do i really have to (help)

[kerbie_36]

i was planing to build my first pc and i was planing to put a cooler master seidon 120v plus for the AMD KAVERI A10 7700K (i am on a budget) i have no plan on overclocking it do i still need it or should i just use the stock cooler or should i buy something else (i live at a 34 celsius or 93.2 fahrenheit yes its like living in a oven)

 

thanks in advance 

[DevilishBooster]

No, you don't have to, but if you live with an ambient air temp that high I would strongly suggest using the Seidon AIO. Stock coolers don't work for shit, and unless it's one of AMD's new Wraith coolers then it's going to sound like a turbojet with trying to cool an APU at those temps. If you can afford it, I would actually recommend stepping up to a 240mm AIO since you're using an APU.

[CostcoSamples]

Get the A10 7890k instead, it is the newest APU and they have started including an upgraded cooler that works much better.  The price difference is not very big (maybe $10 to $20).

 

If you already own the 7700k, go ahead and try the stock cooler.  I expect it will run at very high fan speed in your hot climate, so keep an eye on temperatures and see what you get.  If temps get too high it will automatically throttle the clock speeds to keep temps below 90 degrees C.   If that happens, you definitely need to upgrade your cooler.

[DrM]

it doesnt hurt to try it with stock first. then if temps get too high, then you can just get an aftermarket cooler.

3 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

keep temps below 90 degrees C

pretty sure thats just intel. we're talking 28nm here, so max operating temp is 72.4C

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-7700K.html

[don_svetlio]

8 minutes ago, DevilishBooster said:

No, you don't have to, but if you live with an ambient air temp that high I would strongly suggest using the Seidon AIO. Stock coolers don't work for shit, and unless it's one of AMD's new Wraith coolers then it's going to sound like a turbojet with trying to cool and APU at those temps. If you can afford it, I would actually recommend stepping up to a 240mm AIO since you're using an APU.

A 240mm AIO for a 60W CPU? Do you even hear yourself?

[CostcoSamples]

1 minute ago, DrM said:

 

pretty sure thats just intel. we're talking 28nm here, so max operating temp is 72.4C

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-7700K.html

Oh wow max of 72.4?!?  yeah that stock cooler is going to sound like a hair dryer! 

[don_svetlio]

3 minutes ago, DrM said:

it doesnt hurt to try it with stock first. then if temps get too high, then you can just get an aftermarket cooler.

pretty sure thats just intel. we're talking 28nm here, so max operating temp is 72.4C

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-7700K.html

Process is not the reason. It's the socket type

 

1 minute ago, CostcoSamples said:

Oh wow max of 72.4?!?  yeah that stock cooler is going to sound like a hair dryer! 

LGA sockets can handle higher temps thus intel use cheap TIM on their processors. AMD's CPUs are soldered and have superior heat transfer capability. The stock cooler should already be achieving 74*C max.

[arnavvr]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Process is not the reason. It's the socket type

 

LGA sockets can handle higher temps thus intel use cheap TIM on their processors. AMD's CPUs are soldered and have superior heat transfer capability. The stock cooler should already be achieving 74*C max.

Intel only uses cheap TIM on their consumer line of CPUS, Enthusiast Line is Soldered

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

Intel only uses cheap TIM on their consumer line of CPUS, Enthusiast Line is Soldered

Honestly, considering even the FX4100 is soldered, Intel's way of doing things is frankly insulting for the amount we pay.

[DevilishBooster]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

A 240mm AIO for a 60W CPU? Do you even hear yourself?

Given the max safe temp for that chip and the fact that his ambient air temps are so high, yes I do hear myself. And you will also note that I said, "if you have the money". I am looking at it from a viewpoint of "best performance and lowest temps", so having a more efficient method of directing the heat away from the chip/socket is ideal. The OP didn't give any specific parameters so I was just giving my opinion. Also, as with any water cooling, the recommended application is one 120mm rad per component + one extra 120mm rad for overhead. I know that he said that he's not going to be OCing it right now, but by getting a 240mm AIO (if he can afford it) he will have the extra overhead to try OCing in the future if he wants. So untwist your panties, take a chill pill, and just contribute some constructive discourse to the conversation. I am always willing to explain my reasoning.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, DevilishBooster said:

Given the max safe temp for that chip and the fact that his ambient air temps are so high, yes I do hear myself. And you will also note that I said, "if you have the money". I am looking at it from a viewpoint of "best performance and lowest temps", so having a more efficient method of directing the heat away from the chip/socket is ideal. The OP didn't give any specific parameters so I was just giving my opinion. Also, as with any water cooling, the recommended application is one 120mm rad per component + one extra 120mm rad for overhead. I know that he said that he's not going to be OCing it right now, but by getting a 240mm AIO (if he can afford it) he will have the extra overhead to try OCing in the future if he wants. So untwist your panties, take a chill pill, and just contribute some constructive discourse to the conversation. I am always willing to explain my reasoning.

