macbook pro vs air?

[terrytek]

so i'm actually kinda in the market for a macbook soon (don't blegh me i like the macbook's build quality and good power too, though overpriced as it is), and the two main choices i have for a macbook is either the pro or the air. the 12 inch one is out of the question because even though it's beautifully thin, it just lacks power. i kinda want the macbook pro, because (relative to the 15 inch model) it's got very good power in the lineup, and it does feel solid, and it does pack a punch for portability, 9 hours out of such a powerful macbook is quite impressive. however, my friend, who has a macbook air, says that the pro "sucks complete ass". like she absolutely talked shit about the pro, even though its way more powerful than her air. i find that pure bullshit because 1) it's more powerful than her air, and 2) it's got newer hardware and a sharper screen. but i'm kinda leaning towards the air, because maybe she could be right and the experience could be suckish on the macbook pro, plus its much cheaper. however, i doubt my experience with the pro would be crap, and besides, if it is crap, then i can just return it and use the money for a macbook pro, or just say fuck it and get a windows laptop, right? so what would be better for a power user like me, a pro or an air?

[spartaman64]

macbooks and lots of apple products feel solid and look solid but actually have pretty poor build quality and design choices but i would choose the pro over the air considering the air havent gotten an update in a while now

[terrytek]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

macbooks and lots of apple products feel solid and look solid but actually have pretty poor build quality and design choices but i would choose the pro over the air

huh i didn't realize some people would think they have poor quality. i thought they were pretty solidly built. and even though i like the thinness of the air, hardware wise it might not cut it for me

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, terrytek said:

huh i didn't realize some people would think they have poor quality. i thought they were pretty solidly built. and even though i like the thinness of the air, hardware wise it might not cut it for me

the hinge design puts all the stress on a small fragile piece of metal and many of them the power button is connected to the keyboard so if the keyboard fails you cant plug a usb one in and keep using it because it wont turn on

[terrytek]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

the hinge design puts all the stress on a small fragile piece of metal and many of them the power button is connected to the keyboard so if the keyboard fails you cant plug a usb one in and keep using it because it wont turn on

yeah i kinda knew that would be a pain if the keyboard goes out. i missed when apple had a physical power button on their macbooks.

[daniielrp]

6 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

macbooks and lots of apple products feel solid and look solid but actually have pretty poor build quality and design choices but i would choose the pro over the air considering the air havent gotten an update in a while now

Hahahaha poor build quality cool story bro.

 

8 minutes ago, terrytek said:

so i'm actually kinda in the market for a macbook soon (don't blegh me i like the macbook's build quality and good power too, though overpriced as it is), and the two main choices i have for a macbook is either the pro or the air. the 12 inch one is out of the question because even though it's beautifully thin, it just lacks power. i kinda want the macbook pro, because (relative to the 15 inch model) it's got very good power in the lineup, and it does feel solid, and it does pack a punch for portability, 9 hours out of such a powerful macbook is quite impressive. however, my friend, who has a macbook air, says that the pro "sucks complete ass". like she absolutely talked shit about the pro, even though its way more powerful than her air. i find that pure bullshit because 1) it's more powerful than her air, and 2) it's got newer hardware and a sharper screen. but i'm kinda leaning towards the air, because maybe she could be right and the experience could be suckish on the macbook pro, plus its much cheaper. however, i doubt my experience with the pro would be crap, and besides, if it is crap, then i can just return it and use the money for a macbook pro, or just say fuck it and get a windows laptop, right? so what would be better for a power user like me, a pro or an air?

 

There is no reason to get an air. The pro is faster, has more connectivity and better screen and touchpad. It is also smaller (13" anyway) than the Air, though the Air is thinner.

[spartaman64]

7 minutes ago, daniielrp said:

Hahahaha poor build quality cool story bro.

 

 

There is no reason to get an air. The pro is faster, has more connectivity and better screen and touchpad. It is also smaller (13" anyway) than the Air, though the Air is thinner.

look above at my previous post. just because its aluminum doesnt mean it is durable. also if you open it up you will find some of the soldering work is abysmal 

[Peepnbrick]

I have the air, and I see people at school with the pro, and I just want the pro instead. Not because it's more powerful - the most power intensive thing I do on my air is play minecraft once every 6 months. What I really want from the pro that I don't have with the air is that beautiful screen, both the retina display, and the fact that the glass extends all the way to the edge of the laptop with a smaller bezel - the bezel on the air is kinda ugly. I also want the HDMI port on the pro, which the air doesn't have, along with all of the other ports that the pro has over the air.

 

Additionally, I really like the look of the pro over the air. Though the air is beautifully thin, I like the rounded rectangle shape of the pro - I prefer the straight design rather than that taper that allows the air to be thinner.

 

These are small things that might not justify an extra $300 for the pro - but more ports and more powerful might be more important to you, in which case you have an even stronger argument to get the pro than I would.

 

As a side note, it's *possible* that Apple might release new macbooks this fall, since they're pretty long overdue. Sometimes they hold an October event in addition to their September events. I haven't been reading the rumors, but I just wanted to let you know.

