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Hello! The reason why I came here and not to ASUS directly is because their system is down for some reason (at least for me, I don't know about you guys).  I have the Asus x99 Sabertooth TUF Motherboard and I've seen people use the Ai Suite on a variety of ASUS motherboards.  I downloaded it planning the use the Logical Processors to auto-overclock my CPU and RAM (Since I have no experience with OC CPUs and RAM).  But I can't seem to find the Logical Processors "page" on the Ai Suite software... Anyone have knowledge/experience/information on this topic?

 

My rig:

5930k

2 x 1080s

64GB RAM 2400Mhz

HX1000i from Corsair (PSU)

It's all custom loop water cooled so no thermal issues.

 

Thanks!

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Logical Processors is how many "cores" your CPU have, how does it have anything to do with auto-overclocking?

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2 minutes ago, Josh_Galsky said:

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You click on the 5 way optimization at the top to configure your setup for auto overclock but in general though it's not recommended to use the auto overclock settings as they aren't very good, most times they put way to much voltage or very little overclock, you would be better off to dial it in manually. 

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Just now, W-L said:

You click on the 5 way optimization at the top to configure your setup for auto overclock but in general though it's not recommended to use the auto overclock settings as they aren't very good, most times they put way to much voltage or very little overclock, you would be better off to dial it in manually. 

Where on the top? I've never over-clocked a CPU ever... I've seen guides but I'm a stay safe player and I';ve seen that the Logical processors doesn't bring everything to the limit but a little under to avoid destroying processors.

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1 minute ago, Josh_Galsky said:

Where on the top? I've never over-clocked a CPU ever... I've seen guides but I'm a stay safe player and I';ve seen that the Logical processors doesn't bring everything to the limit but a little under to avoid destroying processors.

It would be better to manually overclock then as auto overclocks do push voltage more than they need to. As for the auto-overclook setup you would go to 5 way optimzations on the top left. However it seems like the TUF series doesn't use the standard AI suite layout so it may not be an option, so it would probably be in the BIOS directly.  

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1 minute ago, W-L said:

It would be better to manually overclock then as auto overclocks do push voltage more than they need to. As for the auto-overclook setup you would go to 5 way optimzations on the top left. However it seems like the TUF series doesn't use the standard AI suite layout so it may not be an option, so it would probably be in the BIOS directly.  

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Yeah... My Ai Suite does not look like that... I'm going to have to manually OC my CPU... Fuck.. I'm not comfortable doing it at all...

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1 minute ago, Josh_Galsky said:

Yeah... My Ai Suite does not look like that... I'm going to have to manually OC my CPU... Fuck.. I'm not comfortable doing it at all...

Manually overclocking isn't very hard as long as your sticking to the basics, best would be to find some known standards or regular overclock that your CPU is easily capable of and going from there doing some quick stress tests.

 

Best way would be to start raising your CPU multiplier and running some quick 20mins stress tests to see if it's stable in the short term, you would keep raising the multiplier and testing between each time until it crashes. From there you can either raise voltages to sustain higher clock speeds for more overclocks, just keep an eye on temps to keep with below 85C. This should also help:

 

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1 minute ago, W-L said:

Manually overclocking isn't very hard as long as your sticking to the basics, best would be to find some known standards or regular overclock that your CPU is easily capable of and going from there doing some quick stress tests.

 

Best way would be to start raising your CPU multiplier and running some quick 20mins stress tests to see if it's stable in the short term, you would keep raising the multiplier and testing between each time until it crashes. From there you can either raise voltages to sustain higher clock speeds for more overclocks, just keep an eye on temps to keep with below 85C. This should also help:

 

Thanks! As I said before, thermals are not a problem, so one less factor to look over :)

 

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Thermals are always a concern.  :D   Especially with Haswell-E and Broadwell-E CPUs.

Yeah I know... at stock, with the custom loop I have I hover arround 25-28 C on the CPU, so I don't think it'll over heat :P

 

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1 minute ago, Josh_Galsky said:

Yeah I know... at stock, with the custom loop I have I hover arround 25-28 C on the CPU, so I don't think it'll over heat :P

I've hit the thermal limit, 100C on a 4790K with a custom loop, they can get quite toasty when you really push voltages so it's best to keep an eye on it if your going to massive overclocks. That being said you will want to try and stay at <1.3V which is a pretty safe voltage for haswell. 