Even a simple 212 EVO would keep that CPU well away from Tjmax though.

[DevilishBooster]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Even a simple 212 EVO would keep that CPU well away from Tjmax though.

Some people don't like to have to listen to the fan speeds involved with air cooling. I am one of them and, given that the OP is already considering the 120 Seidon for the 7700k, I am guessing that they are the same way. By using an AIO on a lower powered chip like they are getting it would allow them to maintain a significantly lower fan speed while having the same if not better cooling than with an aftermarket air cooler, even when under a full system load.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, DevilishBooster said:

Some people don't like to have to listen to the fan speeds involved with air cooling. I am one of them and, given that the OP is already considering the 120 Seidon for the 7700k, I am guessing that they are the same way. By using an AIO on a lower powered chip like they are getting it would allow them to maintain a significantly lower fan speed while having the same if not better cooling than with an aftermarket air cooler, even when under a full system load.

Or he could save 100$ and just get a FDB fan and have the exact same noise level. Again - there are cheap sleeve fans and good DBB or FDB fans

[DevilishBooster]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Or he could save 100$ and just get a FDB fan and have the exact same noise level. Again - there are cheap sleeve fans and good DBB or FDB fans

Yes, you are correct that they are out there, but the bearing style of a fan isn't the only thing that produces noise. A huge contribution is the actual fan blades themselves and the speed that they move the air. If you take the exact same fans, place two on a tower air cooler and 2 on a 240mm AIO, the AIO will most likely be the quieter cooling solution with normal workloads because the fans won't have to spin up as fast as they will with the tower air cooler.

So, instead of attacking other people's suggestions, how about you address the OP directly and provide some links to the products you would recommend. Who knows, I may even end up agreeing with your selection over my own. Right now all you are doing is inciting tensions into a thread that started out just fine. 

[maulemall]

I was talking about this with my brother yesterday. I told him flat out that if he got ANY new cpu/apu it was foolish to not liquid cool it. Especially when they are so inexpensive compared to the insurance you get..

Dude can spend $55/$60 bucks and there you go.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008008 8000&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&PageSize=90

 

Bro decided on this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181099&ignorebbr=1

 

 

[Unhelpful]

2 minutes ago, maulemall said:

I was talking about this with my brother yesterday. I told him flat out that if he got ANY new cpu/apu it was foolish to not liquid cool it. Especially when they are so inexpensive compared to the insurance you get..

Dude can spend $55/$60 bucks and there you go.

 

 

At $55-$60 you're better off air cooling.

[Unhelpful]

3 minutes ago, maulemall said:

I was talking about this with my brother yesterday. I told him flat out that if he got ANY new cpu/apu it was foolish to not liquid cool it. Especially when they are so inexpensive compared to the insurance you get..

Dude can spend $55/$60 bucks and there you go.

Marking it as funny doesn't make you right.

[maulemall]

2 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

You were wrong. at $55-$60 you're better off air cooling.

Really? Well you just convinced me with that logic...

[Unhelpful]

1 minute ago, maulemall said:

Really? Well you just convinced me with that logic...

Sorry, on phone with AT&T atm, will come back here shortly.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, maulemall said:

Really? Well you just convinced me with that logic...

55$ can only get you a bucket of water dumped on your and a dunce cap. Get a good air-cooler for 40$ and call it a day

[maulemall]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

55$ can only get you a bucket of water dumped on your and a dunce cap. Get a good air-cooler for 40$ and call it a day

you saying that you get better ,quieter  and more consistent cooling air compared to this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181029&ignorebbr=1

 

You're gonna have to show some numbers

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, maulemall said:

you saying that you get better ,quieter  and more consistent cooling air compared to this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181029&ignorebbr=1

 

You're gonna have to show some numbers

Yes
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9PV3Y61192&cm_re=Noctua-_-35-608-040-_-Product

[Unhelpful]

3 minutes ago, maulemall said:

you saying that you get better ,quieter  and more consistent cooling air compared to this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181029&ignorebbr=1

 

You're gonna have to show some numbers

The old thought of "water cooling is always better" is something only shared by PC noobs taking their first steps.

[maulemall]

2 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

The old thought of "water cooling is always better" is something only shared by PC noobs taking their first steps.

 

PC NOOBS taking their first steps...

Thanks kid.

 

 

[CostcoSamples]

The guy said he's on a tight budget.  Like I said, the cheapest solution is to get the A10 7890k which comes with the wraith cooler.  No added cost and it will probably work fine.  If it's not working because ambient temps are insane, he can consider a 212 EVO which will be the best value.  

 

liquid cooling is not good value.