[Castdeath97]

The pro is the better choice for me. It had gotten light enough to an extent that's good enough and offers extra connective, more power and the better screen by miles. Of course I would recommend waiting for the refresh by the end of the year. 

[Hackentosher]

I'd get the mac book pro retina for the extra horse power. Also, both options are pretty light making portability a breeze especially if you are used to carrying around a solid 10Kg+ in your backpack. Depending on your usage, either the air or the pro retina could be optimal for you.

 

mac book air: casual browsing, word processing, social networking stuff and things, fucking around on ltt, etc

mbpr: anything even slightly more intense than the loads listed above.

 

Your friend here is spewing bull shit, the experience wont be much different. The only difference you might notice is the battery life and lower screen resolution. Although, something else on the windows side of things might be a better deal for the hardware. Speaking of hardware, updated hardware... Anyway that's my two cents on the matter.

 

TLDR, get the pro retina, preferably the model with a discrete GPU for extra performance.

[Kobathor]

14 minutes ago, terrytek said:

huh i didn't realize some people would think they have poor quality. i thought they were pretty solidly built. and even though i like the thinness of the air, hardware wise it might not cut it for me

Watch some of Louis Rossmann's videos on Macbooks. They look very pretty, but the actual design is very mediocre. Lots of parts break very quickly. The parts throttle like no other. They don't last too long.

[terrytek]

2 minutes ago, Peepnbrick said:

I have the air, and I see people at school with the pro, and I just want the pro instead. Not because it's more powerful - the most power intensive thing I do on my air is play minecraft once every 6 months. What I really want from the pro that I don't have with the air is that beautiful screen, both the retina display, and the fact that the glass extends all the way to the edge of the laptop with a smaller bezel - the bezel on the air is kinda ugly. I also want the HDMI port on the pro, which the air doesn't have, along with all of the other ports that the pro has over the air.

 

Additionally, I really like the look of the pro over the air. Though the air is beautifully thin, I like the rounded rectangle shape of the pro - I prefer the straight design rather than that taper that allows the air to be thinner.

 

These are small things that might not justify an extra $300 for the pro - but more ports and more powerful might be more important to you, in which case you have an even stronger argument to get the pro than I would.

 

As a side note, it's *possible* that Apple might release new macbooks this fall, since they're pretty long overdue. Sometimes they hold an October event in addition to their September events. I haven't been reading the rumors, but I just wanted to let you know.

i like extra ports, especially hdmi, so i can plug in an external monitor. but i agree, the pro does look beautiful, though its baby brother air does look nice too.

 

i think i'll wait for a while, till i can cough up 2 grand for a macbook pro, and by then i think the new ones might be out.

3 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

I'd get the mac book pro retina for the extra horse power. Also, both options are pretty light making portability a breeze especially if you are used to carrying around a solid 10Kg+ in your backpack. Depending on your usage, either the air or the pro retina could be optimal for you.

 

mac book air: casual browsing, word processing, social networking stuff and things, fucking around on ltt, etc

mbpr: anything even slightly more intense than the loads listed above.

 

Your friend here is spewing bull shit, the experience wont be much different. The only difference you might notice is the battery life and lower screen resolution. Although, something else on the windows side of things might be a better deal for the hardware. Speaking of hardware, updated hardware... Anyway that's my two cents on the matter.

 

TLDR, get the pro retina, preferably the model with a discrete GPU for extra performance.

i do very want the discrete graphics for the macbook, but idk if it justifies the 500 buck hike in price over the base 15 inch model. is iris pro any good for normal things on a macbook? and besides

[daniielrp]

6 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

just because its aluminum doesnt mean it is durable

True, but even the 10 year old plastic MacBooks still hold together just fine. I just don't understand how you can call the build quality "poor" - on what scale? What laptops have better build quality to justify the Apple one's being poor?

[alexhelvetica]

22 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

macbooks and lots of apple products feel solid and look solid but actually have pretty poor build quality and design choices but i would choose the pro over the air considering the air havent gotten an update in a while now

19 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

the hinge design puts all the stress on a small fragile piece of metal and many of them the power button is connected to the keyboard so if the keyboard fails you cant plug a usb one in and keep using it because it wont turn on

I think someone has been watching to much Louis Rossman and seeing only broken Macbooks. 

 

I understand that Macbooks are not 100% perfect, but they are much better than any cheaper laptop, especially HP with thier hinges that break when you look at them wrong since they are only conected to the fragile plastic bezel, the "Second Power Button" of my friends HP where if you touch the trackpad to hard the laptop turns off, Acer and their allround horrible build quality and ASUS and their motherboard issues.

 

I'd personally get a Profesional HP Elitebook/Probook/Zbook, Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad, maybe even the pro-consumer grade laptops like the Dell XPS or Lenovo Ideapad, but that is mostly because I'd want windows since I know windows and I like it.

 

[Hackentosher]

1 minute ago, terrytek said:

i think i'll wait for a while, till i can cough up 2 grand for a macbook pro, and by then i think the new ones might be out.

i do very want the discrete graphics for the macbook, but idk if it justifies the 500 buck hike in price over the base 15 inch model. is iris pro any good for normal things on a macbook? and besides

What do you need the GPU for? We all know gaming is completely inferior due to the lack of directx support.

