970 --> 980 Ti / 1080?

[DarthRoar]

Heya folks.

So I am making a GPU upgrade to my system very soon (within next few weeks or so). I currently run an FX-8320 with a GTX 970 which does me fairly well, but due to my triple 1080p monitor setup and my love of vsync (hate tearing in beautiful games) it doesn't quite cut the 60fps on a lot of games. 

 

I will upgrade to either the GTX 980 Ti that I'd buy used for about £420 (625 USD, yes its expensive for us Europeans), or a GTX 1080 for about £580 (850 USD) if I can round up the money.

 

However, theres no way in hell I'm buying a FE 1080 so I was wondering if anyone knew how long the AIB models will take to come into stock (they're all pre-order). Furthermore, do y'all think its worth all that extra monies for a 1080 on a triple-1080p, or would a 980 Ti do fine?

 

I know its an atrocious time to upgrade my GPU but I want to reward myself after my exam season ending soon.

 

Thanks

 

 

[awesomeness10120]

The 980 Ti is more bang for buck, and the 1080 has more features and a little more performance but for a higher price.

[Enderman]

0-2 weeks

maybe more for europe

some stores already are selling the aftermarket cards

[Moonzy]

any plans to upgrade your cpu?

it might bottleneck these cards in some games

[DarthRoar]

4 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

any plans to upgrade your cpu?

it might bottleneck these cards in some games

I was planning an i5 4690k, when I innocently believed that the 1080 wouldn't cost more in Europe.

[Matias_Chambers]

Upgrade your CPU first to something like an i5 6600/K. You will have to get a new motherboard and RAM to do this.

[i_build_nanosuits]

15 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

Heya folks.

So I am making a GPU upgrade to my system very soon (within next few weeks or so). I currently run an FX-8320 with a GTX 970 which does me fairly well

 

well..there you go...upgrade CPU first cause the FX is already limiting your GTX 970 in games, you just don't notice it or realize this.

[Matias_Chambers]

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

well..there you go...upgrade CPU first cause the FX is already limiting your GTX 970 in games, you just don't notice it or realize this.

Alone upgrading your CPU will give you a 20+ fps boost in many games.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

I was planning an i5 4690k, when I innocently believed that the 1080 wouldn't cost more in Europe.

imo your system needs a cpu upgrade more than a gpu upgrade

though this depends on the games you play

 

maybe a balance? 1070 + i5 6600k (or 4690k if you wanna re-use DDR3)

or a gtx 980Ti, you can decide when the 1070 benchmarks are available (are they? i havent been following lately)

 

atm the main reason to go for pascal (1080) is for

1) dat performance

2) superb VR support

 

reason to go for 980Ti would be due to the price drop, thus having a good price to performance ratio

[DarthRoar]

 

1 minute ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Alone upgrading your CPU will give you a 20+ fps boost in many games.

 

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

well..there you go...upgrade CPU first cause the FX is already limiting your GTX 970 in games, you just don't notice it or realize this.

 

5 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Upgrade your CPU first to something like an i5 6600/K. You will have to get a new motherboard and RAM to do this.

This, even though it rarely hits over 40% in the games I play?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Moonzy said:

reason to go for 980Ti would be due to the price drop, thus having a good price to performance ratio

especially with used cards...a good overclocked GTX 980ti like mine for example perform about the same as a stock GTX 1080 and i would assume on par or very similar to an overclocked GTX 1070.

GTX 1070 will still be an expensive card to purchase new, and used 980ti matching it's performance at lower cost on used market.

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

 

 

 

This, even though it rarely hits over 40% in the games I play?

overall CPU load does not mean anything...the CPU is simply too slow to process the required instructions fast enough to properly feed the GPU in games...there are MANY games in which your CPU is plenty, but there are also MANY games for which it's not. Depends what type of games you play most.

 

Gaming is all about speed...and in 9 games out of 10 you can only be as fast as your fastest CPU core. And AMD's fastest CPU core is really not that fast.

[Matias_Chambers]

6 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

 

 

 

This, even though it rarely hits over 40% in the games I play?

It will give you much better fps trust me. 

 

Edited May 28, 2016 by Matias_Chambers

[chrisMLGpro720noscope]

3 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

 

 

 

This, even though it rarely hits over 40% in the games I play?

just buy a new cpu, do it for urself

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Matias_Chambers said:

I will give you much better fps trust me. 

