AMD zen

[Savage.exe]

You all think they will have ITX Motherboards for AMD zen, If so will they have 4 cores, 8 cores, or perhaps even 16 cores (I doubt it).

[TheRandomness]

They should do. There has been an 8C/16T Zen chip demonstrated, but 16 cores will probably be for servers and that kind of stuff.

[SnowyMus]

There's really no telling if that 8-core CPU will be sold for anything decently affordable. While AMD has sold 8-core processors in the past for under $200, if these CPUs are indeed as good as they're claiming, they could sell them for whatever they want, pretty much.

[Savage.exe]

Does anyone actually know when zen will come out?

[rn8686]

6 minutes ago, Savage.exe said:

You all think they will have ITX Motherboards for AMD zen, If so will they have 4 cores, 8 cores, or perhaps even 16 cores (I doubt it).

They would be losing a large portion of their market share if they dont have ITX motherboards, no reason for them not to. 16 cores will be for servers, but 4 and 8 will for for regular consumers. 

[rn8686]

2 minutes ago, Kavawuvi said:

There's really no telling if that 8-core CPU will be sold for anything decently affordable. While AMD has sold 8-core processors in the past for under $200, if these CPUs are indeed as good as they're claiming, they could sell them for whatever they want, pretty much.

They need to price it competitively under Intel or they wont have a chance, especially as they are only at the speed of haswell.  

[vorticalbox]

7 minutes ago, Kavawuvi said:

There's really no telling if that 8-core CPU will be sold for anything decently affordable. While AMD has sold 8-core processors in the past for under $200, if these CPUs are indeed as good as they're claiming, they could sell them for whatever they want, pretty much.

no they can't, what they need is to take a hit this time around and bring up their market share, small large sales does jot earn as much as lots of small ones.

 

that's the reason amd are hitting the thin client/laptop market as its big business.

[SnowyMus]

11 minutes ago, rn8686 said:

They need to price it competitively under Intel or they wont have a chance, especially as they are only at the speed of haswell.  

Again, if the rumors are true in whatever performance they're at, then they need only sell it for less than $1000 (the price of the i7-5960X) to beat it in terms of value.

 

7 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

no they can't, what they need is to take a hit this time around and bring up their market share, small large sales does jot earn as much as lots of small ones.

I never said that they shouldn't be trying to beat Intel. My point was that they may actually do something different, such as sell a quad core with SMT for around the price of an i5 before selling an 8-core processor for peanut prices.

[manikyath]

5 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

no they can't, what they need is to take a hit this time around and bring up their market share, small large sales does jot earn as much as lots of small ones.

 

that's the reason amd are hitting the thin client/laptop market as its big business.

If i'd have a guess, i'd expect the quad core zens to be in i5-i7 price range, and the octa cores to float somewhere in the intel extreme edition range.

 

If they manage to deliver a chip that is on par with haswell, their prices can be on par with haswell.

[rn8686]

1 minute ago, Kavawuvi said:

Again, if the rumors are true in whatever performance they're at, then they need only sell it for less than $1000 (the price of the i7-5960X) to beat it in terms of value.

 

I never said that they shouldn't be trying to beat Intel. My point was that they may actually do something different, such as sell a quad core with SMT for around the price of an i5 before selling an 8-core processor for peanut prices.

That will be true for the larger enthusiast CPU with many cores, but for regular consumer CPUs with 4/6 cores, they need to undercut Intel.

[mariushm]

There will be ITX and other format motherboards, because there even less chips required on motherboards with the AM4. 

 

On AM4 motherboards, a "basic" chipset (a few sata, a few usb ports, a few something else) is built inside the processors and an optional chipset can be added but it's not required, and the AM4 sockets also have pins for integrated video.

So technically, only the socket AM4 and some ram slots and the VRM for cpu is all that's needed to make a motherboard

 

There's going to be processors on socket AM4 that aren't based on Zen, and those will have integrated graphics. There's gonna be a current 28nm processor (with slight changes to support DDR4) on socket AM4  and there's gonna be a pre-Zen processor ported from 28nm down to 14nm and there's going to be Zen which will have 4 cores and 8 cores models.

 

[manikyath]

5 minutes ago, mariushm said:

There will be ITX and other format motherboards, because there even less chips required on motherboards with the AM4. 

 

On AM4 motherboards, a "basic" chipset (a few sata, a few usb ports, a few something else) is built inside the processors and an optional chipset can be added but it's not required, and the AM4 sockets also have pins for integrated video.

So technically, only the socket AM4 and some ram slots and the VRM for cpu is all that's needed to make a motherboard

 

There's going to be processors on socket AM4 that aren't based on Zen, and those will have integrated graphics. There's gonna be a current 28nm processor (with slight changes to support DDR4) on socket AM4  and there's gonna be a pre-Zen processor ported from 28nm down to 14nm and there's going to be Zen which will have 4 cores and 8 cores models.

 

Which leaves a lot of mobo room for RGB.. Whichever god you believe in, pray to him/her/it to save us...