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Wacky Giraffe

Hey guys,

 

Putting together my parts list for my first build.

So far it looks like this:

  1. CPU: i5 6600K
  2. Cooler: Hyper 212 evo
  3. Mobo: Asus Z170 pro gaming
  4. PSU: Seasonic M12-II 520W bronze+
  5. RAM: 2x 8GB HyperX Fury
  6. Case: NZXT S340 red/black

I'm planning to get one of the "cheaper" custom 1070's, current options on amazon (germany) are the MSI aero (€482) and another one from Zotac (€485).

I'd like to get some advice if I should go with the blower, or with the open cooling design?
My case cooling will just be the stock config that comes with it (1 fan front, 1 fan rear).

 

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In theory, the open-cooler would be better, but I would wait for benchmarks, if you can.

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Wait

For

RX480

Benchmarks

To 

Appear

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any idea when benchmarks will start coming out? patience isn't my strong suit ;)

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1 minute ago, Wacky Giraffe said:

benchmarks will start coming out

Most likely within 1-2 months. I know waiting is hard, but I managed to hold on to my gpu for 7 years. The only reason I am replacing it now is because it is literally unable to play the division (12fps) at 720p.

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2 minutes ago, y_unit265 said:

Most likely within 1-2 months. I know waiting is hard, but I managed to hold on to my gpu for 7 years. The only reason I am replacing it now is because it is literally unable to play the division (12fps) at 720p.

 

Congratulations we have a new record for the most time waited. eh that's not true im 14 and im still waiting for my dad to come back

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Sigh... this is not a low budget rig. No matter how much of a dreamer you are, one cannot simply truly belive that a 200$ PGU is going to be anywhere near as good as a 380$ card.

 

OP, there's no need to wait for RX 480 benchmarks. If you were tight on the budget, sure, that would be your card.. But if you have the money for a 1070, then go for that instead.

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4 minutes ago, y_unit265 said:

Most likely within 1-2 months. I know waiting is hard, but I managed to hold on to my gpu for 7 years. The only reason I am replacing it now is because it is literally unable to play the division (12fps) at 720p.

That's a bit long.. I start my first job in August and I really want to enjoy my new system during my last long summer holiday :P

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3 hours ago, Wacky Giraffe said:

Hey guys,

 

Putting together my parts list for my first build.

So far it looks like this:

  1. CPU: i5 6600K
  2. Cooler: Hyper 212 evo
  3. Mobo: Asus Z170 pro gaming
  4. PSU: Seasonic M12-II 520W bronze+
  5. RAM: 2x 8GB HyperX Fury
  6. Case: NZXT S340 red/black

I'm planning to get one of the "cheaper" custom 1070's, current options on amazon (germany) are the MSI aero (€482) and another one from Zotac (€485).

I'd like to get some advice if I should go with the blower, or with the open cooling design?
My case cooling will just be the stock config that comes with it (1 fan front, 1 fan rear).

 

I'd suggest changing the 212 EVO to a Cryorig H7.  I've heard good things about it like that it's easier to install, less likely to block RAM slots, etc.  I'd think that it cools at least as well as a 212 EVO.  You could check reviews on Newegg.  That's the best place I know of to get a H7.  I don't have one myself but I do have a Cryorig C7 that I'm very happy with so if the H7 is as good it's worth getting instead of a 212 EVO.  At some point I'm planning to get an H7 for use in a future build regardless of if I'd OC the CPU just to try out a H7 to get lower CPU temps.  

 

Also you should get 2 additional case fans (1 more each for intake and exhaust) to improve cooling in your case.

 

Have fun building your computer.  ?

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Will you do water cooling for it?

AIO water cooling?

 

If you want to ever remove stock cooler and do something custom with it, you should go for EVGA since it doesn't void warranty. Meanwhile, all other brands won't accept RMA or warranty if you unscrewed something on GPU.

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3 hours ago, y_unit265 said:

Wait

For

Benchmarks

To

Appear

;) 

 

3 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Wait

For

RX480

Benchmarks

To 

Appear

If he has money for the GTX 1070 then why spend less on a lesser card? I'm waiting for the RX 480 as well but if I can get more performance out the 1070 then I'm going for that. No reason to wait for the 480.

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3 hours ago, byalexandr said:

 

If he has money for the GTX 1070 then why spend less on a lesser card? I'm waiting for the RX 480 as well but if I can get more performance out the 1070 then I'm going for that. No reason to wait for the 480.

What if it performs as good as a 1070 for a lot less?

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22 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What if it performs as good as a 1070 for a lot less?

And what if the moon is made of cheese? No, the RX 480 will not compete with the 1070. AMD claims 980 level performance, which you know will be AotS or another AMD biased source. The 1070 trades blows with an overclocked 980ti.

 

OP, the MSI Gaming X looks to be an awesome example if red won't fight with the other components. .