[daniielrp]

3 minutes ago, Kobathor said:

Watch some of Louis Rossmann's videos on Macbooks. They look very pretty, but the actual design is very mediocre. Lots of parts break very quickly. The parts throttle like no other. They don't last too long.

Oh that guy who tried to teach Linus a lesson and completely failed in a video, i'll totally trust that guy...

[spartaman64]

1 minute ago, daniielrp said:

True, but even the 10 year old plastic MacBooks still hold together just fine. I just don't understand how you can call the build quality "poor" - on what scale? What laptops have better build quality to justify the Apple one's being poor?

for one the hinges put all the stress on a flimsy piece of metal which is what you would expect with 300 dollars laptops not one that is thousands of dollars and the power button being connected to the keyboard

[spartaman64]

1 minute ago, Comic_Sans_MS said:

I think someone has been watching to much Louis Rossman. 

 

I understand that Macbooks are not 100% perfect, but they are much better than any cheaper laptop, especially HP with thier hinges that break when you look at them wrong since they are only conected to the fragile plastic bezel, the "Second Power Button" of my friends HP where if you touch the trackpad top hard the laptop turns off, Acer and their allround horrible build quality and ASUS and their motherboard issues.

 

I'd personally get a Profesional HP Elitebook/Probook/Zbook, Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad, maybe even the pro-consumer grade laptops like the Dell XPS or Lenovo Ideapad, but that is mostly because I'd want windows since I know windows and I like it.

 

no amount is too much  and yes they are better than cheap laptops but is that the category you want your thousand dollar laptop to compete in

[spartaman64]

4 minutes ago, daniielrp said:

Oh that guy who tried to teach Linus a lesson and completely failed in a video, i'll totally trust that guy...

um he didnt fail that was the correct way to fix a gpu and linus's method doesnt fix the gpu because the gpu is going to stop working after like 30 days. they just got distracted talking with each other and the chip melted because of too much heat and neither of them were watching carefully

[terrytek]

2 minutes ago, daniielrp said:

True, but even the 10 year old plastic MacBooks still hold together just fine. I just don't understand how you can call the build quality "poor" - on what scale? What laptops have better build quality to justify the Apple one's being poor?

really i don't see one, there are probably many with the same quality as apple, but i don't know any that have it better than apple. i just want something better than this piece of shit hp i have right now that throttles like crazy, and the fan won't shut up.

 

2 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

What do you need the GPU for? We all know gaming is completely inferior due to the lack of directx support.

well, i do plan on dual booting windows/mac on this laptop, since it's so easy to dual boot windows and mac, as compared to the other way around, so i might do some gaming on the windows side, so a gpu would be nice, though not totally required.

 

3 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

for one the hinges put all the stress on a flimsy piece of metal which is what you would expect with 300 dollars laptops not one that is thousands of dollars and the power button being connected to the keyboard

but hey at least its a nice balanced hinge that i can open the laptop with one hand. with my hp, you always have to hold it weird to get it open.

[spartaman64]

3 minutes ago, terrytek said:

really i don't see one, there are probably many with the same quality as apple, but i don't know any that have it better than apple. i just want something better than this piece of shit hp i have right now that throttles like crazy, and the fan won't shut up.

 

well, i do plan on dual booting windows/mac on this laptop, since it's so easy to dual boot windows and mac, as compared to the other way around, so i might do some gaming on the windows side, so a gpu would be nice, though not totally required.

 

but hey at least its a nice balanced hinge that i can open the laptop with one hand. with my hp, you always have to hold it weird to get it open.

you can do that with a more durable hinge like for example the professional line of lenovo laptops. if you really want something durable those are the laptops you should be looking at

[daniielrp]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

um he didnt fail that was the correct way to fix a gpu and linus's method doesnt fix the gpu because the gpu is going to stop working after like 30 days. they just got distracted talking with each other and the chip melted because of too much heat and neither of them were watching carefully

Pretty sure Linus's method worked, and that other guy's didn't. That's pretty black and white.

[Hackentosher]

3 minutes ago, terrytek said:

well, i do plan on dual booting windows/mac on this laptop, since it's so easy to dual boot windows and mac, as compared to the other way around, so i might do some gaming on the windows side, so a gpu would be nice, though not totally required.

I'd be worried about throttling, Apple doesn't like to invest in cooling solutions.

[alexhelvetica]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

no amount is too much  and yes they are better than cheap laptops but is that the category you want your thousand dollar laptop to compete in

Okay I like Rossman's videos, I find them interesting.

But you are only getting one side of the story with Rossman. You are only seeing what is wrong with macbooks and the occasionally a iPhone or iMac. You don't see what is wrong with his belovered Lenovo or any other brand brand of laptop. It is hard to watch his videos and get a non-biased opinion on Apple or Lenovo, but it makes sence. He uses and Thinkpad and a Motorolla Phone and repairs macbooks.

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, daniielrp said:

Pretty sure Linus's method worked, and that other guy's didn't. That's pretty black and white.

no it doesnt fix the gpu and his method would have worked if they didnt get distracted and the chip melted