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1 minute ago, Josh_Galsky said:

Yeah I know... at stock, with the custom loop I have I hover arround 25-28 C on the CPU, so I don't think it'll over heat :P

 

 

During your overclock, you're going to need to hit your CPU with a heavy load to verify the stability.  That same load will cause even your stock temps to climb higher than the 25-28c you mentioned.  Just keep that in mind as you add voltage as you'll quickly sneak up on unsafe temps with 6 or 8 core Intel chips.

 

In my case, I'm cooling two more cores than you and have a fairly ridiculous sized custom loop (see sig).  At the end of the day, it still boils down to how much heat that water block can pull off of that CPU's IHS.  I'm able to get away with a lot more voltage than most, but I still watch temps very closely.

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Just now, Josh_Galsky said:

Lol, he probably uses somthing like liquid nitrogen or something :0

 

 

Ha.

 

It was a joke and I was talking about me.  I just use water, but like I previously mentioned, I get away with considerably more voltage than most.  I do watch temps closely.

 

To add to the general 1.3v rule that @W-L spoke of, it's recommended that you start there to see what kind of chip your dealing with.  I'm sure that your loop can handle the thermal load, but verify it before you go too far.  As a general rule for Haswell-E and based on the findings of the geniuses over at Asus, 4.4 @ 1.3 = slightly below average, 4.5 @ 1.3 = average, and 4.6 at 1.3 is above average.  Those guys tested hundreds of chips before and just after the release of Haswell-E so I consider their results to be more than accurate.

 

If you decide to take on the manual overclock yourself, just start a thread and I'm positive that you'll have tons of help in no time.

 

Good luck and enjoy that rig!

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13 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Ha.

 

It was a joke and I was talking about me.  I just use water, but like I previously mentioned, I get away with considerably more voltage than most.  I do watch temps closely.

 

To add to the general 1.3v rule that @W-L spoke of, it's recommended that you start there to see what kind of chip your dealing with.  I'm sure that your loop can handle the thermal load, but verify it before you go too far.  As a general rule for Haswell-E and based on the findings of the geniuses over at Asus, 4.4 @ 1.3 = slightly below average, 4.5 @ 1.3 = average, and 4.6 at 1.3 is above average.  Those guys tested hundreds of chips before and just after the release of Haswell-E so I consider their results to be more than accurate.

 

If you decide to take on the manual overclock yourself, just start a thread and I'm positive that you'll have tons of help in no time.

 

Good luck and enjoy that rig!

Lol! This is another account I have on my other computer, I am currently stress testing my CPU at 4.3 GHz not passing 75C 

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Just now, JGalsky said:

Prime95

 

Go big, right?  :D

 

I personally don't use it, but it's still a valid testing method for a lot of folks.

 

In the last few years, I've switch to using several different tests instead of just one for a really long time.  Now I generally run a combination of OCCT, RealBench Stress Test, AIDA64, and Intel XTU Stress Test for no less than 1 hour each.  I follow that up with some encoding for several hours and some gaming.  I've found that hitting the CPU with different loads is a lot more dependable than running any one test for a long duration. 

 

Stability is completely subjective so use whatever makes you comfortable.  You're overclock only needs to be as stable as you need it to be.  

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Go big, right?  :D

 

I personally don't use it, but it's still a valid testing method for a lot of folks.

 

In the last few years, I've switch to using several different tests instead of just one for a really long time.  Now I generally run a combination of OCCT, RealBench Stress Test, AIDA64, and Intel XTU Stress Test for no less than 1 hour each.  I follow that up with some encoding for several hours and some gaming.  I've found that hitting the CPU with different loads is a lot more dependable than running any one test for a long duration. 

 

Stability is completely subjective so use whatever makes you comfortable.  You're overclock only needs to be as stable as you need it to be.  

I saw that Linus mentioned that Prime95 isin't too good, so I'm switching to RealBench ATM

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7 minutes ago, JGalsky said:

I saw that Linus mentioned that Prime95 isin't too good, so I'm switching to RealBench ATM

 

Prime95 is still good if you use it just right.  With that said, if you aren't too familiar with it, it's best to stay away.  With HWE and BWE chips, the issue bigger than temps generated Prime95 is the power pushed through the chip as a results of the load generated by Prime95.

 

The snip below is straight from the Asus HWE OC guide.  That's a metric shit ton of power flowing through a chip!!  

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

Prime95 is still good if you use it just right.  With that said, if you aren't too familiar with it, it's best to stay away.  With HWE and BWE chips, the issue bigger than temps generated Prime95 is the power pushed through the chip as a results of the load generated by Prime95.

 

The snip below is straight from the Asus HWE OC guide.  That's a metric shit ton of power flowing through a chip!!  

 

 

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Yeah, the RB stress test hasn't exceed over 60C...

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