 

i had the FX-8320 which i overclocked to 4.6ghz and i had it paired with a GTX 780 gaming at 1080p back in 2014 and when i upgraded my CPU the GTX 780 suddenly felt A LOT stronger in many games (not all games...but MANY games)

[RxL]

12 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

I was planning an i5 4690k, when I innocently believed that the 1080 wouldn't cost more in Europe.

im from the uk and the 1080 is priced around £620 which in turn equals 815 Euros i didn't even pay £500 for my 980ti brand new

[PlayStation 2]

8 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Alone upgrading your CPU will give you a 20+ fps boost in many games.

I'd love to know said games.

I don't like when people make baseless and blanketed claims because it means nothing. Some games will benefit heavily from an i5, and some will not find a benefit at all.

[Matias_Chambers]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

I'd love to know said games.

I don't like when people make baseless and blanketed claims because it means nothing. Some games will benefit heavily from an i5, and some will not find a benefit at all.

 

[Moonzy]

10 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

This, even though it rarely hits over 40% in the games I play?

what games do you play? is it 40% overall cpu usage? or single core?

some games are coded poorly too, so they wont utilise your cpu properly (online mmos especially)

[DarthRoar]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

what games do you play? is it 40% overall cpu usage? or single core?

some games are coded poorly too, so they wont utilise your cpu properly (online mmos especially)

Many flightsims like DCS World or Warthunder, as well as stuff like Skyrim and The Witcher etc, but I checked just now and overall CPU hovers around 20-35%.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, DarthRoar said:

Many flightsims like DCS World or Warthunder, as well as stuff like Skyrim and The Witcher etc, but I checked just now and overall CPU hovers around 20-35%.

how bout single core usage? some games dont utilize all cores equally (most of them up to 4 cores, and you have 8 cores)

 

anyway, i would still suggest you upgrade your cpu and gpu for a more balanced system, in case you play a game that requires more cpu horsepower (like GTA V)

[DarthRoar]

6 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

how bout single core usage? some games dont utilize all cores equally (most of them up to 4 cores, and you have 8 cores)

 

anyway, i would still suggest you upgrade your cpu and gpu for a more balanced system, in case you play a game that requires more cpu horsepower (like GTA V)

Yeah I checked all the cores, #1 averages a 40-60% whiles the others flick around a 30%, but I will be upgrading CPU when I can.

[i_build_nanosuits]

6 minutes ago, DarthRoar said:

Yeah I checked all the cores, #1 averages a 40-60% whiles the others flick around a 30%, but I will be upgrading CPU when I can.

if you want to know if your CPU is fast enough...it's not the CPU metrics that you have to look at, but the GPU load.

If your GPU is not getting 95%+ load consistently in the games you play with NO FRAMECAPS or VSYNC enabled...then something is holding back your card from reaching it's peak performance...most likely a CPU limitation.

 

Monitor GPU load with msi afterburner or GPU-Z while gaming with no framecaps...you'll see when and where your CPU is limiting you.

[DarthRoar]

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

if you want to know if your CPU is fast enough...it's not the CPU metrics that you have to look at, but the GPU load.

If your GPU is not getting 95%+ load consistently in the games you play with NO FRAMECAPS or VSYNC enabled...then something is holding back your card from reaching it's peak performance...most likely a CPU limitation.

 

Monitor GPU load with msi afterburner or GPU-Z while gaming with no framecaps...you'll see when and where your CPU is limiting you.

I have afterburner up on a monitor and the GPU usage is between 90 and 120% (overclock) during gaming so I'm pretty sure its the GPU thats holding the system back as my logic goes. CPU cores however are all below 50% (except #1 at like 60%).

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, DarthRoar said:

I have afterburner up on a monitor and the GPU usage is between 90 and 120% (overclock) during gaming so I'm pretty sure its the GPU thats holding the system back as my logic goes. CPU cores however are all below 50% (except #1 at like 60%).

it can't go above 99% for GPU load.

again, CPU load won't mean anything...it's all about speed...how fast can you process THIS, and then THIS, and then THIS...etc....gaming is logical and things happens one AFTER the other...so even if the CPU could process MORE at once...it does not mean it's fast enough to process instructions coming in one after the other...it's hard to explain but it is what it is i experienced this first hand.