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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1 minute ago, App4that said:

And what if the moon is made of cheese? No, the RX 480 will not compete with the 1070. The AMD claims 980, which you know will be AotS or another AMD biased source. The 1070 trades blows with an overclocked 980ti.

 

OP, the MSI Gaming X looks to be an awesome example if red won't fight with the other components. .

Nah the 1070 doesn't touch an OCed 980ti

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Nah the 1070 doesn't touch an OCed 980ti

Triggered.

 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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38 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What if it performs as good as a 1070 for a lot less?

If it's rumored to perform like a 980 or Fury then there is no way in hell it's performing like a Titan X.

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17 minutes ago, App4that said:

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Me triggered? I mean it is hard to beat facts but if you just want to lie that is fine.

http://imgur.com/a/QgWal

 

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3 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Me triggered? I mean it is hard to beat facts but if you just want to lie that is fine.

http://imgur.com/a/QgWal

 

Firestrike means nothing in relation to performance in games. It's a tool for helping you test overclocks and Epeen measuring, nothing more. I stopped caring what Firestrike had to say when my 390 crossfire beat my 980ti but my 980ti killed the crossfire in every game.

 

Watch the video or any other video that uses games, not synthetics. The 1070 trades blows with a 980ti. Only thing the 980ti has on the 1070 is rendering performance, which the 980ti beats a 1080 at.

 

before you say it.

 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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12 hours ago, App4that said:

Firestrike means nothing in relation to performance in games. It's a tool for helping you test overclocks and Epeen measuring, nothing more. I stopped caring what Firestrike had to say when my 390 crossfire beat my 980ti but my 980ti killed the crossfire in every game.

 

Watch the video or any other video that uses games, not synthetics. The 1070 trades blows with a 980ti. Only thing the 980ti has on the 1070 is rendering performance, which the 980ti beats a 1080 at.

 

before you say it.

 

Alright then what is firestrike for exactly? Oh yeah to compare the performance of cards because it is called a benchmark!!! Only thing 980ti has on 1070 is rendering performance. What? Isn't that the whole point and job of the card render frames of a video game. So you just said it was more powerful. Whatever you don't know what you are talking about keep blabbing on.

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5 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Alright then what is firestrike for exactly? Oh yeah to compare the performance of cards because it is called a benchmark!!! Only thing 980ti has on 1070 is rendering performance. What? Isn't that the whole point and job of the card render frames of a video game. So you just said it was more powerful. Whatever you don't know what you are talking about keep blabbing on.

All these flavors and you chose salty...

 

Video rendering, watch the video I linked to you. If a synthetic benchmark could tell us everything we need to know about a cards performance, why do we need benchmarks on different games? It's because synthetic benchmarks are not representative of anything other than themselves. You have to look over a range of games to see a cards performance, and even then games like Quantum Break throw a wrench in the works.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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5 minutes ago, App4that said:

All these flavors and you chose salty...

 

Video rendering, watch the video I linked to you. If a synthetic benchmark could tell us everything we need to know about a cards performance, why do we need benchmarks on different games? It's because synthetic benchmarks are not representative of anything other than themselves. You have to look over a range of games to see a cards performance, and even then games like Quantum Break throw a wrench in the works.

Why I say using firestrike is better is it makes a baseline. It is all rendered on whatever they are using I think DX12 now. Which takes out guess work. It is also very optimized for many cards on green team and red team as most games favor one side or the other. They might have terrible optimization, hair works, and so on. In the video he is also comparing two refrence cards. I was comparing two non refrence cards which is more likely to happen as refrence cards suck with cooling so you can't overclock them as far. In the end a overclocked 980ti will beat a 1070 and 1080 in firestrike ultra, extreme, and just fire strike. When it comes to real world gaming if the game is actually optimized then we would see similar results. But we can see a trend Nvidia wants to take by slapping as much Vram on the cards as they can so devs can be lazier on memory management.

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Why I say using firestrike is better is it makes a baseline. It is all rendered on whatever they are using I think DX12 now. Which takes out guess work. It is also very optimized for many cards on green team and red team as most games favor one side or the other. They might have terrible optimization, hair works, and so on. In the video he is also comparing two refrence cards. I was comparing two non refrence cards which is more likely to happen as refrence cards suck with cooling so you can't overclock them as far. In the end a overclocked 980ti will beat a 1070 and 1080 in firestrike ultra, extreme, and just fire strike. When it comes to real world gaming if the game is actually optimized then we would see similar results. But we can see a trend Nvidia wants to take by slapping as much Vram on the cards as they can so devs can be lazier on memory management.

My analogy would be using a race track as the baseline performance of a car. They do just that, don't they? But road suck, don't they? I used to make money off people that thought performance on a smooth race track meant performance on a rough road.

 

AMD started the whole "slap as much VRAM on a card as possible" trend, can't blame Nvidia for this one.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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