AMD?

[Simon771]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Tsao said:

They're saying two cards running at half power=one 1080, essentially saying that that setup running at full power is twice the performance of a 1080 for half the price. That doesn't seem right

Exactly ... if 2 card with 50% load can deliver that performance, why not just use one of those cards at 100% and claim that it's better than GTX 1080, for just 250$?

Well maybe because something is fishy here.

[LiquidPanic]

I also find it hilarious that because the NVIDIA driver wasn't working proper, causing the snow to not be rendered correctly, everyone assumes that the GTX 1080 was rendering an easier scene. Does it not come to mind that maybe the reason the RX 480s could have even been that close, is because the driver problems were causing some serious performance degradation in AotS for the 1080?

[Mr. Tsao]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

Nope that OC thing is with all of the models, it is hard locked to 1.25v and you get little to no improment per MHz OC, the 980ti has higher FPS/MHz OC than the 1080. Oh I can call them fanboys, have you not seen the rage jayztwocents made about the 480 and 1080 and a lot of other youtubers has basically done the same.

Asus has already announced that their card (which has a custom pcb btw) has a custom voltage bios

[LiquidPanic]

2 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

What's your original account? 

What? ._.

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, LiquidPanic said:

I also find it hilarious that because the NVIDIA driver wasn't working proper, causing the snow to not be rendered correctly, everyone assumes that the GTX 1080 was rendering an easier scene. Does it not come to mind that maybe the reason the RX 480s could have even been that close, is because the driver problems were causing some serious performance degradation in AotS for the 1080?

That is because Nvidia has shit support for DX12 and async compute and guess what they will not get good support this gen.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, Mr. Tsao said:

Asus has already announced that their card (which has a custom pcb btw) has a custom voltage bios

 

Strix 1080? That card also has a volt lock at 1.25v. 

 

Only card I know right now that can go above 1.25v without crashing is the HOF 1080. 

[Prysin]

1 minute ago, Mr. Tsao said:

They're saying two cards running at half power=one 1080, essentially saying that that setup running at full power is twice the performance of a 1080 for half the price. That doesn't seem right

You are reading this benchmark wrong.

GPU Utilization = CPU or GPU bottleneck.

 

0% Utilization = CPU bottleneck

100% Utilization = GPU bottleneck

 

 

If the game has 51% utilization at Normal Batches, that means that the game is CPU dependent and that the 5960X is holding it back. WHICH IS A INTEL CPU.

The most likely reason for this low GPU utilization is because AMDs drivers are poorly optimized for the RX 480.

 

If you look at Medium and Heavy batches the GPU Utilization is above 90%, which means the game is nearly totally GPU dependent. As we would expect from 2x 390X at 1440p.

 

A Batch = Draw calls from CPU + Compute Work for GPU.

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Tsao said:

Asus has already announced that their card (which has a custom pcb btw) has a custom voltage bios

LOL Asus  If you know Asus cards well you would know why I am laughing.

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, LiquidPanic said:

I also find it hilarious that because the NVIDIA driver wasn't working proper, causing the snow to not be rendered correctly, everyone assumes that the GTX 1080 was rendering an easier scene. Does it not come to mind that maybe the reason the RX 480s could have even been that close, is because the driver problems were causing some serious performance degradation in AotS for the 1080?

 OXIDE and AMD has stated that with optimized drivers, the 1080 would most likely be right below 1% slower (meaning, its a tie/who gives a fuck)

[Mr. Tsao]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

LOL Asus  If you know Asus cards well you would know why I am laughing.

I guess I misunderstood, my mistake

[Prysin]

8 minutes ago, LiquidPanic said:

Actually read my reasoning before you say anything, you clearly don't understand what I was talking about.

i have a feeling you dont understand what you were talking about either

[HKZeroFive]

3 minutes ago, LiquidPanic said:

I also find it hilarious that because the NVIDIA driver wasn't working proper, causing the snow to not be rendered correctly, everyone assumes that the GTX 1080 was rendering an easier scene. Does it not come to mind that maybe the reason the RX 480s could have even been that close, is because the driver problems were causing some serious performance degradation in AotS for the 1080?

Developers for the game say otherwise:

 

[Mr. Tsao]

I'm sorry this turned into a fight, I just wanted to see opinions, not argue. Can we all just agree to wait for third-party reviews to come out and end this?

[Prysin]

9 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Oh and another thing from that event video

 

 

So if GPU utilisation is at 51% when at crossfire ... why didn't they just use single RX 480 instead and it would have same performance.

Or on another note ... why only 51% utilization? Why it's not using 100% of the GPU and delivering more FPS?

Are they dumb and using Vsync maybe?

However I look at that video, everything seems just wird.

Because AMD is using misleading marketing in that slide.

 

If you look at the bencmark, you realize its ONLY in Normal Batches (less workload) that the AMD card is CPU bottlenecked. That means that even if AMD optimized their drivers so it was 100%, they would gain max 5-7 FPS in THAT SPECIFIC SEGMENT. However 5-7 FPS is no more then a couple of % extra in the big picture (Final FPS numbers are decided as a average between Normal, Medium and Heavy batches).

 

There is not much performance for AMD to squeeze out at Normal Batches. Thus they are just blowing smoke up your ass if you think the 51% number matters.

[Prysin]

9 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Strix 1080? That card also has a volt lock at 1.25v. 

 

Only card I know right now that can go above 1.25v without crashing is the HOF 1080. 

wasnt it the drivers that fucked up at 1.25v+? not the hardware?

[Mr. Tsao]

3 minutes ago, Prysin said:

wasnt it the drivers that fucked up at 1.25v+? not the hardware?

It doesn't matter, let's just stop m8. It's time for this thread to die

[Phoenix721]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Tsao said:

It doesn't matter, let's just stop m8. It's time for this thread to die

You didn't think that THIS would happen?

[Mr. Tsao]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix721 said:

You didn't think that THIS would happen?

I knew it was a possibility, but I had a little too much faith in humanity tonight

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

wasnt it the drivers that fucked up at 1.25v+? not the hardware?

 

Not sure what is the reason. But if the HOF can go over 1.25v without a problem. I don't think the drivers are the problem. 

 

Might been something to to with binning of the chips. Not a problem for your "average" consumer buying into the "extreme overclocking" marketing bs. 

[Phoenix721]

1 minute ago, Mr. Tsao said:

I knew it was a possibility, but I had a little too much faith in humanity tonight

You can't have faith in humanity when you create a topic attacking AMD without any evidence to back it up.

[Mr. Tsao]

1 minute ago, Phoenix721 said:

You can't have faith in humanity when you create a topic attacking AMD without any evidence to back it up.

I didn't attack AMD, I just asked what people's opinions where on whether they were lying or not. If you think otherwise, please keep it to yourself, I would like this to end now.

[Simon771]

When 3d mark and other benchamrks come for RX 480, we will be able to say more about that performance, but for now I have my personal opinion, that this RX 480 card won't be such a huge deal as advertised.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Tsao said:

I knew it was a possibility, but I had a little too much faith in humanity tonight

 

You create a topic voicing your opinion. You label someone else as a fanboy so quickly in your thread. And now when you realise not everyone shares the same opinion as you, you lost faith in humanity and want to end things here. 

 

I suggest instead of trying to get everyone to stop. Just abandon it. Mods will lock it up if things get out of hand. 

[W-L]

Well, don't say I didn't give this a fair chance but all wells ends wells.

 

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