. (Aureal Semiconductor pioneered HRTF positional sound several years ago, using dummy heads; Mahabub said GenAudio’s model is based on how the brain perceives sound, based on data collected from MRI scans.)"

Never said TruAudio is a soundcard. I said its equivalent to a soundcard. I also agree AMD is doing a good job. Those lines u quoted, that's just marketing(to me at least). The fact that a DAC/amp cannot be implemented on a video card is tentamount to,"not a game changer" by any means.

Fair enough it is my opinion, so I will apologize for being slightly crude.

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I am so excited for the new gpu's next febuaryish I plan to buy a 860 and put it in my rig with a more quality psu. 

 

 

post any rumors in this thread. 

 

Code name maxwell nvidia's new gpu's should debut around Q1 2014

 

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I miss the days when you bought a next gen card it was like a 40% boost... sooo small it is now  :( and has been for years.

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I miss the days when you bought a next gen card it was like a 40% boost... sooo small it is now  :( and has been for years.

 

now everyone buys every 2 gens or so to get a similar boost 

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Never said TruAudio is a soundcard. I said its equivalent to a soundcard. I also agree AMD is doing a good job. Those lines u quoted, that's just marketing(to me at least). The fact that a DAC/amp cannot be implemented on a video card is tentamount to,"not a game changer" by any means.

Fair enough it is my opinion, so I will apologize for being slightly crude.

It's not equivalent to a soundcard, that is what i meant to say, it's a new way of coding game audio, it's a new algorithm, it's hardware based so now programmers can create way more complex audio in their games and not have to worry about CPU load like they did in the past. It will also be able to provide much better and richer surround audio, even for stereo headphones, it's going to be better than any of that gimmicky DOLBY virtual 7.1 surround bullshit that a lot of headphones and headsets have these days, this pulls the positional data right out of the game, right out of the code, it doesn't just virtualize it.

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It's not equivalent to a soundcard, that is what i meant to say, it's a new way of coding game audio, it's a new algorithm, it's hardware based so now programmers can create way more complex audio in their games and not have to worry about CPU load like they did in the past. It will also be able to provide much better and richer surround audio, even for stereo headphones, it's going to be better than any of that gimmicky DOLBY virtual 7.1 surround bullshit that a lot of headphones and headsets have these days, this pulls the positional data right out of the game, right out of the code, it doesn't just virtualize it.

Yeah, but let me put it this way. Soundcard vs TruAudio. Whose side u on? I'm on soundcard.

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Yeah, but let me put it this way. Soundcard vs TruAudio. Whose side u on? I'm on soundcard.

But they aren't opposed to each other because they don't do the same thing. 

TruAudio is Software and Hardware, but only hardware in that it offloads the Sound calculations to the GPU (apparently). A sound card doesn't do that, IIRC.

I guess we'd have to know exactly what a Sound Card does in regards to CPU calculations to compare them. But all I know is that TruAudio takes strain off of the CPU which is usually the bottleneck in higher end gaming systems. Then there's the cool agorithm stuff it does. 

I have a Sound card, but I would still get one even if I had TruAudio because I need it for various speakers (which a GPU doesn't have the ports for).

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Yeah, but let me put it this way. Soundcard vs TruAudio. Whose side u on? I'm on soundcard.

How fucking stubborn are you? What the hell do i have to tell you so that you understand that these are completely different things? True Audio does not replace a sound card.

 

It's not even out and you're already choosing sides? 

 

I give up talking to you, i see there's just no point.

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I guess we'd have to know exactly what a Sound Card does in regards to CPU calculations to compare them. But all I know is that TruAudio takes strain off of the CPU which is usually the bottleneck in higher end gaming systems. Then there's the cool agorithm stuff it does.

I've never seen prominent bottlenecks in sound modulation :o

Not to argue or anything, but do you have charts/sources to show? I'd actually like to know how much stress it puts on the CPU.

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I've never seen prominent bottlenecks in sound modulation :o

Not to argue or anything, but do you have charts/sources to show? I'd actually like to know how much stress it puts on the CPU.

Well, that's sort of the thing. What they are talking about is TruAudio's specific sound algorithm's affect on the CPU. No idea on that. It isn't out yet. Apparently it was big enough of a thing to dedicate half the GPU13 live stream to. We will see.

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How fucking stubborn are you? What the hell do i have to tell you so that you understand that these are completely different things? True Audio does not replace a sound card.

It's not even out and you're already choosing sides?

I give up talking to you, i see there's just no point.

Sorry I don't have the language comprehension of a vegetable.

Edit: stop behaving like a barbarian with those expletives.

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Sorry I don't have the language comprehension of a vegetable.

Edit: stop behaving like a barbarian with those expletives.

There's just certain things in life, like your behavior on these forums, that piss me off.

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