So about AmdZen

[DAnewguy]

They said 40% increase in performace but did they mean over older amd cpus or over Intel cpus (core based cpus no xeon and so on)

What do you think or know??

[AresKrieger]

2 minutes ago, DAnewguy said:

They said 40% increase in performace but did they mean over older amd cpus or over Intel cpus (core based cpus no xeon and so on)

What do you think or know??

It's compared to older amd cpus, specifically the am3+ line also know as piledriver

[HKZeroFive]

*40% increase in IPC over AMD's Excavator IIRC. People have been speculating it to have performance ranging from Sandy Bridge all the way to Haswell. We'll have to sit tight and see how it turns out.

[Djole123]

4 minutes ago, DAnewguy said:

They said 40% increase in performace but did they mean over older amd cpus or over Intel cpus (core based cpus no xeon and so on)

What do you think or know??

Over Piledriver. Pretty much the math is this:

Ivy Bridge<Zen<Haswell

[Jon Jon]

Just now, Djole123 said:

Over Piledriver. Pretty much the math is this:

Ivy Bridge<Zen<Haswell

If this holds true and they can kill it with over clock ability and lower cost in comparison to Skylake, then they'll have a winner here.

 

I'd gladly upgrade to an 8/16 Zen if the cost of the platform was $100~ less than going with a Skylake 6700k

[DAnewguy]

1 minute ago, Djole123 said:

Over Piledriver. Pretty much the math is this:

Ivy Bridge<Zen<Haswell

So is skylake i7 6700k better based on information we got now??

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

Over Piledriver. Pretty much the math is this:

Ivy Bridge<Zen<Haswell

no, its over excavator.

[don_svetlio]

3 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

Over Piledriver. Pretty much the math is this:

Ivy Bridge<Zen<Haswell

If we use DDR3. Factor in DDR4 and Zen may pull out ahead. DF did a test on DDR3 vs DDR4 and there was a 10% difference IIRC

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, DAnewguy said:

So is skylake i7 6700k better based on information we got now??

Single core performance-wise, I'd say extremely likely. I don't see AMD putting out something that'll rival Skylake.

[DAnewguy]

Just now, herman mcpootis said:

no, its over excavator.

Sry but what is excavator sry a bit new to pc

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, DAnewguy said:

Sry but what is excavator sry a bit new to pc

AMD's 4th gen bulldozer architecture IIRC.

[DAnewguy]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

If we use DDR3. Factor in DDR4 and Zen may pull out ahead. DF did a test on DDR3 vs DDR4 and there was a 10% difference IIRC

IIRC what does it stand for???

[don_svetlio]

Just now, DAnewguy said:

IIRC what does it stand for???

If I recall/remember/recollect correctly

[Coaxialgamer]

Its a 40% IPC improvement over excavator.  You have to remember that IPC != performance.  If zen has a 40% ipc improvement,  but can only run at 3ghz,  this won't help much

[DAnewguy]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

Its a 40% IPC improvement over excavator.  You have to remember that IPC != performance.  If zen has a 40% ipc improvement,  but can only run at 3ghz,  this won't help much

Well that's true

[don_svetlio]

10 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Its a 40% IPC improvement over excavator.  You have to remember that IPC != performance.  If zen has a 40% ipc improvement,  but can only run at 3ghz,  this won't help much

Then again. We have 8-cores and 16-thread confirmed

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Its a 40% IPC improvement over excavator.  You have to remember that IPC != performance.  If zen has a 40% ipc improvement,  but can only run at 3ghz,  this won't help much

It will have a low clock speed out of the box, 2.8 GHz turbo'ing to 3.2 GHz according to this:

 

 

Obviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.

 

But, I do think you'll have to OC them to be competitive with haswell IPC, but you'll also have more cores. So overall, it should be fairly competitive. 

 

4 core variant ~= lock i5

8core variant ~= x99

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, Alexokan said:

It will have a low clock speed out of the box, 2.8 GHz turbo'ing to 3.2 GHz according to this:

 

 

Obviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.

 

But, I do think you'll have to OC them to be competitive with haswell IPC, but you'll also have more cores. So overall, it should be fairly competitive. 

These are engineering samples,  ao they are subject to change  when skylake engineering samples were leaked they ran at 2.5ghz

[Djole123]

36 minutes ago, DAnewguy said:

So is skylake i7 6700k better based on information we got now??

Of course.

[Guest]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

These are engineering samples,  ao they are subject to change  when skylake engineering samples were leaked they ran at 2.5ghz

Not sure if you didn't read the post.. 

 

Anyways, comparing how Intel does things to AMD holds no water either

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Alexokan said:

Not sure if you didn't read the post.. 

 

Anyways, comparing how Intel does things to AMD holds no water either

True,  but engineering samples from both sides are generally underclocked

[DAnewguy]

9 hours ago, Alexokan said:

It will have a low clock speed out of the box, 2.8 GHz turbo'ing to 3.2 GHz according to this:

 

 

Obviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.

 

But, I do think you'll have to OC them to be competitive with haswell IPC, but you'll also have more cores. So overall, it should be fairly competitive. 

 

4 core variant ~= lock i5

8core variant ~= x99

I mean good for a workstation if you are a youtuber and want a bit cheaper one